Trayvon Martin: Amazed no one has posted this....

[Goose]

I wonder what the people that don't believe Zimmermans story think???

Did Zimmerman just walk up to Trayvon and shoot him in cold blood, just whipped out the gun and shot him??? Does that really sound likely?

[Zacha341]

What I don't understand is why Zimmerman's now claiming Martin went for his gun? Why didn't he say that in the initial report[[s)?

I wonder what the people that don't believe Zimmermans story think???

Did Zimmerman just walk up to Trayvon and shoot him in cold blood, just whipped out the gun and shot him??? Does that really sound likely?

[Meddle]

What I don't understand is why Zimmerman's now claiming Martin went for his gun? Why didn't he say that in the initial report[[s)?

This IS the initial report. It was taken the day after the incident, long before the press got a hold of the story. It's probably as fresh and 'un-spun' as anything the public has seen.

It's being released now by court order.

[Zacha341]

Thank you for the clarification.

This IS the initial report. It was taken the day after the incident, long before the press got a hold of the story. It's probably as fresh and 'un-spun' as anything the public has seen.

It's being released now by court order.

[Goose]

in my hearing of his explanation, i don't think he says Trayvon WAS going for his gun but rather that he THOUGHT he MIGHT be going for his gun

anytime you have a gun holstered and are in a scuffle its the first thing you think of, regardless of the other persons intentions or not...

ask a police officer, if they are in a wrestliing match with someone, they are taught and their instict is immediatly to protect access to their weapon....

so of course no matter what Trayvons intentions were, if the story is true, if im on the ground getting pummeled by someone and i have a gun, im thinking what will happen if he gets ahold of my weapon???

[noise]

If somebody was following me and threatened me with a gun before engaging in a physical confrontation, I may go for the gun, as well.

[Meddle]

If somebody was following me and threatened me with a gun before engaging in a physical confrontation,

Still missing the basics of the case, aren't you?

[noise]

Still missing the basics of the case, aren't you?

No, but it sounds like you are. A very simple, obvious, and clearly righteous decision made by Zimmerman could have prevented this entire thing.

[Crumbled_pavement]

No, but it sounds like you are. A very simple, obvious, and clearly righteous decision made by Zimmerman could have prevented this entire thing.

Exactly. I'm amazed at why the rabid right wing expects an immature teenager to behave in a far more mature manner than a fully grown adult. How many children come up missing every year for simply answering questions some strange adult asks them? It's not very often a van pulls up, someone jumps out and snatches a kid, throws them in the back of the van, closes the doors and then speeds off. Usually the stranger tries to earn the child's trust first before abducting/assaulting them, or whatever else. It makes sense that an immature teenager would be frightened by some strange man following him, a fact that his girlfriend already spoke about.

Now we're supposed to believe Zimmerman shot Trayvon because he thought he was going for his gun. So Zimmerman couldn't just secure the gun? He couldn't fire off a warning shot? He had to kill Trayvon because he might go after his gun? Does any rational person not believe that Zimmerman is at least partially culpable for this incident? And if he is then he deserves to be prosecuted. You may say, "well about about Trayvon, he was partially culpable too?" To which I'd say, "uh, ummm, well, errr... HE'S DEAD, DUMBASS!!!!"

However, I'm not supposed to mock these silly assertions, I'm supposed to treat them as if any rational, non-rabid right-wing nutcase would find them plausable. Even Republican politicians can't run on the "Trayvon was a wild out of control thug that stalked down Zimmerman and forced him to shoot him" nonsense because even they see it as an off the wall ascertion. Allen West, one of the nuttiest Tea Party members even thinks Zimmerman was in the wrong.

I'm supposed to take those who want to make Zimmerman a hero at all costs as serious? Now that's a true joke right there!

Btw Brizee, excellent post!

[Papasito]

This is what happens when an amateur tries to do a police officer's job.

