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    Default Newt Gingrich - I'm not a Citizen of the World

    Last week NBC news reported that during a speech, Newt Gingrich, responding to President Obama's claim that he IS a citizen of the world, professed that he is NOT a citizen of the world. I say to you, "Is this not the most narrow-minded view that anyone on this planet can have? Newt Gingrich is someone who should be taken seriously? I think not. If this statement doesn't expose Gingrich for what he really is, I don't know what else can. Gingrich is pathetic.

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    Ronald Reagan, addressing U.N. on June 19, 1982:
    I speak today as both a citizen of the United States and of the world. … My people have sent me here today to speak for them as citizens of the world, which they truly are, for we Americans are drawn from every nationality represented in this chamber today.

    Newt Gingrich addressing GOP on June 8, 2009:
    Let me be clear. I am not a citizen of the world! I think the entire concept is intellectual nonsense and stunningly dangerous.

    As the leadership vacuum of the republicans continues, Newt, one of the most recognizable faces duking it out for leader of the faith, is the one most in need of a speechwriter who understands Google, youtube and the internet. This is one of a several fairly significant gaffes. You know Obama's writers used Regan's language on purpose... and it worked beautifully to illustrate the intellectual bankruptcy of the current republican leadership. It's actually kind of funny to watch Newt repeatedly hoist himself on his own petard.

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    no, Newt is just a PhD in 20th century european history, who wrote a "contract with america" that had language regarding orphaned children and other passages that was almost word-for-word with Goebels.

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    If this statement doesn't expose Gingrich for what he really is,
    An alien from outer space? Might explain why he looks so funny.

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    I hate that guy.

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    I am not a fan of Newt Gingrich. He is a neocon. No need to say more about him.

    CITIZEN (Merriam-Webster online dictionary definition)
    1: an inhabitant of a city or town ; especially : one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman
    2 a: a member of a state b: a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it
    3: a civilian as distinguished from a specialized servant of the state

    Much of this argument has to do with semantics. Sure, everyone is a citizen of the world in the very vague rhetorical and colloquiel definition Obama chose. I suppose its useful to distinguish us from space aliens. Given concerns about Obama's birth held by some, perhaps the citizen of the world definition works especially well for him. However, Gingrich used a more correct dictionary definition. I voted for a US presidential candidate not the president of the UN so I hope that President Obama doesn't enroll us in some international tax scheme proposal for taxation without representation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    I am not a fan of Newt Gingrich. He is a neocon. No need to say more about him.

    CITIZEN (Merriam-Webster online dictionary definition)
    1: an inhabitant of a city or town ; especially : one entitled to the rights and privileges of a freeman
    2 a: a member of a state b: a native or naturalized person who owes allegiance to a government and is entitled to protection from it
    3: a civilian as distinguished from a specialized servant of the state

    Much of this argument has to do with semantics. Sure, everyone is a citizen of the world in the very vague rhetorical and colloquiel definition Obama chose. I suppose its useful to distinguish us from space aliens. Given concerns about Obama's birth held by some, perhaps the citizen of the world definition works especially well for him. However, Gingrich used a more correct dictionary definition. I voted for a US presidential candidate not the president of the UN so I hope that President Obama doesn't enroll us in some international tax scheme proposal for taxation without representation.
    WTF??? I think you just *made* this a discussion on semantics.

    If you're so concerned about Taxation Without Representation, start here:

    http://www.dcvote.org/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettopalmetto View Post
    WTF??? I think you just *made* this a discussion on semantics.

    If you're so concerned about Taxation Without Representation, start here:

    http://www.dcvote.org/
    ghetopatmetto, I am with you 100% about taxation without representation. DC residents should be allowed to vote as residents of Virginia which donated DC to the Federal government. I don't know how they could have given away the voting rights of DC citizens though.

    I realize that for some people assigning meaning to words takes the fun and versatility out of them. Politicians hate such limitations too. Sorry. Yo! As one citizen of this galaxy to another, here is an apropo and inspirational quote.-


    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less." "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things." "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all.""
    ~ Lewis Carroll (1832-1898)
    English mathematician & author of "Adventures of Alice in Wonderland"
    from Through the Looking Glass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    ghetopatmetto, I am with you 100% about taxation without representation. DC residents should be allowed to vote as residents of Virginia which donated DC to the Federal government. I don't know how they could have given away the voting rights of DC citizens though.
    Congress returned that part of the District of Columbia ceded by Fairfax County back to Virginia in 1846. It is now known as Arlington County. The remainder of the District is on land that was ceded by the State of Maryland.

    DC residents never had representation in the Congress. Denizens of the District are NOT residents of Virginia, just as they are NOT residents of Maryland, New Mexico, Alaska, New Hampshire, or any other state. They deserve their own voice in Congress, especially given the unique legal and fiscal limitations that Congress imposes upon them.

    I digress.

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    Aargh. You beat me back to the computer about Maryland. I stand corrected. Revise that to " DC residents should be allowed to vote as residents of MARYLAND which donated DC to the Federal government. "

    With appropriate amendments to the US constitution, if necessary, and agreements with Maryland, the world citizens of Washington DC could and should be voting for Reps, Senators, and Presidents like the rest of us. Residents of Indian Reservations vote in elections in their states although reservations have special federal ties. DC residents, not already residents of states, should be able to do the same. If, like armed service personel, DC residents have a residence in another state, they should be allowed to vote in those states like armed service personel. I would be suprised if they can't already do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oladub View Post
    Aargh. You beat me back to the computer about Maryland. I stand corrected. Revise that to " DC residents should be allowed to vote as residents of MARYLAND which donated DC to the Federal government. "

    With appropriate amendments to the US constitution, if necessary, and agreements with Maryland, the world citizens of Washington DC could and should be voting for Reps, Senators, and Presidents like the rest of us. Residents of Indian Reservations vote in elections in their states although reservations have special federal ties. DC residents, not already residents of states, should be able to do the same. If, like armed service personel, DC residents have a residence in another state, they should be allowed to vote in those states like armed service personel. I would be suprised if they can't already do that.
    Why Maryland? Why not Michigan? Why not Florida? Why not Kansas?

