Detroit cop sucker punches drunk at Casino.....suelarity ensues

**UpTown** · September-26-11, 05:21 PM

So when will this type of behavior simply be eliminated? Where's the federal monitor at?

Robert Snell/ The Detroit News
Detroit— A Livonia man is suing the city and two Detroit Police officers in federal court, claiming he was sucker-punched while being escorted out of the MGM Grand Casino — an incident captured on surveillance camera.
The lawsuit is the second case in recent months filed against the city involving assault allegations and surveillance tape. In June, Police Chief Ralph L. Godbee placed an officer on restricted duty after The Detroit News publicized a civil rights lawsuit filed by a man who claims he was assaulted outside a Detroit gas station.
The casino incident happened after officers responded in late July to a report that Patrick Poisson had inappropriately touched a "Grandette" waitress inside the casino in downtown Detroit. The waitress told police that a drunken man touched her butt with his right hand.
The video contradicts the police version of events, the man's lawyer Wolfgang Mueller told The Detroit News on Monday.
"When you look at the video and read the police report, it's describing two different incidents," Mueller said.
The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages for violating Mueller's constitutional rights, assault and battery, malicious prosecution, gross negligence and intentional infliction of emotional distress.
There was no immediate comment from a police spokeswoman.
Poisson sued the city and Officers Arthur Dudal and Jose Ortiz on Friday in U.S. District Court in Detroit.
The incident happened July 30. MGM security called Detroit Police after a report that Poisson inappropriately touched a waitress's butt and would not leave the U Me Drink bar.
Dudal and a second officer, Hassan Chehab, approached Poisson, according to the lawsuit. Dudal told Poisson to leave immediately.
Poisson started leaving the bar, and then turned to Dudal.
The men stood face to face.
"Suddenly, and without warning, Dudal threw a roundhouse right hand punch, striking [[Poisson) squarely on the nose, fracturing it," Mueller wrote in the lawsuit. "[[Poisson) was driven to the ground, temporarily knocked out. However, before [[Poisson) hit the ground, Dudal followed with a left hook to the head, driving Plaintiff to the floor."
Dudal also punched Poisson on his right side, breaking two ribs, according to the lawsuit.
On Aug. 1, Ortiz filed a warrant request to charge Poisson with assault and battery, and 4th degree criminal sexual conduct for touching the MGM waitress.
In the request, Ortiz wrote that Poisson "turned around and charged at Officer Dudal. The defendant attempted to strike Officer Dudal with his right fist but missed," according to the lawsuit. "The defendant charged at Officer Dudal a second time. Officer Dudal, in an attempt to defend himself, struck the defendant's face with his left fist. The defendant fell to the ground and was still fighting with Officer Dudal."
The officer's report failed to mention the waitress told him she didn't want to press charges, according to the lawsuit.
Mueller's client denies inappropriately touching the waitress.
The Wayne County Prosecutor's Office signed the warrant, based on Ortiz' report. The criminal sexual conduct charge was dismissed on Aug. 15 when the waitress appeared in court and said she didn't want to press charges.
On Sept. 12, the prosecutor's office dismissed the remaining charges after watching the surveillance tape, according to the lawsuit.
Mueller wants Dudal fired and charged with assault and battery.
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From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110926/...#ixzz1Z6FpKab1

**animatedmartian** · September-26-11, 06:14 PM

Without audio on the video, I suspect the drunk guy was saying what drunk people usually say. But I don't see anything that called for the cop to punch the guy. The police defense story is an outright lie and causes more problems than it tries to cover up. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

**UpTown** · September-26-11, 06:54 PM

When you read the officer's statement and realize what a bold faced lie it is, the only way this plays out is with a pay out. Simply put, no matter what that drunk said, he never lunged at the officer, not once [[or twice, as his report stated). The cop had a clean, clear, wide open shot to that guys face with a right hand, and that guy was on his way to the ground before Officer Dudal got the 2nd punch in. To say anything else is unbelievable.
Detroit officers get so much crap heaped upon them, and there are so many eyes watching, it is sad and pathetic that this is still allowed. I suppose able bodies willing to put on the uniform aren't lining up on the border to come into the city, but come on. This guy seriously doesn't belong in a police uniform anywhere. His credibility is shot if he is ever going to be called to testify in any future criminal case. What's the use of keeping him on the force?

Here is the quote from the Detroit Free Press article about the incident:
"In his request, Ortiz wrote that “The defendant turned around and charged at Officer Dudal. The defendant attempted to strike Officer Dudal with his right fist but missed. Officer Dudal defended himself by striking the defendant in the face with his right fist. The defendant charged at Officer Dudal a second time. Officer Dudal, in an attempt to defend himself, struck the defendant’s face with his left fist. The defendant fell to the ground and was still fighting with Officer Dudal. Officer Dudal and his partner …. Handcuffed the defendant as he resisted arrest.”
- http://www.freep.com/article/2011092...text|FRONTPAGE

**JBMcB** · September-26-11, 06:57 PM

Does *anything* happen to cops who pull this stuff other than "restricted duty" or a couple of weeks off? A month ago a couple of cops in California tasered a sick homeless man until he had a heart attack. He wasn't even fighting with the cops, he just wasn't doing what they told him because he was extremely ill. Desk duty for a week and the cops are back on the job. Jesus. The rule should be simple - you pull something blatantly against the rules, the lawsuit payout comes out of your paycheck, AND pension.

**Goose** · September-26-11, 07:23 PM

that guy won the lawsuit jackpot that night.......

**Johnnny5** · September-26-11, 07:32 PM

The video in the above link does not show what happened in the seconds before the officer threw a punch. The video has either been selectively edited, or for some reason the cameras were not able to pick up what was happening [[And I find that highly doubtful considering how many cameras are in a casino).

**p1acebo** · September-26-11, 07:41 PM

Originally Posted by Johnnny5

The video in the above link does not show what happened in the seconds before the officer threw a punch. The video has either been selectively edited, or for some reason the cameras were not able to pick up what was happening [[And I find that highly doubtful considering how many cameras are in a casino).

You know what, I would say that you are a conspiracy theorist but I took a second look at the video and you are right. Just before the cop punched the guy the video skips as if something was cut out. Not saying the guy actually swung at the cop but something is messed up.

**Johnnny5** · September-26-11, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by p1acebo

You know what, I would say that you are a conspiracy theorist but I took a second look at the video and you are right. Just before the cop punched the guy the video skips as if something was cut out. Not saying the guy actually swung at the cop but something is messed up.

Here's a video from Freep.com that shows the entire episode.

http://www.freep.com/article/2011092...text|FRONTPAGE

**DetroitIrishK** · September-26-11, 07:56 PM

My favorite quote from this article is this:

Maria Miller, a spokesperson for the Wayne County Prosecutor’s office, said that the sexual conduct and resisting arrest charges were both dropped.

“The female victim appeared at the preliminary examination and was placed under oath. She informed the judge … that she did not want to prosecute the case,” Miller said. “The case was adjourned for the prosecution to review the videotape of the incident. After a review of the tape it was determined that we did not have sufficient evidence to proceed and the case was dismissed.”

Officers need to be held accountable for their actions

**animatedmartian** · September-26-11, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Johnnny5

Here's a video from Freep.com that shows the entire episode.

http://www.freep.com/article/2011092...text|FRONTPAGE

Just noticed the cop sort of clipped his buddy too. Daaaayum. What a hit.

**Goose** · September-26-11, 08:29 PM

yeah, that second version of the video pretty much shows that the guy did nothing, im sure he was spouting off at the mouth... but that could have been handled differently....

**401don** · September-26-11, 09:08 PM

It really is scary how a cop can be this stupid. He knows there are cameras covering every inch of the casino and yet he can't wait until he gets off the premises. Makes you wonder how he would use his head in a critical situation.

**One Shot** · September-26-11, 09:28 PM

This crap pi$$es me off too. I would never put myself in that position in the first place but wouldn't want a cop on an ego trip clockin me like that. They are paid professionals that are to subdue not retaliate. Especially with all the other help around. I don't care what that guy might have said about his mother. Fired and financially burdened. And don't mind if they drag his buddy down too since he helped fudge the report too.
Now what's that old rap song...?

**corktownyuppie** · September-26-11, 09:32 PM

Seriously. Why can't people just do what they're supposed to do and not do what they're not supposed to do. It's like this whole region has this cloud of emotional dysfunction over it and stupid schitt happens because people don't have the maturity to take ownership and act like leaders.

**Supersport** · September-26-11, 11:17 PM

I've watched this video, over and over, and am really baffled by the responses I've read thus far. I'm going to break this incident down, piece by piece from the beginning, then offer an alternate scenario.