[Detwa]

I'm still trying to figure out how it was Zimmerman doing all of that screaming in the 911 tapes - if Trayvon had BOTH hands on his mouth/face? Wouldn't Zimmerman have been suffocating? Yet, he was still able to talk to the resident who opened the door? From his account, Trayvon was holding his mouth shut, but he was able to speak, not once, but twice, to the person who opened the door.

Not only that, Trayvon would have had to have been straddling his groin area in order to see the gun. If you're on top of someone, your body is generally around their stomach or chest. Where was the gun? If it was suddenly "exposed', how did either of them "see" it or even "feel" it exposed, if they're fighting?

In addition, he says he took his free hand and grabbed the gun - if they're fighting, wouldn't both of his hands have been busy trying to save his own life? Or were they just laying there at his side, conveniently available to grab at the gun once it was exposed?

And if both of Trayvon's hands were busy holding his face down, wouldn't that have been the opportune time to just pull out the gun?

And, how could Trayvon be banging his head on the ground until near death, if he's pressing both hands on his face?

Heck, I didn't even go to detective school and these things stood out to me as I watched the video, so I'm sure the prosecutors are seeking to answer these questions already. It's crazy to me how the Zimmerman fans refuse to see the logic that's staring them right in the face. This video contradicts every other account he's given!

[Goose]

I'm still trying to figure out how it was Zimmerman doing all of that screaming in the 911 tapes - if Trayvon had BOTH hands on his mouth/face? Wouldn't Zimmerman have been suffocating? Yet, he was still able to talk to the resident who opened the door? From his account, Trayvon was holding his mouth shut, but he was able to speak, not once, but twice, to the person who opened the door.

Not only that, Trayvon would have had to have been straddling his groin area in order to see the gun. If you're on top of someone, your body is generally around their stomach or chest. Where was the gun? If it was suddenly "exposed', how did either of them "see" it or even "feel" it exposed, if they're fighting?

In addition, he says he took his free hand and grabbed the gun - if they're fighting, wouldn't both of his hands have been busy trying to save his own life? Or were they just laying there at his side, conveniently available to grab at the gun once it was exposed?

And if both of Trayvon's hands were busy holding his face down, wouldn't that have been the opportune time to just pull out the gun?

And, how could Trayvon be banging his head on the ground until near death, if he's pressing both hands on his face?

Heck, I didn't even go to detective school and these things stood out to me as I watched the video, so I'm sure the prosecutors are seeking to answer these questions already. It's crazy to me how the Zimmerman fans refuse to see the logic that's staring them right in the face. This video contradicts every other account he's given!

wow, you are a regular matlock...

if zimmerman was a black guy, trayvon would be a spec of nothing and forgotten....

if trayvon were anything but black he would be a spec of nothing and forgotten...

its all about race....

and BTW, trayvon wasn't the young innocent looking kid that the media pictures portreyed at the onset of the incident.... ask why the media decided to portrey him this way??? race baiting, divide and conquer....

the only thing that went wrong was they picked the wrong "white guy" to make the scape goat, cause Zimmerman is NOT WHITE.....

[noise]

and BTW, trayvon wasn't the young innocent looking kid that the media pictures portreyed at the onset of the incident.... ask why the media decided to portrey him this way??? race baiting, divide and conquer....

So walking home with some candy in his pocket makes him guilty of something? Thanks, Judge Zimmerman!

I've broke a couple of minor laws in my time. Does that mean I shouldn't have reasonable expectation to walk from the store to my home without being murdered?

[Goose]

So walking home with some candy in his pocket makes him guilty of something? Thanks, Judge Zimmerman!

I've broke a couple of minor laws in my time. Does that mean I shouldn't have reasonable expectation to walk from the store to my home without being murdered?

can a person have the reasonable expectation to be able to patrol their own neighborhood without being attacked???

Zimmerman PASSED a lie detector test....

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/...etector-421395


but let's wait until there is more evidence to believe this guy didn't gun down Trayvon execution style in cold blood......

[rb336]

does a kid have the right to walk home through his own neighborhood without being stalked by a wanna-be big man/thug? remember, he wasn't part of a REAL neighborhood watch organization, ignored police orders, etc.

If YOU were being stalked by a thug like Zimmerman, would you want to confront him? no, of course not, because you are a coward.

There is a HUGE reason lie detector tests aren't allowed in a court of law. There is exactly zero scientific, reproducible evidence of their reliability. They are easily fooled [[i've done it), results are subject to the bias of the interpreter, etc.

[noise]

can a person have the reasonable expectation to be able to patrol their own neighborhood without being attacked???

Of course. But that's not all he did. He crossed that line. He engaged.

[Meddle]

You guys are overthinking this and reaching for anything you can to support your conclusions.

[rb336]

You guys are overthinking this and reaching for anything you can to support your conclusions.

you're the ones doing all the mental gymnastics to justify shooting an unarmed kid

[Meddle]

I don't believe in Polygraph results for a number of reasons. Personally, I think they should be outlawed.

[Goose]

I don't believe in Polygraph results for a number of reasons. Personally, I think they should be outlawed.

if he failed the polygragh test miserably than I'm sure you would be 100% behind it....

the polygraph in itself is not the 100% end all be all evidence, its just another tool and another factor to consider.....

[Crumbled_pavement]

I love when people try to insinuate that someone is prejudiced because they see the story a different way. Yet, they are equally convinced of their version of the story - probably because they have a prejudice of their own that they don't want to admit to.

[Goose]

I love when people try to insinuate that someone is prejudiced because they see the story a different way. Yet, they are equally convinced of their version of the story - probably because they have a prejudice of their own that they don't want to admit to.

i understand what you are saying...

much of the Trayvon side is based on what people "think" happened and what they heard through the grapevine, like for instance Trayvon was shot in the back cold blooded because he was just standing there eating skittles and being black... or that somehow Zimmerman is a white guy and therefore a white supremist and racist....

if you objectively look at the evidence that has come out, from the tapes that contain Zimmerman screaming for help, from the cuts on his head, to the witness collaberation, to the polygraph, its hard not to ask why those 100% on the "trayvon" side can't see anything in this evidence...

regardless, there are no right "sides" as one guy is dead for which I can not positivly say did nothing wrong [[maybe, just maybe he did attack Zimmerman, cold cocked him and jumped on him).... and another guy is found guilty by many before ANY evidence was presented based only on the color of their respective skin colors....

you really have to question how the media jumped on this and presented the story without having all the facts, what was their motivation to skew public opinion, much of the crap they originally report was wrong but thats what sticks in peoples heads, the initial reports [[like Zimmerman is white, the 5 year old picture of trayvon that didn't accuratly show how big he was that day, that the screams on the tape were trayvons, that after being told he didn't need to follow trayvon that he relentlessly pursued him....

[Crumbled_pavement]

regardless, there are no right "sides"

Yet, you seem so convinced that Zimmerman was in the right and did nothing more than simply patrol his neighborhood. Are you sure you're not guided by some prejudices of your own? I said it before and I'll say it agian, if Zimmerman is even partially culpable for Trayvon's death then he should be tried and found guilty on some charge.

Sure you went in and you robbed the bank, you shot the security guard and I had nothing to do with any of that. However, I was waiting in the getaway car when you got out the bank and I helped you escape. In the eyes of most citizens and the law as well, I'm culpable just the same for the bank robbery as you are.

There are 3 types of media consumers in this world:
1) People who believe anything the media tells them, just because the media told them.

2) People who disbelieve anything the media tells them, just because the media told them. They think they're smarter than the blind believers not realizing they are just blind disbelievers.

3) People who examine all sides.

If you examined all sides without bias as you claimed you have then it is hard to see how you don't think Zimmerman is at least partially culpable for Trayvon's murder.

[rb336]

It's simple. Zimmerman's story doesn't match the dispatchers' or the neighbors' version of events. End result? A child, who wasn't doing anything wrong, is dead

[Goose]

It's simple. Zimmerman's story doesn't match the dispatchers' or the neighbors' version of events. End result? A child, who wasn't doing anything wrong, is dead

please elaborate, with the facts, and not with what you think or feel....