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I've thought about it, and I think the pensioners should fight to the death.

Then when its all over, and they get little to nothing .... future municipal workers will realize that its time to...

Of course. If they'd joined the SS system, then they would have paid into this very large pension plan -- rather than believing they could do better on their own. Turns out they couldn't. Turns...

Thanks for the info. I thought that since P&F did their own retirement thing, they might be 'on their own'. Do I recall that they discussed joining SS? Maybe some retirees saw that the trustees...

Again, I am not knowledgeable here... but aren't workplace injuries covered by insurance already? Private employers are required [[mostly) to carry Workmans Compensation insurance for on-the-job...

I am not well-informed here, but why is retiree healthcare coverage a big concern. We have Medicare. We have Obamacare. Combined, don't we socially provide decent coverage? I thought that was the...

Where do you factor in the self-'FUCKING OVER' by the pension trustees and their 'workers invest with us to screw current pensioners' plan?