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You're describing lazy, half-assed, cynical City of Detroit-style public involvement, which is a very real problem. Where you're losing me is where you propose to solve this problem by getting rid of...

If you're not getting good public input, you're doing it wrong. Doing public involvement right isn't easy, but there are lots of resources out there for agencies that genuinely want to prioritize it,...

If freeways were progress, Detroit would be the most advanced city on the face of the earth.

I agree that this project is probably going to happen no matter what anybody thinks about it, but I also think there's value in simply complaining about bad policy. If enough people complain loudly...

To the best of my knowledge, this is correct. However, it doesn't necessarily follow that city leaders in the 1940s and 50s knew what they were doing or made good decisions.

There is no evidence whatsoever that this is what happens when cities reduce their urban freeway capacity.

The Cadillac-Harper isn't a crosstown route.

There's already a Tireman bus. The Grand Belt bus used to run through New Center and past Henry Ford Hospital out to McGraw, and now it doesn't. Why?...

There's already a crosstown bus. It runs down Warren and parts of Forest, from St. John's to Rouge Park. It has extremely heavy peak-hour ridership; I've been on it more than once where it's passed...

How was the M-5 extension not "a whole new road?" There wasn't a road there before, and now there is. It seems like a pretty straightforward example to me.

You can cherry-pick examples on either side. Look at Grand River, for instance. The part of it near downtown is okay, the part out past Schaefer is okay, and the part in between that has the Jeffries...

I'm not sure what your point is. What I mean by "reasonably healthy" isn't "the businesses there appeal to Gistok's sensibilities" or "the businesses there now are the same ones that were there 35...

Are those places catering mostly to freeway through traffic, or to people who live and/or work nearby? I don't have data or anything, but that whole stretch of Harper is a reasonably healthy...

The way you get people to stop and shop in a place is to have things there that are worth stopping for or shopping at, not to give them improved freeway access. At least, assuming that we're still...

Invest in a map and learn your way around town. I promise this is a cheaper option than building you a service drive so you don't have to get lost.

I think this article, written by former Milwaukee mayor John Norquist, makes some interesting points that are somewhat relevant to this thread: