Trayvon Martin: Amazed no one has posted this....

[rb336]

and Zimmerman is Hispanic, sorry media... the race baiting blew up in your face.....

if you take that as a fact that just proves that the people who think Zimmerman needs to be held accountable are race baiting. The argument isn't about race, it's about holding wanna-be vigilantes responsible for their actions

[Meddle]

^^ Tell that to Al and Jesse.

[noise]

can a person have the reasonable expectation to be able to patrol their own neighborhood without being attacked???

Of course. But that's not all he did. He crossed that line. He engaged.

[noise]

yeah, what WAS he doing there, in a neighborhood where he lived, the nerve of this guy wandering around the commons area where he lived.... if you argue the point that Trayvon was in a public location and had every right to be wandering around there then you HAVE to concede that Zimmerman had the "right" to be anywhere on those same premises....

and Zimmerman is Hispanic, sorry media... the race baiting blew up in your face.....

He was engaging in a confrontation with an innocent kid. That's what he was doing. He was worried the innocent kid would "get away", as he'd already erroneously made up his mind that the kid was guilty of something.

[Goose]

Of course. But that's not all he did. He crossed that line. He engaged.

thats your interpretation of what your heard or read

from what I've seen, his story is that he was returning to his car and Trayvon engaged him....

no need to interpret that, thats exactly what he said

you chose not to believe him, fine, you go with your theories and bending of the facts to make it look like this guy gunned down Trayvon in the back

I will go with what has been presented until evidence [[EVIDENCE) otherwise shows different... NOT WHAT YOU THINK, NOT YOUR THEORY, NOT HOW YOU FEEL.......

[rb336]

Please try to remember the neighbor witnesses and the sound of someone calling for help on the 911 tape that has been confirmed as Trayvon's

[Goose]

Please try to remember the neighbor witnesses and the sound of someone calling for help on the 911 tape that has been confirmed as Trayvon's

WRONG... the "confirmation" is as shakey as a POLYGRAPH test

from a LIBERAL website

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bennet...b_1468761.html

[Meddle]

Goose, they're not interested in evidence or facts. They just want Guilty and life in prison, no matter what really happened.

[rb336]

WRONG... the "confirmation" is as shakey as a POLYGRAPH test

from a LIBERAL website

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bennet...b_1468761.html

Unlike most right-wing sources, huffpost doesn't have exclusively liberal bloggers. Gershman is verifiably wrong when talking about biometric voice analysis, not about it being allowed in courts, but about its usefulness and reliability. Numerous Fortune 500 companies use BVA to secure their networks, including securing sensitive facilities. These companies are not known to throw large sums of money at something that is "unproven" in terms of efficacy. BVA was one of the things that led to getting Osama bin Laden.

Gershman is a paid "debunker" for such things.

[Goose]

Unlike most right-wing sources, huffpost doesn't have exclusively liberal bloggers. Gershman is verifiably wrong when talking about biometric voice analysis, not about it being allowed in courts, but about its usefulness and reliability. Numerous Fortune 500 companies use BVA to secure their networks, including securing sensitive facilities. These companies are not known to throw large sums of money at something that is "unproven" in terms of efficacy. BVA was one of the things that led to getting Osama bin Laden.

Gershman is a paid "debunker" for such things.

wow, you will defend ANYTHING that reinforces your position

POLYGRAPH - 100% crap

voice analysis of grainy 911 call compared to police interview - 100% PROOF

and Huffington Post has no real conservatives... get real

[Meddle]

Numerous Fortune 500 companies use BVA to secure their networks, including securing sensitive facilities.

It may work in controlled environments when speaking directly into a microphone comparing known words and phrases spoken in controlled manners.

But when used on a phone call with background noise, when the questioned voice is not directly in front of the microphone and neither person in question has provided control samples .... I doubt there's much reliability.

As to witnesses, one of them has stated he knows it was the larger person on the bottom [[Z) who was calling out for help.

But, who needs facts, right?

[Crumbled_pavement]

thats your interpretation of what your heard or read

from what I've seen, his story is that he was returning to his car and Trayvon engaged him....

no need to interpret that, thats exactly what he said

you chose not to believe him, fine, you go with your theories and bending of the facts to make it look like this guy gunned down Trayvon in the back

I will go with what has been presented until evidence [[EVIDENCE) otherwise shows different... NOT WHAT YOU THINK, NOT YOUR THEORY, NOT HOW YOU FEEL.......

And we know Zimmerman would never tell a lie. Not about this, not about thousands of $$$ he collected in donations for legal fees. Zimmerman has no questionable past either. Why would an upstanding citizen like Zimmerman instigate such an event anyhow? We know Trayvon was a worthless thug who came up to Sanford, FL expressly with the intent to start a fight with one of the local residents. To poor Mr. Martin's dismay, he picked the wrong innocent angel to assault. Thank God patriotic people like Zimmerman are around to patrol their neighborhoods from thugs like Martin. Martin forced Zimmerman's hand and got exactly what he deserved. CASE CLOSED! [[well, of course because again, Zimmerman said so. And we know Zimmerman doesn't lie)...

[Goose]

so where did the cuts on his head come from, and the bloody nose? and did he plant the THC that was in Trayvons blood that night according to the autopsy???

[rb336]

As to witnesses, one of them has stated he knows it was the larger person on the bottom [[Z) who was calling out for help.

But, who needs facts, right?

said witness recanted that testimony and said it was too dark to see clearly

[Goose]

said witness recanted that testimony and said it was too dark to see clearly

said witness got visit and was asked again if maybe it was too dark too see clearly.... asked maybe they might like to change their mind....

[noise]

thats your interpretation of what your heard or read

from what I've seen, his story is that he was returning to his car and Trayvon engaged him....

no need to interpret that, thats exactly what he said

you chose not to believe him, fine, you go with your theories and bending of the facts to make it look like this guy gunned down Trayvon in the back

I will go with what has been presented until evidence [[EVIDENCE) otherwise shows different... NOT WHAT YOU THINK, NOT YOUR THEORY, NOT HOW YOU FEEL.......

I think you're completely oblivious to your own posts.

[noise]

Goose, they're not interested in evidence or facts. They just want Guilty and life in prison, no matter what really happened.

You're just as oblivious as Goose here. The facts are pretty clear. Based on Zimmerman's own words, he found an innocent man guilty in his own court and attempted to do something about it.

Outside of that, we're all speculating.

[Crumbled_pavement]

we're all speculating.

True, to some extent. However, if you speculate that Zimmerman was just some poor slob trying desperately to patrol his neighborhood when Trayvon came out of nowhere and assaulted him, then you're unbiased and see the facts clearly [[no matter how many facts contradict that assanine ascertion). If instead you see Trayvon as the victim in this circumstance, well you're obviously a Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton fan who has bought into the liberal media's conspiracy to reelect Obama. No way is it possible that a man could go overboard and cross the line from simply patroling his neighborhood to becoming a vigilante and assuming someone is guilty of something they didn't do. This doesn't happen in America.

[Goose]

no one's explained the cuts on Zimmermans head, is it your assertion that these were faked or self inflicted???

and of course, why would Trayvon act irrationionally having THC in his bloodstream according to the autopsy.....

[rb336]

no one's explained the cuts on Zimmermans head, is it your assertion that these were faked or self inflicted???

and of course, why would Trayvon act irrationionally having THC in his bloodstream according to the autopsy.....

first off, THC is not, repeat not associated with violent behavior, second, it stays in the blood stream long after the effects wear off, third, if anyone was right to attack someone, its the kid being stalked by a creepy older man

[Goose]

first off, THC is not, repeat not associated with violent behavior, second, it stays in the blood stream long after the effects wear off, third, if anyone was right to attack someone, its the kid being stalked by a creepy older man

so you ARE saying trayvon first attacked Zimmerman? as he had the right to as Zimmerman was stalking him??? if so, was Zimmerman to just sit there and take a beating???

[Meddle]

first off, THC is not, repeat not associated with violent behavior,

second, it stays in the blood stream long after the effects wear off,

From what I heard, there were only trace amounts that would have no effect.

Interestingly though, the Miami bridge zombie was clean EXCEPT for weed. No signs of salts or other hallucinogens. Not that that really has anything to do with this case, but there may be some bad stuff out there hitting the streets that could do weird things to some people.

[Goose]

From what I heard, there were only trace amounts that would have no effect.

Interestingly though, the Miami bridge zombie was clean EXCEPT for weed. No signs of salts or other hallucinogens. Not that that really has anything to do with this case, but there may be some bad stuff out there hitting the streets that could do weird things to some people.

you heard "trace" amounts because thats what the parents said, there has been no official levels released.... of course the parents will say trace amounts, they aren't going to say he was whacked out of his mind....

[Crumbled_pavement]

you heard "trace" amounts because thats what the parents said, there has been no official levels released.... of course the parents will say trace amounts, they aren't going to say he was whacked out of his mind....

And Goose, that's why we're glad you're here to give us your expert knowledge that in fact the thug Trayvon was whacked out of his mind. Thanks for that certifiable information you provided us with. I'm quite sure [[thanks to your excellent enlightenment) that Trayvon wasn't just a weed smoker, he probably smoke weed blunts laced with cocaine [[51/50). Thank God that Zimmerman stopped the thug Trayvon when he did. We could be looking at a mass murder scene if the good samaritan Zimmerman didn't stop Trayvon in time.

[Goose]

And Goose, that's why we're glad you're here to give us your expert knowledge that in fact the thug Trayvon was whacked out of his mind. Thanks for that certifiable information you provided us with. I'm quite sure [[thanks to your excellent enlightenment) that Trayvon wasn't just a weed smoker, he probably smoke weed blunts laced with cocaine [[51/50). Thank God that Zimmerman stopped the thug Trayvon when he did. We could be looking at a mass murder scene if the good samaritan Zimmerman didn't stop Trayvon in time.

there you go again, making stuff up, I did not say he was whacked out of his mind, i only stated that of course the parents are going to say "trace" amounts, regardless of what the levels were... i don't know what the levels were, neither do you, we only know that THC was in his blood... thats a FACT...

did you see the 7-11 tape when he was buying the skittles, he appeared to be on something, although very non-aggressive, took him 5 minutes to dig through his pocket and count out the money, looked like the clerk was going to fall asleep, he was kinda looking like he was just staring at his money....

still nobody cares to explain the cuts and broken nose on zimmerman.... i guess that "evidence" is just dismissed.....