Apartment house next to Maxey Ford on fire as I type.
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Apartment house next to Maxey Ford on fire as I type.
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20 minutes later
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Would not be surprise if arson was the cause
Nice shots!
In just a couple weeks we've lost this guy, the University Club, a Heidelberg House, the St. Josephat steeple, and I'm sure dozens of old homes.
There isn't going to be anything left of Detroit worth saving if this keeps up. Just cinder block liquor stores.
It's the old Somerset Apt complex. Some arsonist or squatter got inside light up the place with fire. Making the Lafayette Park area look silly.
If we went to the site of those places [[except for the homes, of course) a year from today, I'll correctly predict a McDonald's will be built on all three non-home sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by poobert
arson. definitely arson...
many lengths of rope strewn around the joint in the 3 'pod' that had been soaked in kerosene...
at least thats what the 1st responding Chief told me...
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Amazing shots Lt.
thanks... i drove up on it just as the first trucks were getting there. the ladder truck in the alley was putting out its outriggers. the Chief had ladder trucks there before the engines showed up...
they stretched in through a 2nd story window and had it pretty much all beaten back when it started burning on the 3rd floor [[fire in the overhead) so they pulled out, added 2 tower trucks and soaked it down for the next 3 hours even with it burning through the rooftop...
it was pretty friggin' cold and its not even winter yet..
Dang, what a shame. Not that this building was in good enough shape to be rehabbed easily or any special architectural wonder. But in my mind, the E. Jefferson corridor will soon be ripe for investment - with many residential neighborhoods still intact, actual real deal commercial business along much of it's length, some investment over the past 15 years, plus its proximity to the River - it may see growth in the future - but this is one less building [[with potentially a large residential capacity) which will now mar and inhibit that work - and not contribute positively to future growth.
Nice photos though!
Kerosene, really?!
There are only so many places that sell that nearby...and they all seem to have video surveillance...
or diesel or gasoline...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannon
gasoline is pretty hazardous to handle for something like this if youre not careful since its the fumes that volatile...
Detroit history burning of course.
You seem to have a frightening familiarity with such things, Dave :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ltdave
If you look carefully in the photos, you can see a guy dressed in a Ronald McDonald outfit, holding a gas can ;-)
worked with a fire department for about 2 years, had firefighting training in the Air Force. they guys at Bob Maxey Ford saw the guy pull up, spend about 20 minutes on the other side of the building, then leave...Quote:
Originally Posted by CleveBill
yeah, no Ronald. i made sure he wasnt in any of my pics...
Outstanding pics LtDave. Especially XO0A2260_zps357544d1... Thank you for sharing these!
Very sad. Although the property was in bad shape, it still could have been rehabilitated at some point in the near future. I hate to see historical architecture of the past destroyed like this. These charming old buildings are part of what allures many of us to the old cities in the first place. They separate Detroit from many of the newer cities and also keeps us in the same category as other rust belt and industrial cities. This could have been a nice courtyard development in a pretty decent location.
The Somerset Apartment Building was certainly not of the quality of the Palms, the Pasadena, or many of the other long-gone apartments that were built along East Jefferson around 1900 - 1920. But for what it was, it was, IMO, very well designed.Quote:
Originally Posted by illwill
Take a look back at LtDave's first photo. Look at the front door with its fanlight window. Notice the stone pilasters and the dentils. The Somerset's entrance is a wonderful example of simple, classic architecture.
On either side of the entrance are three tall windows, french doors actually. Again with still visible fan lights. The lobby, to the right of the door was lit by those 3 french doors. The ceilings were ±12 feet in height. To the right rear of the lobby was a substantial staircase. Also, there were several square fluted columns that matched the pilasters at the front door. To the left was the manager's apartment also with ±12 foot ceilings and french doors facing Jefferson.
Like illwill, I had hoped it could have been rehabilitated at some point. But alas...
thanks for the details! sounds like youve been in there once or twice...Quote:
Originally Posted by Neilr
In Detroit when arsonists burn down abandon buildings, it's their calling card for the city government and its leaders. ' If you don't tear it down, burn it down!'
Actually, it's obviously the gentrification process continuing along Jefferson Ave. That corridor is ripe for redevelopment, and I'd wager there will be much to follow. Detroit M.O. 'Destroy By Neglect'. Leave the building to rot a few decades, not citing the owners for abandonment, or forcing the building to be secured. Then the scrappers hit it hard, then the Urban Explorers, and finally the homeless move in and take up residence. Sometimes it's these squatters trying to get/stay warm in the cold months, and they wind up fucking things up....or the speculators put out the word, spread a little money around....and suddenly the land ain't so expensive to take over anymore. Hmmmm, you think this shit is coincidental? Think some more. That stretch is like Chicago's 'Gold Coast'. Right across the street from 'Riverwalk' "Dequindre Cut'....and the State Park 'Belle Isle'. Eyes open for further development on this story. This town will make it's comeback....at ANY cost. These people are ruthless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
I agree with the both of you [[meaning JohnnyFreddy & Danny). I think this is resistance to the change and gentrification that's occurring downtown and a few other areas of the city. I think it will get more intense and I just hope it doesn't escalate to random acts of physical violence. The tensions are definitely growing.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyFreddy
The building is owned by Somerset 2002 LLC.
In 2002, when Somerset 2002 was filing a certificate of authority to operate in Michigan [[was formed in North Palm Beach, FL), it was owned at least in part by Hanna Karcho, presumably a.k.a. Hanna Karcho Polselli.
In 1998, PACIFIC XVII, Inc., a corporation owned and operated by Remo Polselli, bought the building from Summerset Apartments Limited Partnership for maybe as little as $100k.
In 2005, the city and county filed a lis pendens against Somerset 2002 LLC and a handful of other entities, including PACIFIC XVII, Inc, presumably as a step in condemning the building.
Anybody want to help me out with a good Sugar Loaf pun?
Poliselli sounds like a stand up guy:
Polselli was sentenced to 27 months in federal prison in June 2003 and made to pay $2.9 million in restitution on three counts of felony tax evasion.
He pleaded guilty to charges of failing to account for and pay withholding and Social Security taxes collected from employees, as well as failing to pay income taxes or file returns on gross income he earned in 1995 and 1996 as owner of the Plaza Hotel in Southfield, Mich., according to federal court records.
He was released from prison in December 2004, according to the Federal Bureau of Prisons.
New California Hotel's website confirms that Polselli spent 300 days in prison "related to payroll tax" and refers to it as "the darkest moment in his life."
Another hotel investment company with which Polselli and his wife, Hanna Karcho, were affiliated -- Club Metro Investments LLC, which bought The Metropolitan Hotel near the Detroit metro airport -- declared bankruptcy in March 2012 and reorganized, according to online court filings.
NO it wasn't Ronald Mcdonald..the Hamburglar did it [[[[-;. But, seriously, if there were sprinkler systems in some of those buildings, it would force the local government's hand to make improvements. If it was in the Corr..er.."Midtown" I would suspect a certain Pizza Magnate.
Although that apartment complex is an almost total loss, the fancier front part of the otherwise bland building... the nice part that faces Jefferson appears to still be intact. It would be nice to save that part of the complex.
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a few i took last week. i didnt venture in the front, just shot through the doorway...
Looks like selective demo on the collapsed part is underway and a for sale sign on East Jefferson facade was just put up...