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How sad. The crooks in Detroit don't even just hold you up anymore. They shoot first, ask for your money after.
50K reward might get someone to roll over, but in the end Detroit loses another business owner and his business to crime while notching another mark in the 187 column.
When will it end?
I get so sick of this shit.
So what happens when the Chaldeans don't want to operate businesses in the city anymore because they're getting killed by the local population? The gas station owners are already scared to death. Even with hyper security unknown in the rest of the civilized world they're still getting massacred. Then when they're gone there will be literally NO retail left. They're all that's going on outside of downtown. There's going to be nothing left to steal in this godforsaken city. Then what?
You don't have to be running a store to face a gun anymore - you can just be driving along an expressway in or near Detroit:
The guy this morning on his way to work on I-94 at Cadieux who pulled off to dislodge a plastic bag causing his minivan to overheat and was robbed at gunpoint right there:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/B...t/-/index.html
The lady driving on Southfield near Oakwood Hospital yesterday who was bumped, got out and two 14 year olds with guns carjacked her. They crashed in Detroit and got away so more mayhem in store:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/W...j/-/index.html
All in what, 48 hours, along with God knows what else?Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
And here come the rotten vegetables...but shit like this SERIOUSLY tempers any excitement I feel over FiatChryler renting out a couple floors downtown.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by poobert
If the numbers were adjusted for population shrinkage, Detroit is more dangerous now than it was in the 1970s and 1980s, despite what some people claim.
Wow – 14 year old kids!! I have a 14-year-old son – and all he cares about is playing football, going to the batting cage, and girls [[in that order).Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
Its just getting worse each day. You keep thinking it can't get worse but it does. I really feel sorry for the people that come in here from different parts of the country and people give them all this positive Detroit talk. I would advise people to live somewhere else. The criminals are running this city.
And don't start blaming the cops. In my opinion the community-appeasing judges deserve a lot of blame and everyone forgets about their role in the crime mess. Just today a Circuit Court judge handed down a pretty short sentence to a 25 yr old who shot a police officer five times. That used to be, in more lawful times in Detroit, a one-way ticket to life in prison. Now it gets you only 14 years:
After Monday's hearing, Matthews derided Boykin's statement. "The guidelines aren't lenient," he said. "The judge was lenient."
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1teVlaYd4
And who can forget about Circuit Court Judge Vonda Evans who let out a four time felon for a mere $500 for Easter, which time he used to intimidate a witness in his trial for torturing a guy with red-hot forks over a pair of tennis shoes.
Please remember these people when it comes time to vote!
Part of the problem is the prisons are already filled to capacity, or over-capacited, and the judges pretty much know that the criminals will be released anyway after so long, even if they order them to the harshest sentence in the books.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
Either this guy is a complete moron or there is more to the story. He, according to his own statements, is so terrified of driving through Detroit he buys a gun to have with him at all times when on I94 to protect himself just in case he breaks down. So, what happens? He breaks down and some how gets robbed of both his money AND his gun within seconds of pulling to the side of the road. Really!?! The story [[as reported), sort of strains credulity doesn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
One would think the ONE thing the guy who is so terrified of being broken down in Detroit would do is to pull out the gun the second he thinks he's going to need to pull over....at the very least, the moment he puts the car in park.
I'm not "blaming the victim"...I'm calling bullshit. If it's true..we'll, I guess I'm just a cynic.
Nothing sounds off about the story to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bailey
When people say they carry their guns "all the time", they don't literally mean "all the time." Who the hell would think they'd need a gun just to do what he did [[quickly remove a pastic bag from the Engine of his car), especially in a supposedly "nice" part of town? That's completely different from the car not running at all, and needing a tow truck or repair right then and there
Most men I know in Detroit have CCW's now. Its not because they are all terrified - its pretty common. So this guy may have been just one of them. But they already had their guns on him and they told him that they'd kill him if he moved. I don't know - I've seen that many times on television and pretty much the good guy steps down - on tv its a natural plot device only until later. In this case, he just stepped down. Before it was "for protection." NOW he says he is terrified.
I have a friend who stopped to see an old friend in Detroit a year or so ago-when he got there the business was closed/abandoned. Surprised, he circled around to the alley and there his van fell into a huge hole that seemed engineered. Out of the alley emerged some big guys with guns. My friend did have a CCW but had left his weapon in his shop. He was trying to fend the guys off when a DTE truck, accompanied by DTE's private security, happened to turn down the alley and save his life.
"Who", you ask? THIS GUY. THIS GUY IS THE ONE WHO WOULD THINK IT. Breaking down on I94 was, according to his statement, THE reason he had a gun.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
If he felt that strongly about it, so strongly he stated it to the Press, then why is it sitting in the glove box? Oh yeah, "within seconds" of pulling over the highway robbers were on him. much too quickly to get the gun he CARRIED FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT HE WAS AFRAID TO BREAK DOWN IN DETROIT.
again, maybe my BS detector is off, but it's a little too convienent isnt it? I mean the ONE thing he feared.... the stuff of urban legend...being attacked by highway robbers in a "nice" part of town.... within "seconds" of breaking down... happens? I'm going to say we havent heard the whole story.
Far more stranger things have happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by bailey
While he had his back turned to bend over in his hood, anyone nearby could have pulled a gun out and aimed it at him, in that short of a time span. If anything, the guy had too much faith in this surroundings that day, even given his situation that otherwise shouldn't have required a gun at hand.
His intentions were to quickly get out, pull the plastic bag from his engine, and continue on with his commute. That's completely different form being stranded for a significant period of time with no running motor what so ever.
I doubt he went looking for trouble, or that he was asking for trouble to greet him.
I think I addressed this here before as the natural next step. With all the stories about homeowners and shopkeepers shooting bad guys, it's only natural that the bad guys will start shooting as soon as they walk in.Quote:
Originally Posted by TKshreve
As to the guy on the freeway --- do we know for sure the robbery really occurred? Or could he have made the story up to cover the loss of the gun somehow?
I imagine there were a few witnesses on I94 at Cadieux. Odd that you would rationalize even this episode. If someone making up something like that they would use a more private place in thecstory - an alley or something.
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Originally Posted by bailey
Something definitely stinks, me thinks.
Back to the OP. Was there a history at this store? Previous robberies? Was there a gun behind the counter? If so, could the thief have known about it?
It was the 1st of the month, he was just opening up and he had extra cash to cash checks. Soon there will be no one willing to run a small business in Detroit. Absolutely no respect for life. There are to many animals on the loose. How else do you justify so many ruthless killings?
Sad stories like this can really take the momentum out of all the great things happening in Detroit. I am considering a move from Saginaw to Detroit in March of next year [[ I don't think there is much of a difference in crime between the two per capita) but we have stories like this here as well. I find my self disgusted with the animals who run through these cities. I really believe the police should have a very strict no tolerance policy and hope the state invests much more heavily in police. These people are disgusting and need to be locked away or just shot. I also consider myself to be fairly liberal but people who blame this type of thing on the lack of jobs or education that an area has are ridiculous. I had many family members who grew up poor and they never went around attacking innocent people [[or any people for that matter). These types of people don't want jobs, they are a menace to society and need to be dealt with in the harshest of manners.
I got stuck on a Los Angeles freeway in 1990 at Baldwin Park. I pulled from the very left to the right lane after the timing chain broke on this old Lincoln Continental my girlfriend had just bought. I told her and her mom who we had just picked up at LAX to lock the doors etc... while I ran to the phone at the exit luckily about 500 ft in front of the car. I had a CAA card, and called AAA and ran backto the car in less than 5 minutes. I felt we were easy game at 3 Oclock in the AM. Sure enough a guy stopped and asked if he could help; me and my buddy are mechanics he said. The back window [[electric) wouldnt close fully [[2 inches open) but I said no and the guy asked if we had 20 bucks to buy gas and Itold him we were broke. He left.
Next came the AAA guys. I dont even know if they were 18. They bummed cigarettes off my GF, and then told us to duck while we sat in the car so the cops woudlnt spot us. Sure enough, as they hauled us to the motel 6 across the viaduct, CHIPS came by and shot their spotlight on us, stopped the AAA driver and handed him a ticket, he didnt even have a licence to drive. At the motel, a security guard was walking on the roof, another in the lot; I asked the guy how the neighborhood was; he answered: Welcome to Baldwin Park: "The highest murder rate in the state of California"; with a big fat grin on his face. To ths day, I dont know if it was true, but the next day, as we walked to the garage a couple of blocks from the motel, I noticed how everything in L.A. looked clean and less altered by decay than in our neck of the woods.
Anyways, its plausible that if you break down in Detroit, some pirate is on the lookout for an easy prey and happens on it at the right moment. IMHO.
Crime is up in every hood of the drrty D. Here in Corktown the crime jumped off as soon as 2012 arrived. Several vehicles have been stolen from my neighbors and broken into around the businesses. A guy tried to steal the chaldean store owners car from him last month and he had to pull the heat out to chase him off. Numerous break-ins and attempted break-ins have occurred, including my own crib which was burglerized by a crackfiend back in Feb. The day after that, a guy was robbed at gunpoint and pistolwhipped a block away on Bagley. Then on Valentines day, a guy opened fire in front of my place to deter a guy who was attempting to carjack him and his girl.
The crime has been on jam ever since. Just a few days ago my neighbors truck was stolen in broad daylight while he was home and someone tried to break into my building again in the middle of the night.
But my thoughts are always with these business owners who are becoming easy targets, like sitting ducks. We often take their continual presence in our community for granted.
If you so much as show a firearm in the act of committing a crime, you should NEVER be allowed out of jail. Also, I think more citizens [[including store owners/staff) need to carry firearms, and be trained to use them. Right now, criminals are fully aware that unless they happen to hold up a place with a cop, they are likely not going into a fair fight. Holding up a store right now in Detroit, you can be pretty sure you will be the only one with a gun. If lots of criminals start getting creamed by their would-be victims, I think it might give them pause. Other things, like visible indoor and outdoor cameras, bright lighting, large windows making inside easily visible, etc. But most importantly, we need citizens willing to drop a dime on these thugs. Someone you know have a gun and come into some unexplained cash? Unfortunately, I think we have a somewhat crime-tolerant citizenry. I am reminded of Ed Koch's statement when told a mugging victim wanted leniency for his attacker. Said the [[liberal!) mayor: "Mug him again." God Bless Ed Koch.
Note, this is not academic to me. I have been held up at gun point [[in New York), and I know personally a murder victim [[in Detroit).
I Agree Mikey. These people should be dealt with in the harshest way. These people are the reason Detroit is in the shape it is.
Bring "Capitol Punishment" or the "Death Penalty" in here, that should help. Hopefully some of these clowns might think twice before commiting heinous crimes.
Well, Cincinnati, I don't quite agree with you. I have no real moral problem with a person guilty of a heinous act being executed, if that is proscribed in the law. But in reality, the death penalty has lots of problems. First, there is always the chance you will kill an innocent person. Granted, most people on death row did receive fair trials and are guilty. But you can't unexecute someone if proven wrong later. Also- and this is really the main reason for my practical opposition to the death penalty- it takes in most cases a decade or more, plus many millions of dollars, to handle a death penalty case. Aside from all the cost and aggravation, most people condemned to death end up dying a natural death anyway. All it takes is one judge, one legal quirk, etc. It ends up neither making us any safer than life sentences, nor provides closure to the victims family. Victim's families, while they want both justice and closure, are denied either with years upon years of new trials, appeals, and waiting eternally for it all to end. If there is no death sentence, there are no automatic appeals, and the wheels of justice move more quickly by years. The legal costs exceed the costs of jailing someone for life. In NY, they reinstated the death penalty in 1995. It added years of appeals to cases, millions in costs to the taxpayers, and no one has been executed. And a court ultimately ruled the law unconstitutional in the state [[although the death penalty per se isn't unconstitutional in NY, the specific law they passed didn't cut the mustard). A hard, dull life in prison should be the end of the line for our worst criminals. In my opinion. But I do share the aggravation that a murderer gets to take another breath and his victims do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid
Yeah, it just doesn't make sense. Where are the parents?Quote:
Originally Posted by AGinthe313
There more than likely never was a father in the picture. When I was a young child the worst thing you could hear your mother say when you did something wrong was 'You just wait until your father gets home.'Quote:
Originally Posted by 48091
All those places have a gun behind the counter. Some have two or three.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
As a life long Detroiter it is sad to see what has happened to Dexter and other once nice thoroughfares. I rarely drive down it now. It's simply not safe and while liquor stores like this are usually harshly judged for their um seeming 'omni-presence', they have an importance beyond selling booze to the mostly 'captive audience' they serve who often cannot go elsewhere.
From the video and testimonies and comments it's obviously this man was an integral fixture of that area. And while there is this loved/ hate relationship being played out daily on both ends relative to Caldean and Arabic merchants and Detroiters, I'd say these merchants have much to contend with. And if they leave it would be interesting to see who'd replace them?
Who else has financial and social business infrastructure or the 'nerve' to set up shop and attempt to strive as the Arab, Caldean and Korean's do daily....?
If this kind of thing keeps up and they finally give up and get out of Detroit the consumers of their goods will have even fewer options.
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Originally Posted by poobert
People in Detroit have to drive to the suburbs now to get services, like restaurants and retail. It would make more sense to stop carrying cash in these stores, only deal with debit cards and link cards. No cash. Simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
I have family in Detroit and only visit maybe once a year, but after reading these stories, I'll stay in Chicago. It's a bit safer, believe it or not.
I hear you... Who can judge those who simply want to minimize their exposure to wanton crime. Unless crime is curtailed in Detroit many will not visit and many have changed their lifestyles to try to avoid becoming a victim. I know I have. I do little grocery or other shopping in the city, especially the first of the month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicago48
The problem is that the vast majority of the patrons of these establishments have no cards outside of their food stamps card[[which doesn't buy anything but food). I go to the corner store quite frequently, for staples and as I am an alcohol enthusiast, and always feel strange to be paying with a credit card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chicago48
I mean, there's a reason they all advertise money orders. People have no credit and no bank accounts.
RIP Mr. Dally. I would that we could find out who did this. I doubt DPD will be able to solve this. Hopefully, the store has cameras and a license plate can be read.
Might we increase our welfare state to a European level so that fewer people live this way? Are these rock bottom taxes and lifetime welfare limits worth it? Humanity discourages and encourages with near equal force.
There is no measurable deterrent in the death penalty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid
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Originally Posted by laphoque
I'd say the minus-one in the potential future perpetrator column is significant enough.
Just sayin'...
This is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by laphoque
One has to assume these criminals are actually afraid of death. Many of them are committing the crimes they're committing in the first place because they have absolutely nothing to lose and they want to make the lives of others miserable.If they have nothing else to live for, then why should they fear the loss of their life?
People in the US freaked when unemployment hit 9%. In France, the second largest economy in Europe, 9% is the *average* Germany, the largest economy, is in the same ballpark - around 8%. The average in the mean old US during the same time period was 5-6%, which is pretty close to the natural rate [[which I believe is around 4%)Quote:
Originally Posted by laphoque
If you are for an extensive welfare system, then you must be OK with relatively high unemployment. You can't make it expensive to pay someone to work, give people money to not work, then expect low unemployment.
A member of Detroit city Council says he's tired and why:
"At this point in time, my contribution has come to its limit and end," Kenyatta said. "I think politics in the city of Detroit is no longer people oriented, people based. I'm also frustrated by a sense of lawlessness in the streets, a lack of direction."
From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz1tif2mO6F
I think laphoque means that the dealth penalty isn't a measurable deterrent of future crimes committed by others [[at least that's what I understood).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannon
I don't think laphoque expressed whether or not society would be better off with the killing off of an already convicted felon.
That said, if one's facing the death penalty, then they're already a perpetrator [[they don't have to become one in the future).
If that's referring to Kwame Kenyatta, the main reason he's stepping down is because of the Consent Agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
That say more about him than anyone else in the city.
Right. They also don't think they are going to get caught. [[If they are thinking at all beyond the next few minutes.)Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
If the race card theory is correct. An African American Male, somewhat in the mid 20s to mid 30s no job, on drugs, comming from a broken Detroit ghettohood home decided give up on society, pull a piece and shot a Chaldean liquor store owner point blank.
This is truly the end of Black Detroit!
BTW it will take an awful lot to scare chaldeans out of Detroit.
This is about the only place in the country where their [[by and large) sub-par stores and poor business practices are accepted, since they have a monopoly over the retail in the city.
For them, stepping out from the security booth to make any improvements is like playing Russian roulette. I don't really blame them for not giving a shit about their customers, many of whom are quite eager to rob and murder them. When I go to the store I'm much more concerned about the other customers than I am about the owners or the conditions of the store.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
The question is how much of that is a negative feedback loop?Quote:
Originally Posted by poobert
If you run a shitty fortress of a store and sell loosies, mad dog, and marked up spoiled food from behind a bullet proof wall, what clientele are you going to attract?
But, of course, you need to cater your store to the clientele most likely to walk through the door.....
So, I guess the question is; which negative feed back is feeding the loop?
Nobody is going to open a Spartan store or a fruit stand hoping that Detroiter's wake up and realize what is best for them. Sorry charlie. It would be just another target for theft and robbery.Quote:
Originally Posted by bailey
I'm having a hard time remembering when Dexter was a nice thoroughfare. I remember it as one of the worst of the worst many years back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
While Dexter near Davison has been going downhill since the 1970s, at least through the early 1990s that thoroughfare, like most in inner-city Detroit, still had some semblance of lower-end retail establishments that lined the street. Since the early 1990s, the decline has accelrated triple fold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
As you can see in the picture, that liquor store was about the only retail establishment left on that part of Dexter.
According to Dr. Flemming's agrument of "White People Built Detroit and Blacks were invited in". Detroit today is run mostly by second wave of the black families from most southern "Dixieland States" They brought with them their "Field Negro" mentality Detroit. Not only these second wave of black families accelerated white flight to the suburbs, they also chase the first wave of African American families who built Black Bottom and Paradise Valley away. The second wave African American families were having problems adapting to the premature segregation from mostly white folks.
When the "white flight" to the suburbs continue to this day, the second wave of African American families [[ who migrated to Detroit) settled in first wave African American communities like Black Bottom and Paradise Valley [[including the fast growing Jewish communities.) They came looking for work from the automobile factories to working with the black and white owners. After 1967 riots to the mid 1970s, white folks took their businesses to the suburbs. Most of them shutting their manufacturing plants down due the OPEC oil crisis that led to booming foriegn car efficient market. When the car plants slowly closed, the second wave of black folks have a lack of education. The second wave of black families were having trouble finding work. So they turned to life of petty crime to hard crime. This is from robbing first wave black Detroit shops to white owned Detroit shops to joining gangs either to sell or do drugs. That brought fear to first wave Black Detroiters that they move to suburbs by the early 1980s. [[Not only because they followed the Jews and middle class Whites to Southfield, Oak Park, Lathrup Village, Farmington Hills and West Bloomfield TWP ect... but also to get away from the murder, madness and mayhem and their "Plantation Politics" coming from second wave Black Detroiters).
Today there are more second wave [[ low and fixed income) Black Detroiters living their ghettoes, looking for easy way out, than first wave Black Detroiters. Some of these second wave Black Detroiters will continue to give up on society by going to life of crime, family domestic violence, hanging with gangs or forming their cliques and looking feeble hope of their plantation politicians who are working the Detroit City Government or going to any strorefront or mega churches.
I agree with your point, but Lafayette Foods is a Spartan store.Quote:
Originally Posted by TKshreve
http://www.lafayettefoods.com/
... Years ago.. wasn't Metro Detroit Youth Day on Belle Isle designed to at least partially address these ongoing beefs with inner-city merchants/community members? with the shooting at the gas station over condoms, now this... "almost nothing" has changed in some respects..
Have you ever stopped to think about why Chaldean's own all the small business in Detroit? There were no Chaldean's in what is now called ChaldeanQuote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
Town before 1967. I lived on Brush st. through the 50s and 60s. Chaldean's started arriving in the late 60s after the riots. They started buying up party stores in that area and worked there asses off 24/7 to make a living. When they made enough money they brought over more relatives and gave them jobs and keep expanding. In the mean time the white flight was in full swing and they had no problem buying up every retail in the area.
Where were the black business people during that time? There is no reason other than not wanting to work hard at menial job that there are not more black owned business in Detroit.
As far as your complaint about there poor business practice they now own stores and gas stations etc. all across the state. Outside of Detroit where there is respect for property they run a clean business or they don't have have any business.
Kwame Kenyatta commenting today from his informed chair [[taken from an article just posted on Deadline Detroit):
Kenyatta also pointed to the lack of leadership and lawlessness in the streets.“I don’t feel, you know, that there’s nobody in charge. So, you know, by the time I kill this person, shoot this person, rape this person, the police ain’t coming so I can do all that I need to do and go on about my business. That is not where we need to be and it’s unfortunate that that’s where we are,” he said.
Always fun to hear someone that IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN CHARGE lament the fact that "no one" is in charge.Quote:
Originally Posted by SWMAP
Fuck you Kwame. Go now. don't wait until the end of your term. Just go.
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Originally Posted by Wheels
You cannot possibly be that stupid.....
Oh, do elaborate! Passive-agressiveness is not a response. I want to hear this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detroit Stylin
Consider the source and let it go.Quote:
Originally Posted by kathy2trips
That is an insulting, and extremely stupid, thing to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
And to be on topic it sucks monumentally another person lost his life for no reason.
I would like to see a mass rally on behalf of the deceased store owner as there was for the deceased customer shot dead at another gas station. This is still as senseless act of violence
You are asking for an "old-time" schooling from Jjaba with that comment!Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
Paging Jjaba, on the Dexter/Davison bus... where art thou?
Most of them flight to the suburbs or any other successful American city not just because the follow white folks with the money, but to get away from the mayhem coming from second wave black folks who didn't get a solid good education, playing house, making babies, doing and selling drugs, joining gangs and getting into a life of crime like they don't care about life or other people's repect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
Folks, fixing any black, white, Asians, Mexicans or alien communities in the ghettoes starts with the family:
1. Fix the family, fix the home.
2. Fix the home, fix the community.
3. fix the community, fix the infrastructure.
4. fix the infrastructure, fix the ecomony.
5 fix the ecomony, fix the nation.
6. fix the nation, fix the world.
And then trouble will be reduced to trickle in the ground, easy to be stumped out.
There will be no perfect utopia in Earth, but in God's Kingdom.
There's also the small issue of financing. Many Arabs and Chaldeans make use of family connections to finance their business ventures. That's an option most black Detroiters simply do not have available to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
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Originally Posted by Johnnny5
No Johnny5....remember let the small minded continue to consider the source and let it go....
Facts only cause them to realize their myopic way of thinking is fatally flawed...
An observation is not a fact. If you have any facts lets hear them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Detroit Stylin
From my observation there were a lot of family's pooling together and sharing living space and sharing responsibility to run a business. There was no fairy Godmother that handed them the keys.
I kinda agree w wheel,here and not just about Chaldeans ,Albanians w the coneys in the hood did the same thing,families lived together and worked together, very common to have a few generations living in the same home/working at the family businessQuote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
That didn't involve drugs or thuggery.Quote:
Originally Posted by GUSHI
I learned the hard way. Those of you that live in town should probably be extra careful when you go to the gas station. Seems like Im always reading about some bad thing or another happening at gas stations in the city.
Who needs fact when you can say they were simply a bunch of lazy nig....sQuote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
Most started by working low wage jobs, 16 hours a day 7 days a week along with other family members and pooling it together to open a business. They didn't have any special family financing. They opened stores in some horrible areas and the whole family worked all day. Its not possible for most Detroiters since they can't even shovel their sidewalk or mow their grass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnnny5
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Most started by working low wage jobs, 16 hours a day 7 days a week along with other family members and pooling it together to open a business. They didn't have any special family financing. They opened stores in some horrible areas and the whole family worked all day.
<----Wow, that probably wasn't necessary. But anyway...Quote:
Its not possible for most Detroiters since they can't even shovel their sidewalk or mow their grass.
Actually, having access to free/low cost labor is something that most non-immigrants don't have. The fact is that most ghetto shopkeepers posses the one or more of the following characteristics 1)education 2)experience, 3)access to free/low cost labor 4)capital 5)some deficiency that obstructs access to safer, high quality wage work[[like low English skills).
These individuals are savvy AND hard working AND probably have some advantages that helped make them successful. Telling the story any other way sells everyone short.
I really hate to agree with this guy...Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveJ
but working in your fathers' store 7 days a week keeps you busy and keeps cash in your pocket. The family unity is also absolutely tribal. You see the opposite in the rest of Detroit with no father and total idleness, sitting around, blaring music, looking for trouble. Then we see the results. It's the elephant in the room, frankly. Dancing around it with amorphous phrases like "access to special financing" is idiotic.
Yep. Alot of it boils down to values, VALUES, V-A-L-U-E-S!
Dysfunctional homes, families, lack of leadership, work ethic and lack of appropriate values in general all make up the 'elephant'. Couple this with a complete distortion of delayed gratification or understanding of how one gains wealth and self worth from effort and choices or taking pride in simple accomplishments. Instead the 'bling' factor too often rules...
Case in point a friends teen age son being called a 'chump' as he walks by on his way to his McDonalds job last summer as his peers [[sic) 'chill' sitting on their porch dreaming of long cash and fancy high profile cars they could never insure. Never less pay a car note on. Now there are even less jobs for teens - even the fast food ones, as adults with degrees are competing for these jobs.
Eroding family unity abounds - not just in the urban setting, but the outworking here in Detroit is highly connected to homicides from the drive to get the fast cash and street cred: 'respect'.
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Originally Posted by poobert
Yes! Say it loud!Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
It was nicer back in the 70's up thru early 90's. I used to see a chiropractor on Dexter and I can remember an African, jazz dance and martial arts studio in one of the store fronts on Dexter. Several independent shops and stores flanked Davison and Dexter... nearly all gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle