Occupy Wall Street

[Detroitnerd]

It's kind of fun to see the right-wing people on this forum in full-on freakout mode ...

[Det_ard]

It's kind of fun to see the right-wing people on this forum in full-on freakout mode ...

Huh? Where's the "full freakout mode"? What'd I miss? Did it get scrubbed?

[Detroitnerd]

The weird thing is, the messages don't connect or make sense.

"They're going to destroy capitalism!" doesn't make sense when also "They're a ragtag bunch of losers!"

"They're not important!" doesn't make sense with the way bloviators won't stop talking about them.

"They're just a bunch of rich kids," doesn't make sense with "Are they going to redistribute the money they've raised?"

"They're totally disorganized," doesn't make sense with "This whole thing is a construct of the media-Democrat-industrial complex!"

Great article about Rush Limbaugh's on-air freakout from Matt Taibbi in Rolling Stone:

"[T]he notion that this is all a media fabrication is ludicrous. Dylan Ratigan didn’t invent four million people in foreclosure, he didn’t invent ten trillion dollars in bailouts, and he didn’t invent Wall Street’s $160 billion bonus pool the year after the crash of its own creation. People out there do not need media figures to tell them how fucked things are, or how pissed they should be that the same bankers who caused the crash are now enjoying state-supported bonuses in the billions, while everyone else gets squeezed. As someone who has been covering this stuff for three years, I can say with confidence that people across the country don’t need a push to be angry. They’re already there, and have been there for years. Rush should go hang out outside a foreclosure court in his home state of Florida for a few hours, if he wants to see where the rising heat under these protests is coming from.
Anyway, the hysterical responses from the Rushes of the world are just more signs that these protests are working. I never thought I’d see it, but some of the dukes and earls high up in America’s Great Tower of Bullshit are starting to blink a little bit. They seem genuinely freaked out that OWS doesn’t have leaders or a single set of demands, which in addition to being very encouraging is quite funny."


http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...treet-20111018

[Papasito]

This looks about right to me........

[Jimaz]

Link repair for #187 above:

Noam Chomsky on Occupy Wall Street protests

[Goose]

This looks about right to me........

thats a decent chart, only thing is on the left, what "rights" are the corporations taking away? i think many people are confused with "rights" vs. "desires"......

[Goose]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...hpa8MSYIL9xSDL


welcome to the real world....

[Searay215]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/m...hpa8MSYIL9xSDL


welcome to the real world....

Exactly!!!!! LMAO!!!!! Professional homeless people?....are there amateurs? How does one move from amateur to professional?.....LMAO...Again!!!

[Danny]

My Conrads!

The 99 Percenters are proletarian army of peace protesting against global corporate greed and their relationship with the world governments. Everyone is welcome to join our cause, but they must dedicated the lives to share the resources with the masses. Everyone who is a 99 Percenter must through away the capitalist corporate dream of getting your personal wants. Depend on your needs and the needs of others for survival. We 99 Percenters don't live on personal dogmas but by the dependency of the communal family. Like socialists and communists families in the past and today everyone must work or you don't eat! For those who are homeless, meek, weak, veteran, hippie, flower child, lost children, school dropouts, college dropouts, graduates, slaves to corps working minmium wages, those living on welfare, food stamps, SSI, Social Security, free from prison and drugs addiction, politicians, doctors, lawyers, teachers, athletes, celebrities, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Pagans, Atheists and yes even gang members. Join the 99 Percenters, march for socialist and proletarian freedom. Prepare to get beat down, go to prison or get killed for your brothers ans sisters. Free mankind from the chains of super rich. You must be ready to protest doublethinking with the agreement of your fellow conrads. Then you will get your. This is what Democritus to Guy Fawkes to Karl Marx is waiting for. A revolution of peace and liberty from the proletarians from the elites. Go forth my conrads! We will crush the corporations need for greed and end plutomony and other kleptocracies so we the 99 Percenters can create a better civilization for our children for years to come.



WORD FROM THE STREET PROPHET

For the 99 Percenters and the Spirit of Guy Fawkes, Neda, I miss you so.

[rb336]

thats a decent chart, only thing is on the left, what "rights" are the corporations taking away? i think many people are confused with "rights" vs. "desires"......

There have been SEVERAL cases of corporations telling employees that they can't marry someone, or firing people for drinking the wrong kind of beer at a party, or for wearing clothes the company doesn't approve of while the person is on their own time, or the right to have a clean environment including water to drink and swim in and air to breathe. Isn't that enough?

[Goose]

There have been SEVERAL cases of corporations telling employees that they can't marry someone, or firing people for drinking the wrong kind of beer at a party, or for wearing clothes the company doesn't approve of while the person is on their own time, or the right to have a clean environment including water to drink and swim in and air to breathe. Isn't that enough?

hmmm.... didn't really see those items spelled out in the bill of rights found in our constitution.... again, i think you are confusiing your desires with "rights".....

maybe reword your statement, as these examples do not show "rights" being taken away....

[rb336]

you have one very limited concept of "rights" buddy.

[Goose]

you have one very limited concept of "rights" buddy.

really?, please enlighten me as to what you think are "rights"

[Goose]

you have one very limited concept of "rights" buddy.

your post seems to suggest that someone has a "right" to a job and that the employer cannot place any stipuations on the terms of employment....

sorry, if an employer wants its employees to behave and dress a certain way in and out of work, its their perogative, you have no "right" to a job, if you don't like the job, quit....