    Think about what you're writing. How can you be a resident of Washington, DC and have residency in another state at the same time?

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    Why does anyone care what he says? He is yesterday's news.

    Here is a guy who served his wife divorce papers while she lay near death from cancer in a hospital bed, then claimed the moral high ground criticizing Bill Clinton for his stupid affair with Monica Lewinski.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobl View Post
    Why does anyone care what he says? He is yesterday's news.

    Here is a guy who served his wife divorce papers while she lay near death from cancer in a hospital bed, then claimed the moral high ground criticizing Bill Clinton for his stupid affair with Monica Lewinski.
    Oh boy oh boy! I can't wait to get my hands on "Five Principles for a Successful Life". I wonder what the chapter on dating and marriage has to say.

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    Eh..semantics...what he is driving at, or against, is thinking in terms of global priorities over American priorities (or, at the expense of them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbatson View Post
    Eh..semantics...what he is driving at, or against, is thinking in terms of global priorities over American priorities (or, at the expense of them).
    And you speak as if somehow, those priorities aren't aligned or influenced by each other.

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    Markets are markets and know no national boundaries (witness oil). These global priorities are political, and given that most countries are socialistic, so to are these priorities.

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    can't have it both ways...controlling the resources of poor countries or sending monies to allies without regulations..and not be part of the world...with cc's love of China and free market economies how could you not be citizen of a bigger picture.. my personal belief..not that it matters much ..is if a child dies in Africa we all should mourn the loss. We talk so much about individualism, but we are connected to a larger misssion and as Milton so appropriately put it "no man is an island"...or should I say no person is an island...some of us learned in rehabilitation that it is not independence that should be the goal of life...but intradependence..unless you like that island concept

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbatson View Post
    Markets are markets and know no national boundaries (witness oil). These global priorities are political, and given that most countries are socialistic, so to are these priorities.
    Do you have a point or do you just string words together, hoping they make sense?
    Last edited by jams; June-16-09 at 09:18 PM.

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    Does anyone have a link to the full video or text of this speech?
    All I can find online are 3 second videos that leave the entire clip without context.
    This has to be one of my biggest pet peeves with internet based news media (and media in general). It almost always means that something is being intentionally left out in order to distort the message.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ghettopalmetto View Post
    Why Maryland? Why not Michigan? Why not Florida? Why not Kansas?

    Think about what you're writing. How can you be a resident of Washington, DC and have residency in another state at the same time?
    DC was carved out of Maryland rather than Michigan, Florida, or Kansas.

    Senator Stabenow, by way of example, has a residence in Michigan. Judge Sotomayer has a Greenwich Village pad into which she has sunk the bulk of her wealth. Both will also reside in Washington DC while carrying out their duties. Without having any count, I suspect that many Washington DC residents reside there temporarily attending to government or lobbying activities.

    I know you don't like semantic definitions but "legal residence", "domicile", and "home of record" are related legal terms. This is a good article on these terms although it needs to be updated for the citizens of this world who have business with intergalactic beings.

    http://definitions.uslegal.com/r/residence/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbatson View Post
    Markets are markets and know no national boundaries (witness oil). These global priorities are political, and given that most countries are socialistic, so to are these priorities.
    So far, the earlier discussion of deviance is not quite equivalent to the system of base rules exclusive of the lexicon. For any transformation which is sufficiently diversified in application to be of any interest, any associated supporting element is rather different from nondistinctness in the sense of distinctive feature theory. Summarizing, then, we assume that the appearance of parasitic gaps in domains relatively inaccessible to ordinary extraction delimits an important distinction in language use. This suggests that the speaker-hearer's linguistic intuition appears to correlate rather closely with an abstract underlying order. For one thing, a case of semigrammaticalness of a different sort is, apparently, determined by the strong generative capacity of the theory.

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    No love of China at all....love of our liberties that allow for free trade which paves the way for market forces to foster competition and prosperity...until Obama came along that is.

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    Snoot GinGrinch is the Claus Barbie of the fascist right.

    It doesn't get any more twisted and hypocritical that this bellowing blowhard.

    His "citizen" remark is just another sad attempt to draw some sort of distinction by pulling the "polar opposite" approach to Obama's "citizen of the world" speech.

    It reads more like a bi-polar approach to it.

    People, especially the neocronies, have short memories in addition to other short features.

    GinGrinch was drummed out of the speaker's chair due to his lying about his philandering, then married the shackup after a messy and well publicized divorce.

    He also has an activist lesbian half-sister who is a smarter politician than he is, and has call him out on his socially retarded rethugnican views, much in the same vein as Jesusfreak Alan Keyes was called out by his lesbian daughter.

    If this tired re-tread is all the gin-soaked right has to offer as speaking for their discredited party, then we have nothing to worry about going forward.

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    I don't love Gingrich either, but for different reasons. Mostly his surrender on the man made global warming hoax and myth, also on the costly forcing through of a horrible electronic medical record system that is not what it is cracked up to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccbatson View Post
    I don't love Gingrich either, but for different reasons. Mostly his surrender on the man made global warming hoax and myth, also on the costly forcing through of a horrible electronic medical record system that is not what it is cracked up to be.
    So you subscribe to an even more radical agenda than even the Snootster? I should have known.

    Next thing you know, the self-appointed thread sargeant will require a blood test to continue posting. Typical vampire bat.

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