Trayvon Martin: Amazed no one has posted this....

[Meddle]

He admitted he killed Trayvon. He needs to prove his self defense claim in court.

Not under the law as it's written. The State needs to prove it WASN'T self-defense. The State is making an accusation. They need to be able to prove it. GZ doesn't have to prove anything.

[gazhekwe]

Agree, Pam. The law does not automatically mean there is no prosecution anytime there is a shooter and a body. The big evidence in this case is the body, the gun and GZ's admission that he shot Trayvon. There has to be evidence either way for a self defense assertion. GZ has no evidence to support his claim. Trayvon cannot tell his side of the story. Witness testimony and other data must be examined and tested. The usual place that happens when there is a question is in a court of law, which, in criminal cases, requires the suspect to be charged and prosecuted. Why Meddle is straining so at this, I cannot imagine. Well, yes, I can.

[gazhekwe]

He does, Meddle. The law needs clarification if the result is I can shoot you, you are dead, and I claim self defense and am let go without question.

The unintended consequences of this sloppy interpretation are staggeringly obvious.

[Crumbled_pavement]

I can't believe how strongly people are arguing with a troll. A troll that is saying things just to provoke an argument. I doubt the troll even remotely believes the garbation she is spewing.

[Pam]

I can't believe how strongly people are arguing with a troll. A troll that is saying things just to provoke an argument. I doubt the troll even remotely believes the garbation she is spewing.

I'm not so sure he's a troll. There are actually people out there trying to make Zimmerman into some kind of a hero or NRA poster boy.

[ejames01]

I'm not so sure he's a troll. There are actually people out there trying to make Zimmerman into some kind of a hero or NRA poster boy.

Hero?

A hero would not confront a teenager while packing a concealed pistol.

A hero would not shoot someone just because they get their arse kicked

[Pam]

Hero?

A hero would not confront a teenager while packing a concealed pistol.

A hero would not shoot someone just because they get their arse kicked

I didn't say I believed it but apparently he has supporters who don't seem to think he did anything wrong. [[Can't find any links at the moment but I've read about it.)

[rb336]

I didn't say I believed it but apparently he has supporters who don't seem to think he did anything wrong. [[Can't find any links at the moment but I've read about it.)

It's clear from some of the posts that some HERE seem to think he's a hero. It's also clear from some right-wing blogs and broadcasters that they are trying to paint zimmerman in that light

[vetalalumni]

I'm not so sure he's a troll. There are actually people out there trying to make Zimmerman into some kind of a hero or NRA poster boy.

A 15 year veteran Florida firefighter, Captain Brian Beckmann, and [[some of) his coworkers have settled in their own minds why George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin to death.

Thanks to Detroit Stylin for originally posting the Miami-Herald article.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/1...stigation.html

... I and my coworkers could rewrite the book on whether our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, sh*tbag, ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, ...

They're just misunderstood little church going angels and the ghetto hoodie look doesn't have anything to do with why people wonder if they're about to get jacked by a thug ...

This comes from a salaried veteran civil servant who has sworn to protect the public.

Sad to know that our professional civic employees think so low of us. Although not news to me. I've heard worse stories.

Anyhow, if he didn't post that claiming to represent his employer then it shouldn't be a big deal.

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I agree. We've heard worse stories, but in this case the fire captain publicly volunteered his, shall we say, poor judgement, in writing. This calls into question his ability to serve the public interest in the best manner possible.

Further, veteran Fire Captain Brian Beckmann claimed he and his fellow firefighters [[unionized) could write a book. I'd like to read that book.

[gazhekwe]

If the undercover officer in 2005 had been of the Zimmerman stamp, we would not be having this discussion today, as George would be pushing up daisies.

[oladub]

There are similarities between the Trayvon/Zimmerman case and the Bernard Goetz case in NYC in which Goetz also played the role of a vigilante wounding four blacks. Goetz also pleaded self defense. He was found not guilty but put in jail for six months for gun and reckless endangerment charges. Civil trials later bankrupted him. Goetz now installs squirrel houses. His shooting victims survived and went on to rape and rob other people. My guess is that Zimmerman may similarly be found guilty on lesser charges by claiming self defense and receive some time and will be forced into bankruptcy by civil claims.

suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz

[Detroit Stylin]

There are similarities between the Trayvon/Zimmerman case and the Bernard Goetz case in NYC in which Goetz also played the role of a vigilante wounding four blacks. Goetz also pleaded self defense. He was found not guilty but put in jail for six months for gun and reckless endangerment charges. Civil trials later bankrupted him. Goetz now installs squirrel houses. His shooting victims survived and went on to rape and rob other people. My guess is that Zimmerman may similarly be found guilty on lesser charges by claiming self defense and receive some time and will be forced into bankruptcy by civil claims.

suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz

Yep except in THIS regard Trayvon had ZERO in his background for criminal activity and we will never know if he would EVER have had one. In fact all we know is that he was making plans for college while the one people are trying to make out to be a hero had an EXTENSIVE criminal record.

[oladub]

Yep except in THIS regard Trayvon had ZERO in his background for criminal activity and we will never know if he would EVER have had one. In fact all we know is that he was making plans for college while the one people are trying to make out to be a hero had an EXTENSIVE criminal record.

Agreed. We don't know if Trayvon would have ever committed a crime and have no particular reason to believe he would have. The same could have been said for Goetz'z victims when he shot them. There was nothing in the Wikipedia article suggesting that any of them had previously committed crimes.

We only know that, "George Zimmerman has been accused of domestic violence, tussling with a police officer and for over-speeding. In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program."

We also know that Trayvon was currently suspended from school for the hint of marijuana or graffiti; his third indiscretion along those lines. That doesn't, of course, qualify as criminal activity or suggest a history of violence on his part. My point was that the fate of Zimmerman might be similar to that of Goetz even though Goetz had more witnesses and didn't claim to be attacked.

[Detroit Stylin]

Agreed. We don't know if Trayvon would have ever committed a crime and have no particular reason to believe he would have. The same could have been said for Goetz'z victims when he shot them. There was nothing in the Wikipedia article suggesting that any of them had previously committed crimes.

We only know that, "George Zimmerman has been accused of domestic violence, tussling with a police officer and for over-speeding. In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested and charged with "resisting officer with violence" and "battery of law enforcement officer." Both these felonies are considered third-degree. Due to his desperate attempts, the charges were reduced to "resisting officer without violence" and then the only remaining charge was also completely waived off when he entered an alcohol education program."

We also know that Trayvon was currently suspended from school for the hint of marijuana or graffiti; his third indiscretion along those lines. That doesn't, of course, qualify as criminal activity or suggest a history of violence on his part. My point was that the fate of Zimmerman might be similar to that of Goetz even though Goetz had more witnesses and didn't claim to be attacked.

Actually in the previous incident it was implied that they have committed crimes....

[ejames01]

There are similarities between the Trayvon/Zimmerman case and the Bernard Goetz case in NYC in which Goetz also played the role of a vigilante wounding four blacks. Goetz also pleaded self defense. He was found not guilty but put in jail for six months for gun and reckless endangerment charges. Civil trials later bankrupted him. Goetz now installs squirrel houses. His shooting victims survived and went on to rape and rob other people. My guess is that Zimmerman may similarly be found guilty on lesser charges by claiming self defense and receive some time and will be forced into bankruptcy by civil claims.

suggested reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernhard_Goetz

I don't think Zimmerman could be considered a vigilante in this case. He confronted the kid and got in a scuffle and he shot Trayvon after losing the upper hand.

If Trayvon had of backed down, the gun probably would not have came out.

[rb336]

I don't think Zimmerman could be considered a vigilante in this case. He confronted the kid and got in a scuffle and he shot Trayvon after losing the upper hand.

If Trayvon had of backed down, the gun probably would not have came out.

quite the contrary. his behavior as attested by his phone call and subsequent actions are those of a vigilante plain and simple. He's told by police that they don't want him to do ANYTHING else, but he still decided to take action by continuing to stalk Trayvon. THAT is the very definition of vigilante

[ejames01]

quite the contrary. his behavior as attested by his phone call and subsequent actions are those of a vigilante plain and simple. He's told by police that they don't want him to do ANYTHING else, but he still decided to take action by continuing to stalk Trayvon. THAT is the very definition of vigilante

That is a good point. Whether he wanted to kill someone is irrelevant. Zimmerman did want to take the law into his own hands.

[Detroit Stylin]

That is a good point. Whether he wanted to kill someone is irrelevant. Zimmerman did want to take the law into his own hands.

Not to mention to answer your second point Trayvon have NO duty to even give him the time of day let alone what he was doing in that neighborhood given that he wasnt a law enforcement officer. Even a cop has to identify himself before you answer a singe question...

[Meddle]

Zimmerman did want to take the law into his own hands.

Again, we don't know that. A member of the community is fully entitled to observe what someone else is doing on a public street, watch member or not. It's what people are told to do in regards to crime prevention. If you see someone you don't recognize walking down the street in your neighborhood, it is wise to keep an eye on them either until they leave, you are satisfied they belong there, or police arrive to investigate further.

[Meddle]

He's told by police that they don't want him to do ANYTHING else, ...

That's not true. A call taker stated 'We don't need you to do that". Nothing more. The call taker is not a police officer and has no authority.

[rb336]

That's not true. A call taker stated 'We don't need you to do that". Nothing more. The call taker is not a police officer and has no authority.

Neither did Zimmerman

[Meddle]

He confronted the kid ....

We don't know that.

[Detroit Stylin]

our urban youths are victims of racist profiling or products of their failed, sh*tbag, ignorant, pathetic, welfare dependent excuses for parents, but like Mrs. Corey, we speak only the truth.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/1...#storylink=cpy

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/15/2750666/miami-dade-firefighter-under-investigation.html#storylink=misearch

[Crumbled_pavement]

Sad to know that our professional civic employees think so low of us. Although not news to me. I've heard worse stories.

Anyhow, if he didn't post that claiming to represent his employer then it shouldn't be a big deal.

However, I love how some people are so mad that there supposedly is a trial by public opinion to assume Zimmerman is guilty. Those people screaming this at the top of their lungs certainly weren't so calm and patient and willing to wait for the facts to come out in the case of Nidal Malik Hasan. All they need to hear was that he supposedly said "Allahu Akbar" before the shooting and they were ready to convict. In Trayvon's case though, no amount of evidence will ever convince them that Trayvon wasn't some worthless hood who stalked and provoked an altercation with poor harmless little Mr. Zimmerman.

People are funny.

[gazhekwe]

zimmerman did not simply keep an eye on them either until they leave, you are satisfied they belong there, or police arrive to investigate further.


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