[HistoryNotHisStory]

They are doing nothing productive and accomplishing nothing more than making some very well founded complaints seem to be the sole purview of the crazy and violent left.

Yeah right!

That's what they said about Susan B. Anthony.
That's what they said about Gandhi.
That's what they said about Dr. Martin Luther King.

And that's is what they will say about Occupy Wall Street.

However, each one of those groups and people has evoked changed.

In the words of Abraham Lincoln "government of the people by the people for the people, shall not perish from the earth"

[Omaha]

Abraham Lincoln had some thoughts that probably would put him on the side of OWS and get him labeled by Conservatives as worse than a RINO.

“To secure to each laborer the whole product of his labor, or as nearly as possible, is a most worthy object of any good government.” [[1847) Illinois Congressman Abraham Lincoln

“There has never been but one question in all of civilization -- how to keep the few men from saying to the many men, ‘You work and earn bread and we will eat it.’” Abraham Lincoln

“We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood… It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless.” Abraham Lincoln 16th President of the United States, November 21, 1864

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed.” U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 [[letter to Col. William F. Elkins)

[Jimaz]

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[Jimaz]

Occupy Wall Street: Sgt. Shamar Thomas calls on veterans to support the movement

[rb336]

Abraham Lincoln had some thoughts that probably would put him on the side of OWS and get him labeled by Conservatives as worse than a RINO.

And don't forget this one:
"These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert, to fleece the people"

[oladub]

A libertarian's take on Lincoln:

"The entire agenda of Hamiltonian mercantilism was put into place during the Lincoln administration – along with the first income tax, the first military conscription law, and the creation of the internal revenue bureaucracy, among other monstrosities."

Lincoln's " illegal suspension of Habeas Corpus and the imprisonment of tens of thousands of political dissenters in the North; his shutting down of over 300 opposition newspapers; his deportation of the leader of the congressional opposition, Democratic Congressman Clement Vallandigham of Ohio; and his purposeful waging of total war on civilians. He destroyed the voluntary union of the founding fathers and destroyed the system of federalism that was the hallmark of the original constitution by using military force to "prove" that nullification and secession were illegal. Might makes right. Unlike England, Spain, France, Denmark, Holland, Sweden, and other countries that ended slavery peacefully in the nineteenth century."

Lincoln "imprisoned tens of thousands of people in the North without any due process, shutting down hundreds of newspapers, handing thousands of Northern men death sentences in the form of military conscription, and generally ruling as a tyrant. Even with the South out of the union he only won the 1864 election with 55% of the vote, and that was after federal troops were used to rig the elections by intimidating Democratic voters at the polling places."
http://thedailybell.com/1053/Thomas-...t-History.html

350,000 dead is a civil war, civil liberties destroyed. Is this the person Occupy really wants as a role model? Maybe Jefferson's vision of liberty and limited government offered a better alternative than Hamilton's mercantilism; our modern Democratic/Republican corporatist state.

[rb336]

A libertarian's take on Lincoln:

350,000 dead is a civil war, civil liberties destroyed. Is this the person Occupy really wants as a role model? Maybe Jefferson's vision of liberty and limited government offered a better alternative than Hamilton's mercantilism; our modern Democratic/Republican corporatist state.

Jefferson's vision of liberty held, quite clearly, that it could only be obtained in small homogenous groups.

Would you go along with his views on economic equality?

“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to
exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher
portions of property in geometric progression as they rise”

[oladub]

rb366, "Jefferson's vision of liberty held, quite clearly, that it could only be obtained in small homogenous groups."

Jefferson vastly expanded personal individual liberty in his day. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted" as he put it.

Would you go along with his views on economic equality?

“Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to
exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher
portions of property in geometric progression as they rise”

Certainly, I'd go along with it especially considering that federal income taxes weren't put fully instituted until 1913 under Woodrow Wilson [[D). Tariffs contributed much of federal revenue in Jefferson's day. Fair enough, tariffs are a bit of a use tax encouraging domestic production, think 'jobs', at the expense of the corporate profiteer importers. Even Hamilton supported some Tariffs.

[rb336]

Jefferson vastly expanded personal individual liberty in his day. "That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted" as he put it.

He also saw hereditary property as the road toward a new aristocracy, and favored government protecting people against the wealthy landowners

[maxx]

RE: Lincoln and habeas corpus

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_mlaw.html
Article 1, Section 9 states, "The privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." Habeas corpus is a concept of law, in which a person may not be held by the government without a valid reason for being held. A writ of habeas corpus can be issued by a court upon a government agency [[such as a police force or the military). Such a writ compels the agency to produce the individual to the court, and to convince the court that the person is being reasonably held. The suspension of habeas corpus allows an agency to hold a person without a charge. Suspension of habeas corpus is often equated with martial law.

[maxx]

The partnership beween big business and politicians goes back to ....
pre Rome?

http://undergroundbible.wordpress.com/tag/big-business/
http://books.google.com/books?id=4a4...page&q&f=false
http://www.examiner.com/progressive-...ral-government


Corruption, deals, bribes, rich controlling the poor....
it's not a new concept.

The Soviets tried to create the "every one is equal" socialist utopia...



So much for that....

No one is saying that everyone should be equal. But when the top 1% has taken in 80% of the money made in the last 30 years, something is not right. When the tax burden continues to get shifted onto people with a median income of 50k and away from people who are making millions, something is not right.