First, this guy committed 4th degree criminal sexual conduct, no denying that. The waitress stated such, the security attempted to remove the guy because of it, and surely, if the cameras are everywhere in the casino, it too was captured on tape.

After this drunk refused to leave, DPD was called. Initially, it seems the guy agreed to leave. Yet while walking out, he then turns on the officers, gets in their face, and points a finger in the one officers face. What happens next is what justifies the use of force. Unless you guys are watching a different video, it seems the guy from Livonia is holding a clinched right fist in the air.

As officers, we don't have to be shot before we can use deadly force to stop a threat. Nor do we have to wait for a drunk with a clinched fist in our face to strike us before we can strike them. Is the concensus here that officers are to be subjected to violence and injury PRIOR to being able to use force on somebody who committed a crime?

After being struck, the guy fell to the ground, knocked out according to his lawyer. I find this funny, considering the guy continues to squirm upon hitting the ground, and then begins resisting the officer, trying to prevent him from handcuffing him. Thus, the officer delivers a couple strikes to him, in an effort to get him cuffed. Is the concensus here that the officer should have continued to struggle with the guy on the ground, risking injury to the officer and his partner, and even possibly allowing the suspect the opportunity to get away?

After the guy is finally cuffed, that's it, he gets escorted away and is off to jail. Yet as is all too common in the city, the victim decides not to press charges. I ask, why not? For all we know, maybe this guy is a high roller at the casino, and maybe somebody convinced her NOT to press charges. Either way, those charges were dropped, as were the other charges, even though the guy is visibly trying to get his right arm free to prevent him from being handcuffed.

Nothing these officers did falls out of line with what is allowed. The guy was drunk, uncooperative, and then turned on the officers, and appears to have raised a fist. This guy now thinks he won the lotto.

Now, let's reverse the roll here. Instead of Detroit, let's move this to Livonia. Instead of a white guy, we'll make him a black guy. Now, this guy gets drunk and decides to play grab ass with the waitress serving him drinks. The bouncers get involved, and he tells them "Fuck off, I'm not leaving" or something to that effect. How do you think Livonia PD would handle a guy that turns on them, raises a fist, and then continues to struggle with them on the ground? If not the exact same outcome, the alternative is the guy getting tazered multiple times. Also, even without the victim, this case could have, and should have been prosecuted. There is undoubtedly video of the offense taking place, and just because the victim doesn't wish to testify doesn't mean there wouldn't be enough proof to possibly convict.

Why do Detroiters tolerate this? Some guy can come into Detroit, get drunk, commit sexual conduct on a person, refuse to leave, confront the officers, raise a fist, and then the outcome gets him a day in court to try and get a payout? As an officer and a citizen of Detroit, I am sickened by this.

The casino should have banned this guy for life. By not doing so, it shows that their patrons are allowed to fondle waitresses without consequences. The chief should release a statement, reviewing the video, and stand behind these officers, explaining why the outcome was justified.This guy wants their jobs? Is he serious? He does realize that he got off scott free for the crime he committed, right?

This is a fine example of so many things. For one, it is one more example of why we should have tazers. This guy would have been dropped, cuffed, and there would be no discussion. Secondly, depending upon the outcome, this could prove to be another fine example of why there are disgruntled officers on the job, moral overall tends to be low, and why this department continues to lose officers to suburban departments and the federal government. We lost our first classmate a few months ago to border patrol, and as it stands, we look to loose several more to federal positions in the coming months and years. Why? Because people realize that it just isn't worth the headaches. By 10 years, I figure over 1/2-3/4 of my classmates will have gone on to MUCH greener pastures.

Now I ask, how would you have dealt with this situation? If you have a better way, then by all means, head on down to 17825 Sherwood and sign up. People are always quick to be critical, but almost always unwilling to step up, put their lives on the line in an attempt to do a better job.

Vox · September-26-11, 11:47 PM

After this drunk refused to leave, DPD was called. Initially, it seems the guy
agreed to leave. Yet while walking out, he then turns on the officers, gets in
their face, and points a finger in the one officers face. What happens next is
what justifies the use of force. Unless you guys are watching a different video,
it seems the guy from Livonia is holding a clinched right fist in the air.

I would be willing to bet that there are witnesses to this "with context" that would put this story to rest. As well as what the officer wrote in his report? The guy may be a drunken perv, but I bet he'll win big for this. Just saying.

**Supersport** · September-26-11, 11:52 PM

He won't win. In Detroit fashion, they will simply pay out a settlement instead. This guy should be headed to jail, and instead, will get a nice settlement. Par for the course, and much of the reason why the city is broke.

**Red Devil** · September-27-11, 12:42 AM

The guy got what was coming to him. Get DPD some tazers.

**Meddle** · September-27-11, 03:38 AM

Yet while walking out, he then turns on the officers, gets in their face, and points a finger in the one officers face.

Tough. Get over it like an adult instead of acting like a schoolyard bully. Maybe they shoulda shot him 54 times like the NYPD thugs did to the wedding goer.

The way Detroit handles things, this guy will be the new Chief in a few weeks.

**rjk** · September-27-11, 04:39 AM

Supersport, if his actions were appropriate why did he feel the need to lie numerous times in his report? This officer either forgot or doesn't know that there are cameras in a casino.

"He drew back his closed right fist and attempted to strike ... I sidestepped his punch and in order to defend myself I struck [[Poisson) in the facial area with a closed right fist ... And with a closed left fist I struck subject in the facial area who was still coming at me," Dudal wrote in his July 31 arrest report.

You'll also notice that the 2nd officer at no time feels that this guy is a threat to harm either of the two of them as he just casually stands there with his hands down by his side.

**Bham1982** · September-27-11, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by Meddle

Tough. Get over it like an adult instead of acting like a schoolyard bully. Maybe they shoulda shot him 54 times like the NYPD thugs did to the wedding goer.

You're referring to the Sean Bell incident, and couldn't be more wrong with your version of events.

The "wedding goer" was a career criminal in a known drug hotspot and overheard on wiretap as going for his "piece" located in his car.

Once the officers approached Sean Bell in his car, he drove the car directly at the approaching officers, sparking the multiple rounds of gunfire.

Re. this incident at MGM, I think there's possibly some room for debate, though whatever this drunkard said does not excuse a sucker punch. There are more reasonable restraints. And there's no excuse whatsover for the lying.

**jcole** · September-27-11, 07:50 AM

How can that be a 'sucker punch' when he was facing the cop in a threatening manner? A sucker punch is a surprise attack from behind

**UpTown** · September-27-11, 08:22 AM

Originally Posted by Supersport

I've watched this video, over and over, and am really baffled by the responses I've read thus far. I'm going to break this incident down, piece by piece from the beginning, then offer an alternate scenario.

First, this guy committed 4th degree criminal sexual conduct, no denying that. The waitress stated such, the security attempted to remove the guy because of it, and surely, if the cameras are everywhere in the casino, it too was captured on tape.

After this drunk refused to leave, DPD was called. Initially, it seems the guy agreed to leave. Yet while walking out, he then turns on the officers, gets in their face, and points a finger in the one officers face. What happens next is what justifies the use of force. Unless you guys are watching a different video, it seems the guy from Livonia is holding a clinched right fist in the air.

As officers, we don't have to be shot before we can use deadly force to stop a threat. Nor do we have to wait for a drunk with a clinched fist in our face to strike us before we can strike them. Is the concensus here that officers are to be subjected to violence and injury PRIOR to being able to use force on somebody who committed a crime?

After being struck, the guy fell to the ground, knocked out according to his lawyer. I find this funny, considering the guy continues to squirm upon hitting the ground, and then begins resisting the officer, trying to prevent him from handcuffing him. Thus, the officer delivers a couple strikes to him, in an effort to get him cuffed. Is the concensus here that the officer should have continued to struggle with the guy on the ground, risking injury to the officer and his partner, and even possibly allowing the suspect the opportunity to get away?

After the guy is finally cuffed, that's it, he gets escorted away and is off to jail. Yet as is all too common in the city, the victim decides not to press charges. I ask, why not? For all we know, maybe this guy is a high roller at the casino, and maybe somebody convinced her NOT to press charges. Either way, those charges were dropped, as were the other charges, even though the guy is visibly trying to get his right arm free to prevent him from being handcuffed.

Nothing these officers did falls out of line with what is allowed. The guy was drunk, uncooperative, and then turned on the officers, and appears to have raised a fist. This guy now thinks he won the lotto.

Now, let's reverse the roll here. Instead of Detroit, let's move this to Livonia. Instead of a white guy, we'll make him a black guy. Now, this guy gets drunk and decides to play grab ass with the waitress serving him drinks. The bouncers get involved, and he tells them "Fuck off, I'm not leaving" or something to that effect. How do you think Livonia PD would handle a guy that turns on them, raises a fist, and then continues to struggle with them on the ground? If not the exact same outcome, the alternative is the guy getting tazered multiple times. Also, even without the victim, this case could have, and should have been prosecuted. There is undoubtedly video of the offense taking place, and just because the victim doesn't wish to testify doesn't mean there wouldn't be enough proof to possibly convict.

Why do Detroiters tolerate this? Some guy can come into Detroit, get drunk, commit sexual conduct on a person, refuse to leave, confront the officers, raise a fist, and then the outcome gets him a day in court to try and get a payout? As an officer and a citizen of Detroit, I am sickened by this.

The casino should have banned this guy for life. By not doing so, it shows that their patrons are allowed to fondle waitresses without consequences. The chief should release a statement, reviewing the video, and stand behind these officers, explaining why the outcome was justified.This guy wants their jobs? Is he serious? He does realize that he got off scott free for the crime he committed, right?

This is a fine example of so many things. For one, it is one more example of why we should have tazers. This guy would have been dropped, cuffed, and there would be no discussion. Secondly, depending upon the outcome, this could prove to be another fine example of why there are disgruntled officers on the job, moral overall tends to be low, and why this department continues to lose officers to suburban departments and the federal government. We lost our first classmate a few months ago to border patrol, and as it stands, we look to loose several more to federal positions in the coming months and years. Why? Because people realize that it just isn't worth the headaches. By 10 years, I figure over 1/2-3/4 of my classmates will have gone on to MUCH greener pastures.

Now I ask, how would you have dealt with this situation? If you have a better way, then by all means, head on down to 17825 Sherwood and sign up. People are always quick to be critical, but almost always unwilling to step up, put their lives on the line in an attempt to do a better job.

Supersport, would you agree, that with all the intense scrutiny that Detroit cops get lately, that thick skin and restraint should be essential? This man was in no way an actual threat to 2 rather well built police officers who should be well trained and disciplined in quick, efficient nullification of suspects. Hell, you can clearly see when Officer Dudal throws that first right hand, his follow through actually hits the 2nd police officer and he merely shrugs it off. And from what the video shows, clearly that first punch put that guys lights out. He was falling like a felled tree. I'd say with a good deal of certainty that the first punch put that guy out. The 2nd punch, and the fall to the floor, put that guy in a daze. I can understand the guy struggling with the officers afterwards, because it is safe to assume the guy had no idea what just happened, and it's a natural reaction to struggle while experiencing intense pain, disorientation, and having the feeling of being piled on by 2 large bodies on top.
I disagree with the statement that tazers should be an absolute. Too many times have we seen the tazer be the first choice, and the fatal choice. Police officers are trained in the art of properly restraining someone without knocking them out of their socks, are they not? If they aren't, then perhaps they should be. Especially when there are two officers present, with one drunk idiot in a crowd full of witnesses and cameras.
Look, this asshat drunk did a criminal act, there is no disputing that. But unfortunately, that act does not justify the officer's actions against him. And ultimately, the officer's actions carry more weight now than the drunk's. Especially considering the false police report submitted that blatantly misrepresented the actual events.

**kraig** · September-27-11, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by Supersport

I've watched this video, over and over, and am really baffled by the responses I've read thus far. I'm going to break this incident down, piece by piece from the beginning, then offer an alternate scenario.

First, this guy committed 4th degree criminal sexual conduct, no denying that. The waitress stated such, the security attempted to remove the guy because of it, and surely, if the cameras are everywhere in the casino, it too was captured on tape.

After this drunk refused to leave, DPD was called. Initially, it seems the guy agreed to leave. Yet while walking out, he then turns on the officers, gets in their face, and points a finger in the one officers face. What happens next is what justifies the use of force. Unless you guys are watching a different video, it seems the guy from Livonia is holding a clinched right fist in the air.

As officers, we don't have to be shot before we can use deadly force to stop a threat. Nor do we have to wait for a drunk with a clinched fist in our face to strike us before we can strike them. Is the concensus here that officers are to be subjected to violence and injury PRIOR to being able to use force on somebody who committed a crime?

After being struck, the guy fell to the ground, knocked out according to his lawyer. I find this funny, considering the guy continues to squirm upon hitting the ground, and then begins resisting the officer, trying to prevent him from handcuffing him. Thus, the officer delivers a couple strikes to him, in an effort to get him cuffed. Is the concensus here that the officer should have continued to struggle with the guy on the ground, risking injury to the officer and his partner, and even possibly allowing the suspect the opportunity to get away?

