Supreme Court's Verdict on ObamaCare will be a winner- Regardless the Outcome

[HistoryNotHisStory]

Ms. Pelosi never answered the reporter's question and apparently never asked it of herself or her colleagues prior to their passage of the monumental "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act". As the former Speaker blithely assured us prior to its passage, "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it."

Since the Democrat-controlled 111th Congress passed this Act without reading all of its 2,700 pages and without fully knowing what was in it and with complete disregard as to its constitutionality, it's now left to the US Supreme Court to show that this is indeed a serious question and to provide the answer.

Social Security is not in the US Constitution.
Medicare is not in the US Constitution.
The IRS is not in the US Constitution.
The Federal Reserve is not in the US Constitution.

However, I am forced to pay taxes on Medicare and Social Security, give my money to the IRS and have the Federal Reserve Board [[ a non-government body) regulate my money with the world's biggest ponzi scheme.

That's the argument.

If the Health Care Bill is unconstitutional then Social Security, Medicare, and the Federal Reserve unconstitutional.

[oladub]

If the Health Care Bill is unconstitutional then Social Security, Medicare, and the Federal Reserve unconstitutional.

The 16th Amendment was added to allow the federal income tax of which the IRS is an administrative expression. Otherwise I would agree with your take being consistent with the wording of the usually ignored 10th Amendment. However, "Constitutional", in the real world, is whatever the courts determine and will be backed up by guns if necessary. If the Court determines that corporations are people, then corporations are people until another court looks at the issue regardless of whether or not the Constitution says so.

Also, under contract law, the government should honor it's promises to pay off on Social Security to everyone who has paid into it. I would be more worried about phony cost of living reports reducing the buying power of SS recipients than having anyone dismantling SS.

[HistoryNotHisStory]

The 16th Amendment was added to allow the federal income tax of which the IRS is an administrative expression. Otherwise I would agree with your take being consistent with the wording of the usually ignored 10th Amendment. However, "Constitutional", in the real world, is whatever the courts determine and will be backed up by guns if necessary. If the Court determines that corporations are people, then corporations are people until another court looks at the issue regardless of whether or not the Constitution says so.

Also, under contract law, the government should honor it's promises to pay off on Social Security to everyone who has paid into it. I would be more worried about phony cost of living reports reducing the buying power of SS recipients than having anyone dismantling SS.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." - 16TH Amendment.

This allows a tax for Healthcare.

However during the 18th century income was for businesses and corporations.

The workers get wages and not income.

[jiminnm]

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." - 16TH Amendment.

This allows a tax for Healthcare.

However during the 18th century income was for businesses and corporations.

The workers get wages and not income.

The 16th Amdt was passed in the 20th Century [[1913). It would allow a tax related to income, but the fine or penalty is not at all related to income. It is related to whether or not one purchases health insurance. The budget director, in fact, recently testified before Congress that it was not a tax.

Also, our tax code has always referred to income [[as in taxable income, adjusted gross income, etc.). Wages are just one subset of income.

[HistoryNotHisStory]

The 16th Amdt was passed in the 20th Century [[1913). It would allow a tax related to income, but the fine or penalty is not at all related to income. It is related to whether or not one purchases health insurance. The budget director, in fact, recently testified before Congress that it was not a tax.

Also, our tax code has always referred to income [[as in taxable income, adjusted gross income, etc.). Wages are just one subset of income.

Social Security is an insurance program.

[jiminnm]

Social Security is an insurance program.

Actually, it isn't. It was sold to people as an insurance program, but defended before the SupCt in 1937 as a tax and benefit program. The Railroad Retirement Act, which was enacted before s/s, was an insurance program and was determined to be unconstitutional.