Poor Christine Beatty -- NOT!

http://www.freep.com/article/2009122...8tMGZqOAE6Y%3D

Freep staff writer Joe Swickard's story on C. Beatty got me a little pissed. Oh, yes, now she's a single mom trying to make ends meet and rebuild her life, no longer the high-flying city official who, when caught speeding by patrolmen, asked them if they knew "who the $[[#*" she was. No longer the woman who treated cops doing their duty "worse than dope men." No longer calling the chief of police on the phone to avoid a ticket. No longer the corrupt chief of staff colluding with a criminal mayor on how to fire honest cops.

You know what? You give people power, and power tests them. They do something wrong, and it shows they didn't deserve that power. Are we supposed to feel sorry for her facing her comeuppance? For falling from power that corrupted her so completely?

I just want her to disappear so I never have to see her name again. Don't set up anybody up for a comeback, please. CB: We know exactly who the $%*# you are.

It was an interesting juxtaposition, CB's situation, compared with her former paramour's. But it did strike me as presuming a lot, without an interview with her, to say that she's learned more from the incident than KK did.
How can we know?

We can't. I think Swickard is hinting at a double-standard when it comes to the way they're being treated. But there's a double-standard, too, in seeing Kwame's crimes clearly and seeming so sympathetic to the "woman done wrong." If CB's a victim, she has only herself to blame.

Something in the back of my head makes me believe that her and KK have a lot of money stashed away. Bobby F got a lot of work out of those two, don't tell me that some of that profit didn't go back to CB and KK.

I agree, Softrail....if not, how has she survived all this time with no income? I mean, how do you buy food and pay the utility bills, school clothes etc without ANY income? I don't believe anything either one of them say. They are both accomplished liars. I have no sympathy for them. If it were any one of us that did these things, we would be languishing in jail for many many years. As the saying goes...power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Something in the back of my head makes me believe that her and KK have a lot of money stashed away. Bobby F got a lot of work out of those two, don't tell me that some of that profit didn't go back to CB and KK.

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If they weren't smart enough to figure out that those text messages on their city owed cell phones wouldn't eventually show up somewhere...then they weren't smart enough to stash some money somewhere...that's what happens when you use your genitalia to think with.

"Kilpatrick and his family now lease a $1-million mini-mansion in swanky Southlake, Texas, outside Dallas. The ex-mayor's credit card shows payments of $158 at a nail salon, nearly $600 at a Gucci shop and $15,000 on elective plastic surgery for his wife, Carlita Kilpatrick."

If the Kilpatricks are so broke, how does Carlita afford THAT? That kind of thing ticks me off...

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"Kilpatrick and his family now lease a $1-million mini-mansion in swanky Southlake, Texas, outside Dallas. The ex-mayor's credit card shows payments of $158 at a nail salon, nearly $600 at a Gucci shop and $15,000 on elective plastic surgery for his wife, Carlita Kilpatrick."

If the Kilpatricks are so broke, how does Carlita afford THAT? That kind of thing ticks me off...

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If my friends were paying my bills I could afford to shop at Gucci's, get my hair and nails done every week, and have a little body work done too.....:p

I don't feel sorry for her, but I think her story provides a good lesson for women on why they should not get romantically involved with their boss, especially if he is married and is a rotten crook.

Sleep with dogs, wake up with fleas.

She's such a beautiful woman. My guess is that she put a flag over his face and did it for the country.

With all of the money KK is languishing in, you can bet he's sending her money monthly to help her live. She's leasing a Land Rover, for pete's sake. You can't live that on unemployment, and I'm not buying their story about how she's living on her savings -- that would have run out long ago. I think KK is sending her hush money and will continue to do so until the statute of limitations expires on his crimes.

It looks like she is doing what she needs to do. So I will assume the best and wish her the best of luck.

Leave her alone. Don't you people have anything better to do!!!!!!!!!

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With all of the money KK is languishing in, you can bet he's sending her money monthly to help her live. She's leasing a Land Rover, for pete's sake. You can't live that on unemployment, and I'm not buying their story about how she's living on her savings -- that would have run out long ago. I think KK is sending her hush money and will continue to do so until the statute of limitations expires on his crimes.

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When she came out of jail they said she only had $7.50.

While I don't feel sorry for her, I certainly have more patience with her than Kilpatrick. She resigned early on, and didn't drag the scandal out; did her jail time; and has been repaying her debt to the city, without help from Peter Karmanos or other rich business.

No, I don't like her, and I'm not trying to defend what she did. But she doesn't make me anywhere near as angry as Kilpatrick.

She did the crime, she paid the time, she has been humiliated and excoriated by the press and the blogosphere. Let her live her life and move on.

I don't believe it is cognitive dissonance, at all, to recognize what she did to herself and the city, and to also recognize that women in these situations almost always come out the worst for them.

In the two stories done on her, I didn't see anything begging us to elicit sympathy for her, rather to paint a realistic picture of the outcomes of these type of affairs. To often when a lot of folks read these things, they feel as if they have to take sides. Guess what? You can actually think more deeply about something than that. I know, surprise, right?

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Originally Posted by Detroitnerd

http://www.freep.com/article/2009122...8tMGZqOAE6Y%3D

Freep staff writer Joe Swickard's story on C. Beatty got me a little pissed. Oh, yes, now she's a single mom trying to make ends meet and rebuild her life, no longer the high-flying city official who, when caught speeding by patrolmen, asked them if they knew "who the $[[#*" she was. No longer the woman who treated cops doing their duty "worse than dope men." No longer calling the chief of police on the phone to avoid a ticket. No longer the corrupt chief of staff colluding with a criminal mayor on how to fire honest cops.

You know what? You give people power, and power tests them. They do something wrong, and it shows they didn't deserve that power. Are we supposed to feel sorry for her facing her comeuppance? For falling from power that corrupted her so completely?

I just want her to disappear so I never have to see her name again. Don't set up anybody up for a comeback, please. CB: We know exactly who the $%*# you are.

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Right on Detroitnerd.

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Originally Posted by Blueidone

I agree, Softrail....if not, how has she survived all this time with no income? I mean, how do you buy food and pay the utility bills, school clothes etc without ANY income? I don't believe anything either one of them say. They are both accomplished liars. I have no sympathy for them. If it were any one of us that did these things, we would be languishing in jail for many many years. As the saying goes...power corrupts....absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Right on again, Blueidone.

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Originally Posted by Lowell

She did the crime, she paid the time, she has been humiliated and excoriated by the press and the blogosphere. Let her live her life and move on.

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Sorry Lowell, you and I are at the opposite end of the poles on this one. You don't just do the crime and then do your time. You spend your life making up for the bad you've done. As it should be. Soon enough, she'll be back to practicing law with a politically connected law firm. I'm hoping all will NOT be forgotten. It shouldn't be. She doesn't necessarily have to pay for the rest of her life, but if she has any conscience, she'll never forget what took place. It'll be with her every day of her life. She's awfully lucky compared to most stiffs who experience a conviction. Look at people who've experienced a sex related offense. They get run out of towns and states. And, I believe she still has her law license. CB mixed corruption with arrogance. Her fall was long and hard. Thuuuuuuud. Too bad.

Thinking deeply? Empathy? Sympathy? Feelings? Relating to? All good concepts in their proper place. I save those for people who realize the wrongs they committed and work at correcting and paying back for those wrongs. I've had to scrutinize my actions in my life and at times apologize and make good. I've never remotely approached doing what CB and KK did. I still look at myself in the mirror. I'm not comparing CB's wrongdoings to KK's, but she was wrong nonetheless. She has to deal with it. If people capping on her is part of the deal - so be it. I'm still angry about what took place.

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Thinking deeply? Empathy? Sympathy? Feelings? Relating to? All good concepts in their proper place. I save those for people who realize the wrongs they committed and work at correcting and paying back for those wrongs. I've had to scrutinize my actions in my life and at times apologize and make good. I've never remotely approached doing what CB and KK did. I still look at myself in the mirror. I'm not comparing CB's wrongdoings to KK's, but she was wrong nonetheless. She has to deal with it. If people capping on her is part of the deal - so be it. I'm still angry about what took place.

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It seems to me that she does have remorse. I was very offended by her abuse of power. It seemed so stupid to treat those cops like that because the potential damage to her career could have been and was indeed cataclysmic........ghetto mentality?

As for her law career she was in law school so as a convicted felon I am unsure of how it all works. According to Wiki she is currently not in school.

She didn't seem to have much remorse in the midst of it all while still attending law school. She was prancing around campus like a pony in a show. Maybe she is overcompensating for something. Or maybe she really does think she is better than other people.

Why are people still angry? Well, they cost the city $8M+ and I don't see that ever coming back.

Regardless of how one feels for her- whether it's sympathy, remorse, hatred or disdain, it just makes me think if I were in her shoes... why would I stick around this area?

Simply put, she's tainted goods. Move out to another state and try to start new. Get a new do, change your name, do something to revive your career! Have some Carlita-esque surgery if you must... but I can't see her being an asset to anyone here in the Detroit area. Even if she was a superb lawyer, would you as a prospective client feel comfortable hiring her?

Whether she's remorseful or not, that's her call. I hope that she is. She abused her power and got slapped down for it- not just in the court of law but by the court of public opinion. But as a fellow human being, I hope she can start new somewhere else and hopefully she can rebuild her life somehow someway.

I sorta do feel bad for her, she got the short end of the stick! While "rich" KK [[who's now a Texan - yeah right!) flew the coup... back with his er-ahem "renued" wife [[no surprise there)... negotiating his $6.00 [[opps I meant $3000 or so - still short) a month payment option, with a great job that allows him to go back and forth "debating" and martyring if he can pay more.

All jokes aside [[we) I don't know what her inner landscape is about nor does the article as it is not an interview... she may really be contrite. Even the most arrogant have had their personal renewal. I'd lay low if I were her, go back to school, change career [[as most Michiganders are doing) and move on... she has her kids to think about now. Most of all....

Compared to KK, she's at least remorseful or intelligent enough not to appear on television and still be smug and brash about things. I'll grant her that.

Her arrogance was offensive -- especially as it was applied to same community she was entrusted to serve. Such is the endorced fabric of Detroit politics. She must have thought the disney ride would never end. But it all ends -- a lesson in the final fruits of arrogance. The same people you dissed recall you on your way down...

She and KK have TWO [[2) felonies on their records and "TWO" is the magic number!

Correct me if I am wrong someone, but I think you can only have ONE [[1) felony expunged from your record per lifetime? That is why two felonies is worse than one. Recall KK yammering on about having his felony expunged BEFORE finishing his probation!

Where did these folks go to law school? AttorneysRus.com?:p

Expungement or Diversion of a Felony case usually occurs AFTER the probation and full restitution NOT BEFORE - duh?
In any event a convicted felon can still vote in Michigan. I wonder if that is so in Texas? If not KK's enthusiasm might be dampened a bit to boast that he is now "a Texan!"!!!!

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It seems to me that she does have remorse. I was very offended by her abuse of power. It seemed so stupid to treat those cops like that because the potential damage to her career could have been and was indeed cataclysmic........ghetto mentality?

As for her law career she was in law school so as a convicted felon I am unsure of how it all works. According to Wiki she is currently not in school.

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What I find the most interesting, is the State statute we see quoted all over in Beckham's case, about felons on government payrolls; and the language SPECIFICALLY bars them [[felons and ex felons) from offices they are voted into; and yet KK seems to feel he's a shoo-in for future re-employment.

Marion Berry did it in DC because he somehow got an expungement AND his crime pre-dated the DC 'no felons' statue, and since DC is technially not a state, there is no state level oversight of that mayoral office.

We live in a society in which guilt has been jettisoned for the almighty "I"... There is not some lawyer or professor that cannot/ will not justify anything! And that world view extends beyond DETROIT! In part it is about arrogant self-justification in the form of "flexing" oneself mentally [[and even blinding others - all the better to justify it all) to the level that rules don't apply. Some do it better than others.

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What I find the most interesting, is the State statute we see quoted all over in Beckham's case, about felons on government payrolls; and the language SPECIFICALLY bars them [[felons and ex felons) from offices they are voted into; and yet KK seems to feel he's a shoo-in for future re-employment.

Marion Berry did it in DC because he somehow got an expungement AND his crime pre-dated the DC 'no felons' statue, and since DC is technially not a state, there is no state level oversight of that mayoral office.

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In general, once someone has paid their price, done their time, if you keep punishing them, you only force them into a life of further crime since that is all they are allowed to do. She paid her price, seems contrite, so wish her luck, and dare I say ... help her like you would help anyone else. You gotta be big.

Some of the comments seem like not everyone read the article. She stays because her friends and family are here and I'd assume that while most of us wouldn't do what she did, they would want friends and family nearby if they had to deal with her daily life. I think this area is all she has ever known and Kwame's nonexistant sales record proves that even the best politicians have no real skills. There also no point in moving to create a new life when you don't have a job once you get there and because of that, not much chance a judge would make probation's work harder by allowing it. Now, if she was running to the presss and giving a woe is me story like Riddle, it would be a completely different story.

"It's difficult, but she is getting by, thanks to family and friends," said her pastor, the Rev. Ronald Griffin of Rose of Sharon Church of God in Christ in Detroit.

The high-end SUV was leased in 2007 before the scandal, and Griffin said she drives it because there's no saving by breaking her lease early.

Morganroth said she has looked for work in Washington, D.C., Atlanta and Alabama, "anyplace where she's had a contact or connection." Beatty could relocate out of state with Kenny's OK, a move the judge has indicated he likely would approve.

Still, Morganroth said, Beatty is "not complaining and claiming that she's somehow a victim. She's doing the best she can do. She's putting in her application and hoping something will come through."

She could try Texas.

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Originally Posted by Detwa

With all of the money KK is languishing in, you can bet he's sending her money monthly to help her live. She's leasing a Land Rover, for pete's sake. You can't live that on unemployment, and I'm not buying their story about how she's living on her savings -- that would have run out long ago. I think KK is sending her hush money and will continue to do so until the statute of limitations expires on his crimes.

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Not to mention that pretty big house she's still living at in Rosedale Park. Who's paying the mortgage if she doesn't have a job?? Anyone else would be foreclosed on by now, the way these banks and lenders are taking back people's homes.

Christine Beatty looks like a hybrid of a horse mixed with Scotty Pippin. That is one messed up looking woman.

Good job! Convert your opponents to cartoons and then kick the cartoon.

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Not to mention that pretty big house she's still living at in Rosedale Park. Who's paying the mortgage if she doesn't have a job?? Anyone else would be foreclosed on by now, the way these banks and lenders are taking back people's homes.

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Are you?[[paying the mortgage)If not why the hell do you care.

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Originally Posted by ziggyselbin

Are you?[[paying the mortgage)If not why the hell do you care.

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No need to be a a- -wipe, unless you can't help it. I'm just saying if she was a common joe no favors would be forth coming. Plenty of people losing houses that are unemployed that don't get special treatment.

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No need to be a a- -wipe, unless you can't help it. I'm just saying if she was a common joe no favors would be forth coming. Plenty of people losing houses that are unemployed that don't get special treatment.

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Some losing their homes being employed because of cutbacks. I would like to see where the funds to maintain this lifestyle are coming from. Since she owes the city money, her finances should be public record.

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Some losing their homes being employed because of cutbacks. I would like to see where the funds to maintain this lifestyle are coming from. Since she owes the city money, her finances should be public record.

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To both of you cinkid and you why the hell do you care? Your finances should be public record.

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Originally Posted by ziggyselbin

Are you?[[paying the mortgage)If not why the hell do you care.

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My tax dollars might be paying the mortgage. She made her bed, now I'd like to know who's paying for it - and who's sleeping in it.

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To both of you cinkid and you why the hell do you care? Your finances should be public record.

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Why the hell do you care if I care? Let's see your finances.

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In general, once someone has paid their price, done their time, if you keep punishing them, you only force them into a life of further crime since that is all they are allowed to do. She paid her price, seems contrite, so wish her luck, and dare I say ... help her like you would help anyone else. You gotta be big.

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Rick, I agree with your assessment noted above - in most cases. This woman is intelligent, educated and arrogant. She had a high profile job requiring major skills. If she didn't know she was in the spotlight, shame on her. All the best reasons she should be working every day to pay back all of the money and trust lost from her crimes. Some people need to do penance. When you ride high and mighty, you fall way down low. CB is an example of that. When I see her at soup kitchens and food banks helping others, for an extended length of time, I might believe she's seen the error of her ways. Until then, no pity from me. You not only have to do penance, you have to show penance.

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Originally Posted by Blarf

Christine Beatty looks like a hybrid of a horse mixed with Scotty Pippin. That is one messed up looking woman.

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This guy would make a good politician. Republicrat or Demican. Name calling skills are highly prized in the political arena nowadays.

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Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

Name calling skills are highly prized in the political arena nowadays.

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Says resident hot-head, ultra-cynic, and drama queen.

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Originally Posted by Blarf

Christine Beatty looks like a hybrid of a horse mixed with Scotty Pippin. That is one messed up looking woman.

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I don't really agree, in most of the photos I've seen she looks attractive. I've never seen her in person though. She seems to have a REALLY nice body.

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Originally Posted by 1KielsonDrive

Why the hell do you care if I care? Let's see your finances.

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How in the hell are your finances paying her mortgage? That is preposterous. My finances are none of your business neither are Beattys's .... unless you are offering financial help...are you?

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Originally Posted by detroitchef

What I find the most interesting, is the State statute we see quoted all over in Beckham's case, about felons on government payrolls; and the language SPECIFICALLY bars them [[felons and ex felons) from offices they are voted into; and yet KK seems to feel he's a shoo-in for future re-employment.

Marion Berry did it in DC because he somehow got an expungement AND his crime pre-dated the DC 'no felons' statue, and since DC is technially not a state, there is no state level oversight of that mayoral office.

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The law that you're referring to, 750.118, applies to bribery not perjury. Kwame will be able to run again and Christine will be eligible for appointments, if she isn't already.

I have the nagging feeling that Christine Beatty is going to wind up on the City payroll again, probably on a newly elected council person's staff in a behind the scenes, but well paid, position. Maybe it will be an official job, maybe it will be a contract position for "consulting" services. When it comes to light, the council person who hires her will justify the move by lauding Beatty's experience and "know how".

I've got no inside information that this will happen, just a suspicion based on following Detroit politics for a long time.

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Originally Posted by MichMatters

Says resident hot-head, ultra-cynic, and drama queen.

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Thank you. I'm glad my long practiced skills are noticed. It should probably be noted that I'm also a commie, pinko, faggot. Not to mention an atheist and reformed, for the moment, transvestite.

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Originally Posted by ziggyselbin

How in the hell are your finances paying her mortgage? That is preposterous. My finances are none of your business neither are Beattys's .... unless you are offering financial help...are you?

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Let's see......she and KK are responsible for how much ill-gotten gains from the public coffers?

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Originally Posted by Motor City Sam

I have the nagging feeling that Christine Beatty is going to wind up on the City payroll again, probably on a newly elected council person's staff in a behind the scenes, but well paid, position. Maybe it will be an official job, maybe it will be a contract position for "consulting" services. When it comes to light, the council person who hires her will justify the move by lauding Beatty's experience and "know how".

I've got no inside information that this will happen, just a suspicion based on following Detroit politics for a long time.

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You're probably right on this one. It's the politician's way.

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How in the hell are your finances paying her mortgage? That is preposterous. My finances are none of your business neither are Beattys's .... unless you are offering financial help...are you?

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Preposterous you say? Preposterous? Might be to you. And no, I'm not offfering financial help. That would be truly preposterous.

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How in the hell are your finances paying her mortgage? That is preposterous. My finances are none of your business neither are Beattys's .... unless you are offering financial help...are you?

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Preposterous? Did you steal that line from the Wizard of OZ? Or, was it just the little man behind the curtain?

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Let's see......she and KK are responsible for how much ill-gotten gains from the public coffers?

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She was guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice but nowhere was she found guilty of stealing moneyto make her mortgage payment.She was ordered to reimburse the city.That implies she is paying the city for costs the city incurred not money stolen. Frankly your argument looks silly.

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To both of you cinkid and you why the hell do you care? Your finances should be public record.

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You need to come up for air!

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I have the nagging feeling that Christine Beatty is going to wind up on the City payroll again, probably on a newly elected council person's staff in a behind the scenes, but well paid, position. Maybe it will be an official job, maybe it will be a contract position for "consulting" services. When it comes to light, the council person who hires her will justify the move by lauding Beatty's experience and "know how".

I've got no inside information that this will happen, just a suspicion based on following Detroit politics for a long time.

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Her employment with her old classmate is probably already a done deal.

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Originally Posted by Brittz

You need to come up for air!

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Just remember if you advocate crude and humiliating measures for others you must be willing to accept them for yourself.

I found Ms.Beattys's behavior obscene and embarrassing and crass. What she said to those cops should have gotten her fired immdediately. However that does not me she is not entitled to the same dignity that our laws extend to everyone. Wild accusations about who is paying her bills is akin to McCarthyism and witch hunt trials. You may scoff but it is the same dynamic at work.

Yes, how dare anybody speculate over the truth about somebody who is a proven liar!

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Yes, how dare anybody speculate over the truth about somebody who is a proven liar!

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I am sincerely trying to make sense of the above

Lie often enough and people speculate about the truth about you, even when you say you're telling the whole truth.

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Lie often enough and people speculate about the truth about you, even when you say you're telling the whole truth.

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That may be but it still is none of our concern. She obviously is not using any public money now and was never accused of taking money.

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Originally Posted by ziggyselbin

Just remember if you advocate crude and humiliating measures for others you must be willing to accept them for yourself.

I found Ms.Beattys's behavior obscene and embarrassing and crass. What she said to those cops should have gotten her fired immdediately. However that does not me she is not entitled to the same dignity that our laws extend to everyone. Wild accusations about who is paying her bills is akin to McCarthyism and witch hunt trials. You may scoff but it is the same dynamic at work.

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Geez, is that a 'New Rule'? Maybe it's from the bible? Or, the constitution? Hmmm, I know, you made that rule [[law?) up. Right?

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Originally Posted by ziggyselbin

Just remember if you advocate crude and humiliating measures for others you must be willing to accept them for yourself.

I found Ms.Beattys's behavior obscene and embarrassing and crass. What she said to those cops should have gotten her fired immdediately. However that does not me she is not entitled to the same dignity that our laws extend to everyone. Wild accusations about who is paying her bills is akin to McCarthyism and witch hunt trials. You may scoff but it is the same dynamic at work.

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Does your 'New Rule' [[law?) apply to Presidents, Vice-Presidents, Secretaries of State, Interrogators, Torturers, Senators, Priests and assorted other malefactors?

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Originally Posted by ziggyselbin

I am sincerely trying to make sense of the above

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I appreciate your sincerity. Sincerity only goes so far when you start calling people out in a rude manner. Maybe a little humility would help to make your sincerity more apparent. This is, after all, DetroitYes. A chat/discussion room. Not a confessional. Not that I would ever use a confessional.

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Originally Posted by MichMatters

Says resident hot-head, ultra-cynic, and drama queen.

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How dare you call me a resident!

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That may be but it still is none of our concern. She obviously is not using any public money now and was never accused of taking money.

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No, that's not obvious. She well may be using public money she skimmed off the top. I'm not saying she did help herself to public money, I'm just saying it is not obvious that she didn't.

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Originally Posted by MichMatters

Says resident hot-head, ultra-cynic, and drama queen.

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Wow, that comment is kind of out of left field. 1KD seems to be one of the most mellow, cool-headed people here. If he's cynical it seems to be with merit. Hot-headed and a drama queen? Not even close to being an accurate description. If you notice, he never takes any bait -- his answers are always just mellow.

Ziggyselbin from your posts you really seem to express a deep personal interest/relationship in CB. Is this correct?
Happy New Year to you.

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Ziggyselbin from your posts you really seem to express a deep personal interest/relationship in CB. Is this correct?
Happy New Year to you.

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You have a happy new year too..........and work on your comprehension skills!!!!

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Fair enough. If a buddy ever gets elected and names me his chief of staff, and I run roughshod over the police department and every low-level city employee, and steal taxpayer money to pay my mortgage . . .

. . . then, yeah, I'll fully accept those "crude and humiliating" measures.

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Fair enough. If a buddy ever gets elected and names me his chief of staff, and I run roughshod over the police department and every low-level city employee, and steal taxpayer money to pay my mortgage . . .

. . . then, yeah, I'll fully accept those "crude and humiliating" measures.

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.. Please show me where Beatty was found to have stolen taxpayer money to pay here mortgage. The rest is all a matter of public record i.e. the newspapers reported here asshole behavor toward others............nowhere is there evidence of her using taxpayer money...................show me where it is.

Hopefully your Buddy won't appoint you as chief of staff as you seem amenable to running roughshod over others etc...

Thanks Gang. Christine Beatty notwithstanding, a HAPPY New Year to you all!

You all seem to forget that Kwame strong-armed the bank into giving her a "grant" so that she could qualify for the mortgage in the first place! When questioned about it, the bank [[Fifth Third?) President said that the grant was a "good business decision" - In other words they gave her the money so they could still do business with the COD, plain and simple. Sounds like borderline extortion to me.........yet nothing was ever done.

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You all seem to forget that Kwame strong-armed the bank into giving her a "grant" so that she could qualify for the mortgage in the first place! When questioned about it, the bank [[Fifth Third?) President said that the grant was a "good business decision" - In other words they gave her the money so they could still do business with the COD, plain and simple. Sounds like borderline extortion to me.........yet nothing was ever done.

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It does stink but was it illegal?

Ziggy, you must be a lawyer, you sure sound like one.

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It does stink but was it illegal?

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Yes, it was illegal.

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You have a happy new year too..........and work on your comprehension skills!!!!

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What comprehensions skills have I expressed lack in here as pertaining to your obsession with CB. Protesting as much you have you almost every post shows a lack of something in your life! Now I have not tried to be mean nor nasty to you so tell us all-- Are you Christine Beatty? The potty mouth one that wants police to know who she was so closely involved with?

Enjoy your hoppin john and chittlins. :D

Chill out!

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What comprehensions skills have I expressed lack in here as pertaining to your obsession with CB. Protesting as much you have you almost every post shows a lack of something in your life! Now I have not tried to be mean nor nasty to you so tell us all-- Are you Christine Beatty? The potty mouth one that wants police to know who she was so closely involved with?

Enjoy your hoppin john and chittlins. :D

Chill out!

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The last two words of your rather unfocused pot here are something you might consider...

Say what? Say what?

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Sorry Lowell, you and I are at the opposite end of the poles on this one. You don't just do the crime and then do your time. You spend your life making up for the bad you've done. As it should be. Soon enough, she'll be back to practicing law with a politically connected law firm. I'm hoping all will NOT be forgotten. It shouldn't be. She doesn't necessarily have to pay for the rest of her life, but if she has any conscience, she'll never forget what took place. It'll be with her every day of her life. She's awfully lucky compared to most stiffs who experience a conviction. Look at people who've experienced a sex related offense. They get run out of towns and states. And, I believe she still has her law license. CB mixed corruption with arrogance. Her fall was long and hard. Thuuuuuuud. Too bad.

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She doesn't have her law license, she was attending law school when all the lies hit the fan. You can attend law school with a felony conviction for perjury. She will have to start over somewhere, somehow. I don't feel sorry for her in the least, but she surely got the short end of the stick on more than one occassion, considering she opened her legs to Kwame.

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I have the nagging feeling that Christine Beatty is going to wind up on the City payroll again, probably on a newly elected council person's staff in a behind the scenes, but well paid, position. Maybe it will be an official job, maybe it will be a contract position for "consulting" services. When it comes to light, the council person who hires her will justify the move by lauding Beatty's experience and "know how".

I've got no inside information that this will happen, just a suspicion based on following Detroit politics for a long time.

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Let us not forget that Ms. Beatty is good friends with newly-elected councilwoman Saunteel Jenkins.

Oh great. Friends with Saunteel Jenkins. Nice, well you are judged in part by the friends you keep. Well, if that is true I would ask Jenkins what the hell are you doing with friends like that?

Beatty was a power hungry ho pure and simple. No code except what was good for her. She actively worked to destroy men who for th emost part spent their lives trying to serve the citizens of Detroit. And frankly she was willing to hammer anybody that got in the way of what she wanted or what her man wanted. A stupid fool all the way. Did she really think KK was going to be the one? Take her into the sunset and live happily ever after? Please!! He was/is an animal who was doing plenty of women while he was banging her.

Who cares what happens to that piece of crap. Really. All I would hope for is that her children get a fair shake.

Its beter if she just gets the hell out of Detroit.

Just read that she's been allowed to move to Atlanta.

Why is she being allowed to move?

She petitioned the court for petition to relocate to Atlanta and according to the following article moving trucks are loading up her belongings.

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/22463268/detail.html

I had an amount of sympathy for her during the trial but later on after reading about what a bitch she was to so many different people I guess I feel now as if she deserved what happened to her. In the long run to me she sounded cruel and money/power hungry.

Sad, there is definitely more to life than money and influence.

word is, Christine is moving to Texas. To be closer to KK!

There's a Compuware location in Atlanta.

I dont think Texas. Carlita would not be happy. I think she geniually wants to start a new.

I wish her the best.

All I wish her is to work hard, put in 20 years as a civil servant, only to be fired for doing her job. That would be poetic justice.

Like her or not, I can say this about Christine Beatty- she's at least seems to be wanting to stay out of the media spotlight. Unlike her fat ex-mayoral buddy who constantly seems to re-occur in court to dicker about his payment/ punishment- she's at least kept somewhat quiet and is willing to get on with her life elsewhere.

I don't know how much good she did the City during her tenure here but to that- we thank you. The other stuff [[and it's been well documented) you can take it and leave town. This proud city deserves better civil servants than you, Ms. Beatty.

Good Luck in Atlanta! At least you won't have to be around so many of these hateful SOBs in SE Michigan.

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Good Luck in Atlanta! At least you won't have to be around so many of these hateful SOBs in SE Michigan.

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I wouldn't say that there aren't some hateful people here but for what she did [[and got convicted on), she really does need to leave town. Not just for her own good but for our own as well. It's mutual healing. But rest assured that if Christine Beatty or anyone in the public service sector abuses their position, be prepared for public scorn.

And maybe it's a higher standard we hold these people to, but they hold our public trust. Once they lose that I don't think it's out of the question to feel a little bit more animosity towards these folks. Hateful maybe yes, but again- it's because of their actions [[again, let's not forget she got convicted). They chose to be in the public light and to be put under that sort of scrutiny. The higher they climb, the longer they can fall. Do their job well with some humility and while people might not praise them daily, they're living up to the trust we've put in them.

If those Atlanta police stop KK's main squeeze, I wonder if she'd ask them "Do you know who the f**k I am?" I don't think that will go over too well. Good riddance.

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If those Atlanta police stop KK's main squeeze, I wonder if she'd ask them "Do you know who the f**k I am?" I don't think that will go over too well. Good riddance.

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Getting back to ejames01's comment about the "hateful SOBs in SE Michigan"- Christine Beatty was obviously one of those SOBs when she was pulled over by the cops back then too.

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Rick, I agree with your assessment noted above - in most cases. This woman is intelligent, educated and arrogant. She had a high profile job requiring major skills. If she didn't know she was in the spotlight, shame on her. All the best reasons she should be working every day to pay back all of the money and trust lost from her crimes. Some people need to do penance. When you ride high and mighty, you fall way down low. CB is an example of that. When I see her at soup kitchens and food banks helping others, for an extended length of time, I might believe she's seen the error of her ways. Until then, no pity from me. You not only have to do penance, you have to show penance.

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From the position of an ex Detroiter now living on the East coast: This is the kind of stuff that makes Detroit a laughing stock.The crime and corruption of Detroit is legendary.I have to choose carefully who I admit to being an ex Detroiter to,or they will assume that I'm the same way.It's a damn shame because the average Detroiter is a great person.

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From the position of an ex Detroiter now living on the East coast: This is the kind of stuff that makes Detroit a laughing stock.The crime and corruption of Detroit is legendary.I have to choose carefully who I admit to being an ex Detroiter to,or they will assume that I'm the same way.It's a damn shame because the average Detroiter is a great person.

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For most part, I agree with your post. I lived in San Francisco for a few years and never had a problem saying I was from Detroit. In fact, most people were intrigued and interested. Of course, this was prior to KK putting the shit on Detroiters and our image.

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All I wish her is to work hard, put in 20 years as a civil servant, only to be fired for doing her job. That would be poetic justice.

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Good one! It rates a 9+ on the Dyes Rochter scale IMO.

I had a lot of sympathy for her during the trials, I thought she had been a victim of her true love for the super-sized mayor. But when the news came out that Christine had targeted people for demotions and firings, was vindictive, and had a reputation for demeaning and verbally abusing subordinates and police officers I have to believe she is now paying the price and getting what she deserves, much like KK is now.