After the guy is finally cuffed, that's it, he gets escorted away and is off to jail. Yet as is all too common in the city, the victim decides not to press charges. I ask, why not? For all we know, maybe this guy is a high roller at the casino, and maybe somebody convinced her NOT to press charges. Either way, those charges were dropped, as were the other charges, even though the guy is visibly trying to get his right arm free to prevent him from being handcuffed.

Nothing these officers did falls out of line with what is allowed. The guy was drunk, uncooperative, and then turned on the officers, and appears to have raised a fist. This guy now thinks he won the lotto.

Now, let's reverse the roll here. Instead of Detroit, let's move this to Livonia. Instead of a white guy, we'll make him a black guy. Now, this guy gets drunk and decides to play grab ass with the waitress serving him drinks. The bouncers get involved, and he tells them "Fuck off, I'm not leaving" or something to that effect. How do you think Livonia PD would handle a guy that turns on them, raises a fist, and then continues to struggle with them on the ground? If not the exact same outcome, the alternative is the guy getting tazered multiple times. Also, even without the victim, this case could have, and should have been prosecuted. There is undoubtedly video of the offense taking place, and just because the victim doesn't wish to testify doesn't mean there wouldn't be enough proof to possibly convict.

Why do Detroiters tolerate this? Some guy can come into Detroit, get drunk, commit sexual conduct on a person, refuse to leave, confront the officers, raise a fist, and then the outcome gets him a day in court to try and get a payout? As an officer and a citizen of Detroit, I am sickened by this.

The casino should have banned this guy for life. By not doing so, it shows that their patrons are allowed to fondle waitresses without consequences. The chief should release a statement, reviewing the video, and stand behind these officers, explaining why the outcome was justified.This guy wants their jobs? Is he serious? He does realize that he got off scott free for the crime he committed, right?

This is a fine example of so many things. For one, it is one more example of why we should have tazers. This guy would have been dropped, cuffed, and there would be no discussion. Secondly, depending upon the outcome, this could prove to be another fine example of why there are disgruntled officers on the job, moral overall tends to be low, and why this department continues to lose officers to suburban departments and the federal government. We lost our first classmate a few months ago to border patrol, and as it stands, we look to loose several more to federal positions in the coming months and years. Why? Because people realize that it just isn't worth the headaches. By 10 years, I figure over 1/2-3/4 of my classmates will have gone on to MUCH greener pastures.

Now I ask, how would you have dealt with this situation? If you have a better way, then by all means, head on down to 17825 Sherwood and sign up. People are always quick to be critical, but almost always unwilling to step up, put their lives on the line in an attempt to do a better job.

Do the City of Detroit a favor, if you are indeed a cop, quit. It's officers that think the way you are thinking that has us dealing with Consent Decrees and hundreds of millions in lawsuit settlements as it is. And then you'll complain about the lack of equipment that the department has due to financial woes. As it stands, that officers idiotic decision has already cost he and his partner disciplinary action. But let's look at what else it will probably cost. It will wind up being a six figure settlement, which is the cost of about two or three scout cars, four or five guns, ammunition for the guns, several vests, etc.

And yet you're argument is that it should be okay to treat a white guy unfairly in Detroit because they would treat a black guy unfairly in Livonia. The best weapon that a police officer has is his or her brain. Obviously, any officer that would pull a stunt like this in the most video surveilled place around, and then completely lie about it, is unarmed in that regard.

bartock · September-27-11, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by kraig

Do the City of Detroit a favor, if you are indeed a cop, quit. It's officers that think the way you are thinking that has us dealing with Consent Decrees and hundreds of millions in lawsuit settlements as it is. And then you'll complain about the lack of equipment that the department has due to financial woes. As it stands, that officers idiotic decision has already cost he and his partner disciplinary action. But let's look at what else it will probably cost. It will wind up being a six figure settlement, which is the cost of about two or three scout cars, four or five guns, ammunition for the guns, several vests, etc.

And yet you're argument is that it should be okay to treat a white guy unfairly in Detroit because they would treat a black guy unfairly in Livonia. The best weapon that a police officer has is his or her brain. Obviously, any officer that would pull a stunt like this in the most video surveilled place around, and then completely lie about it, is unarmed in that regard.

To Supersport I'd say the only difference between the white guy/Detroit, black guy/Livonia comparison is that instead of a statement from Mr. Mueller, we'd be watching a "Geoff Fieger Press Conference" had this been the latter.