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If they're wreckless, what's the problem?
I mean it's not like they're having wrecks or anything.
This reminds me of the group of kids on motorcycles that I saw flying up I-75 a few times over the summer. They had to be doing 120+ riding in between cars. Really scary and dangerous. I called the state police and they said they know all about these guys.
Honestly, What Gives?Quote:
Originally Posted by Meddle
It's like "driving under the influence." If the driver has not met, or exceeded, the threshold of "influence," everything should oughtta be OK, I reckon.
Am I the only one that was kinda hoping that one of them were gonna lose it? Total disregard for the other people on the road. Whatever.
That's no ordinary wreckless driver, it's Camilo Pardo, trendy Detroit loft resident and the guy who happened to design the car. Here's a quick profile.
http://www.vodcars.com/garage419/epi...ardo-garage419
Again, if he's wreckless, there's no problem. That means he's not having wrecks or causing others to have wrecks.Quote:
That's no ordinary wreckless driver,
Now if he's reckless, that's another matter.
well, i think their a couple of dumbasses putting peoples lives in danger.
These guys are amateurs…..now if they would have done in through the streets of Detroit at 5 am on a Sunday to minimize problems then I might be impressed. You want to see someone with balls check this video out…it’s from the 60s but still gets me. I think he blew through 16 red lights, almost nailed a few pedestrians and cars….but it is dramatic. Done with a Ferrari…in Paris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DSyEarRAKo
if its no secret who these people are, why isn't something being done?
camilio has wrecked a couple gts......
I love the English professors on this site.
The roads look terrible.. and that ramp, the worst!
Jimbo: Videotaping this crime spree is the best idea we ever had!
I wonder if grandpa will ever flip off his turn signal?
A couple of years ago I stumbled into Camilo Pardo's loft on Woodward...I had had a few...how I gained access I still don't know. At the time I didn't know who he was...and when introduced, he seemed totally down to earth. Any way...that's all I got.
I'll have to watch it more thoroughly again, but I fail to see where they endangered anyone. Their cars were always under absolute control, and both vehicles were being piloted by people who know how to drive at those speeds.
I do not see anyone cut off...nor hear ANY screeching of tires.
I used to play tag with Camillo once and again, whenever we crossed paths when I was driving that Audi A4 Avant. He was always surprised what that thing could do, keeping up with him until the straightaways.
The people endangering others are those meandering along in the passing lane for no reason...that seems to happen a lot in this video. In Europe? People would SEE those enthusiasts approaching and KNOW to get the hell out of the way.
I do NOT feel the same about those motorcycle drivers who snake through traffic and split lanes. They should get Belle Isle for a few hours every week to rage around...and we should turn that expanse of concrete into a gymkhana track.
Go Camillo, Go!
It's from the 70's, and I'm pretty sure it was a Mercedes SEL. Done in the early morning on Sunday, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Searay215
The notes always said Ferrari Dino. We watched it in a high school French class back in 1979, in a parochial school! Very inspiring. Got me to try to get on each F1 course through downtown in the 80s...I always succeeded!
http://www.jerrykindall.com/2005/11/...rendezvous.asp
Ferrari 275 GTB, I don't think Mercedes EVER had anything that sounded like that...
Geez, just read that page 'til the end. It MIGHT'VE been a Mercedes, with the audio dubbed. Seems like a TON of work...for a short film.
bull run 2006--- old video
They gave him some shit on WXYZ but nothing came of it.
Hospitals like to call them "donor-cycles"... good way to get donated body organs..... and as that one commedian likes to say "it's time to cull the herd"..... :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by rjk
Ray1936, what's your take on that video?
I just hope those two idiots don't breed.
If that happened in front of you when you were 'on the job', what would you have done?
I'd of taken them both for reckless driving.
How much is that ticket?
Not a ticket, arrested under the state misdemeanor statute. To court the next morning.
Well, your colleagues are using Ford Fairlane 500s now; you were using Plymouth Furys. Do you think your Plymouth could overtake them?
Probably not, but they can't out-run my radio.
Guy up above says they weren't endangering anyone; their cars were under control.
Maybe so, but had one driver ahead of them mis-judged their excessive speed and changed lanes in front of them, it would have been a brutal wreck; one they wouldn't be able to avoid.
Any advice for Camilo Pardo?
Stay the fuck out of Nevada, huh?
I like Camilo, he seems cool, but, damn Ray, that was awesome!!
Stromberg2
Yes, Good job Ray! That post got me thinking about Jjaba and his post's of days gone by!
Isn't that video about 4 years old?
I don't worry so much about guys with good cars that can go fast. I worry about idiots that don't take care of their cars and still drive on the road with no regard to others. Or the clowns that won't give way in the left lane while they do 55 mph.
Who here hasn't been passed by a rusted out hulk doing 70 with two spacesaver spares on it?
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Originally Posted by Gannon
NO ONE is ever under "absolute control" of a vehicle at high speeds. Professional driver or not, at these speeds any mistake, mechanical failure or unexpected reaction from another driver could be tragic.
I don't care if someone wants to risk their own life, but doing this on a public road full of innocent drivers and their children shows complete disregard for the lives of others. THESE GUYS ARE COMPLETE ASSHOLES! :mad:
The title says 160 MPH. They were going fast but no way was that 160 MPH. Either that or they slowed down the video for some reason. 160 MPH looks about twice as panicked as that.
I know one of the riders, they can do Toledo to Detroit in 20 minutes. Too fast for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjk
Anyone who has ever had a friend or family member die or get seriously injured in a car wreck knows that this shit is nothing to play around with unless you're on a track. It's all fun and games until someone's been decapitated, or worst yet, had their face mangled, lost a limb, and has to live like that for the rest of their lives. It's no joke.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but driving is dangerous even when people are being responsible. Even though Camillo is probably an excellent driver, his excessive speed is a wild card variable. Even people in the fast lane are not likely to be going 160+ mph. It is reasonable for other drivers to expect someone passing to be going 80, maybe even 85 mph, so they will react accordingly, but 160 puts other drivers in a state of panic and one slip up by anyone, or even an unexpected event like a dog in the road could cause massive body count.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodwardboy
How about that's why moronic idiots with a death wish ought stay off the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by woodwardboy
I remember this was posted here on DYES several years ago. I was looking for this video.
Sad to think in some of those vehicles are young children. People never think about this risks they put on others, only themselves.
Im scared of two thing, Gannons monkey shoes and his passenger seat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannon
Only you Gannon, only you. LOL
Might be older vid, new to me though, and pretty intense.
I always think of guys doing this as young 20-somethings,
not 'older' wealthy ones, which they must be.
Lucky nobody got killed...
The car guys I've talked to who like the film said the main reason people think it's a Mercedes is the bumper on the Ferrari wouldn't be structurally sound to hold a camera rig steady without some heavy modification - which most any Ferrari owner would be adverse to. The Benz had a nice, big steel bumper - along with anti-lock breaks, which would be handy filming something like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannon
ok.. these guys are much less reckless than the dumbshit on his or her cellphone. not paying attention to what they're doing. that's the thing, most of these "streetracers" are paying 100% attention to what they are doing.. that can hardly be said for anyone, even I find that I zone out when i'm driving home after work...
i had an article that i can't find... but it basically said that the average commuter going 10 - 2mph over the limit, who is smoking, drinking a coffee and switching though the radio stations is 1000times more prone to causing an accident than a street racer.
i also agree with BagAJellyDonuts.. i see some dickhole going 70mph in a total POS riding on spares, layin way back in his seat with the radio cranked... id much rather deal with the odd street racer than those tards
I can do really rad tricks with my dishwasher, like making it burb up bubbles by filling it with hand wash only deterregent.
But I don't.
Why people need to treat expensive machinery as extensions of themselves instead of what they actually are, appliances, is beyond me. I would say this is an unusual wreckless driving incident, given that they were driving reckless at those speeds, and didn't create a wreck.
Cross post this to "Suburbs are Unsustainable" thread.
a ford focus is an appliance.. those cars are not
that said... highways are made for speed... why we build these things like race tracks and then wonder why people treat them in that fashion is beyond me... don't want people to speed like that in the city? then don't build highways in the city, street racers used to go out to the country streets to race
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Originally Posted by Gannon
Ever lose a tire at 120? I have it's not fun, the car goes away quick. Would never want to have that happen on the street.
Absolutely. Do not try this without Z rated tires. Good tip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toolbox
Reminds me of the crack casualty I saw getting on the EB Ford a couple years ago at VanDyke. He had that beat up Olds doing 80 at the bottom of the 50 foot on-ramp, veered in and out of traffic till he got to the Conner exit, where he ran up the embankment onto the grass and into oncoming SB traffic.
I figured he just played a few rounds of Grand Turismo 4, while throwin' back a few 40's and hit the pipe before he stumbled his way to the Cutlass.
So people and cars are 100% perfect then? Stupid people talking on cell phones leads to accidents. Stupid people driving too fast leads to accidents. We all screw up at some point, but at least I can admit the times I've driven over the speed limit it's unsafe and risky driving.Quote:
Originally Posted by windsor_shane
They might have peaked at 160, but most was probably 100-120. I have an Evo and there were only a couple times when the scenery in that video passed faster than what I've experienced in my car. The thing I noticed was the acceleration. Those two cars could break away from anything once they get a stretch of open road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimaz
Too bad the Vette needed gas. I'm sure the speeds in the video are nothing compared to what they did on I-94 west of Telegraph.
The beauty of living in a free society is that idiots can express their opinions freely but they will still be absolutely inconsequential and have no impact on the rule of law. Make the outlandish claim that someone driving a car at twice the posted speed limit on Michigan roads is safer than driving while talking on a cell phone or driving an older vehicle? Professional driver? What the hell does that mean? Go ahead, believe what you will, but the law is still the law. These wreckless assholes will hopefully be busted before they hurt someone.
Anyone who feels the need to drive a car like that that fast for no reason is clearly compensating for something else.
Sometimes I'll do 100. I drive a tiny Volks, and every few days I'll run it up in the left lane, passing traffic until I realize I'm passing people doing 90 in the center lane and I'll slow it back down and get in the center lane. It's kind of an optical illusion, and I'm sure I'll pay dearly [[hopefully, in tickets) for it someday.
That said, one time I was getting off the Davison and onto I-75 when two cars raced past me, one on my left, one on the safety space on my right, tearing off onto where the ramp divides, missing the concrete by inches apparently. What a race! And I was right in the middle of it all. I coulda been smeared though. My immediate reaction, though, was that these drivers were really hot shit. Hahaha.
You just reminded me of an LA story...I used to pull off Mulholland at the scenic overlook peering down on Universal CityWalk on my way home from work. One day I heard an amazing sound, like F1 or GTU/O racers. Turned around to catch two Fiat X1/9s in full race form, one painted all red the other all blue, screaming around the corner...away from the 101 towards Laurel Canyon. In rush hour.
They apparently got there and turned around, because not a few minutes later they went raging back towards the 101...downhill on one of the most fun driving roads ever built.
This is a scale model of Detroit driving. Screaming speed and traffic backups.
http://www.wimp.com/hotwheels/
detroitpole.. whos to say what is a dangerous speed? different people with different abilites can safely control a vehicle at different speeds and in different conditions.. for example. some people shouldn't even be on the highway at all... they cannot operate their vehicle safely at any speed. my younger brother is a great example. my cousin on the other hand, who is a professional truck driver and an amateur race car driver, im sure even 100mph is safe for his skill level.
so ya, just because the law exists.. doesn't make something safe or not safe.
ask yourself this. would you rather be in the car with a 16yr old who has never been on a busy highway traveling at 70mph or with an experienced driver at 100mph? one is breaking the law, one isnt... id feel much safer in the car of the one who is breaking the law!!!
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Originally Posted by Bigb23
That was awesome.
I'll quiz you and see if you get this one correct. What speeds are Detroit freeways designed for. Also account for current pavement conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by windsor_shane
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Originally Posted by wolverine
70mph. Cars back then had four wheel drums, bias plys, metal dashes, no seatbelts, non collapsable steering collumns and handeled like shit. But then drivers now can barely function behind the wheel.
It's the law of unintended consequences. Basically cars are so safe, loaded with safety gadgets and cushioning and crash protection devices, that people feel like they can drive stupidly and remain safe. When cars handled like boats and your steering wheel was a sword of Damocles staring you in the face, you didn't want to flog one around an exit ramp going 90MPH, or whip in and out of lanes like Mario Andriette.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toolbox
So now I understand why I piss off people on M-14 when I'm in the left lane in my subcompact doing 80. They sit on my tail menacingly, then zip past. That pisses me off because I'm already 10 over... I didn't know we were supposed to go 90+ out there. I only go that fast to keep up with traffic, but everyone seems to drive 80-100 on that road if the weather conditions are good. Lately, it seems that everyone drives 70+ on every freeway, including the Lodge, which has a speed limit of 55.
What is the purpose of speed limits, then? Is it a suggested guideline, or the maximum speed that you're supposed to go? The couple of times I did 90 from not paying attention, I got pulled over. First time was a warning, the second was a ticket. [[Also got another speeding ticket on Stadium in Ann Arbor my first year up there... I was used to driving 40-50 on major top streets in Detroit on my way to work, and wasn't thinking. The limit by the stadium is 35 and the cops always sit there.)
Not everyone has our lackadaisical attitude about MPH. I remember driving my adviser and another grad student home from a seminar in Lansing. I was going 80 and they called me Speedy until I pointed out that I was being passed up by most people on the road. Prof was from NoCal, and the grad student last lived in Colorado. They said they'd never seen anyone go as fast as Michigan drivers.
Travel on the right, pass on the left.Quote:
So now I understand why I piss off people on M-14 when I'm in the left lane in my subcompact doing 80. They sit on my tail menacingly, then zip past. That pisses me off because I'm already 10 over... I didn't know we were supposed to go 90+ out there. I only go that fast to keep up with traffic, but everyone seems to drive 80-100 on that road if the weather conditions are good.
When you're finished passing, return to the right. There is no specific speed at which its OK to stay in the left lane. If someone wishes to pass, you should get over to the right as soon as you can, then get back in the left lane when you need to pass a car in front of you in the right lane.
Just a neighborly driving tip.
Yeah, the left lane is the "hammer lane." Unlimited speed in fair weather seems to be the norm. I ain't saying it's legal, but these days those going the speed limit should be prepared to stay right.
^Wow. Thanks -- I had no idea.
I drive Chicago-Ann Arbor a lot. Frequently on I-94 there will be a pattern of a dozen cars in the left lane and one slower car in the right lane. I drive in the right lane, squeeze to the left lane around the slow car and then back to the right lane to pass another dozen cars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Det_ard
English, yours is the common understanding of Michigan's liberal 'any-lane' language in the driver's handbook. I just read through the latest version to see what they've changed. It is tragic that the term "Right of Way" isn't defined like it used to be, and the term is almost not used in the entire book!
91www.Michigan.gov/sos
and again later in the handbook [[while searching for what they say about Right-of-Way, now that they have eighteen pages on driving under the influence):Quote:
Passing on the Right
When two or more lanes of traffic are moving in the same direction, passing other vehicles in either lane is allowed. However, slower moving vehicles should always stay in the lane farthest to the right except when preparing to make a left turn.
When driving in the right lane, passing another vehicle should be done cautiously, as the driver of the other vehicle may not see you and may turn into your path.
Passing on the right of another vehicle by crossing the solid white line that marks the edge of the roadway is prohibited, even if the shoulder is paved or a bike lane is present. It is also illegal to use a right-turn lane for passing.
In some states, keeping the passing lane open is heavily enforced, while in others...I've noticed that the plain-language warning stating that "Trucks Must Use Right Lane" is often misunderstood to mean 'cars use only the left lane'! When in reality it is cars can only use the left lane, but both cars and trucks get to use the right lane...way too much to say on a sign that'll be passed in two seconds.Quote:
On a two-lane freeway, drive in the right lane except when passing, exiting to the left, allowing another vehicle to merge onto the freeway, when the lanes are fully occupied with heavily congested traffic, or when emergency vehicles or construction workers are on the shoulder.
On a freeway with three or more lanes of travel in the same direction, you may drive in any lane, however, if driving at or near the minimum speed limit, drivers should stay in the lane with the slower moving traffic. A commercial vehicle with a gross vehicle weight of more than 10,000 pounds, a truck tractor, or a combination vehicle with a trailer must stay in either of the two lanes farthest to the right, unless otherwise designated.
Luckily, our Driver's Handbook now has a few pages on Road Rage...taking a cue from California's extensive instruction set on how to properly rage on your fellow motorists.
One of my most harrowing experiences as a passenger was when a professor from UofM drove me on M-14 to I-275 to I-696. He was from the East Coast, and didn't seem to notice that his average speed of 50 mph was causing a ruckus for miles behind us! He was in his own little world.Quote:
Aggressive Driving and Road Rage
Watch for aggressive drivers. Aggressive drivers run stop signs and red lights, speed, tailgate, weave their vehicles in and out of traffic, pass on the right, and may make improper hand gestures. They sometimes yell at you, honk their horns, or flash their headlights. You must watch for these drivers because their actions place them and other motorists at an increased risk for traffic accidents. We have all seen aggressive drivers. They disregard their own safety as well as that of others. Do not be an aggressive driver. Be courteous and aware of the traffic around you. Take a moment to think about the driving behaviors that bother you. If you drive in the same manner, your behavior probably annoys other drivers. Avoid the following behaviors:
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Driving slowly in the left lane. Use all lanes properly and obey the speed limit. If you are using the left-hand lane to pass slower traffic and someone tailgates you, move back into the right-hand lane when it is safe to do so and allow the faster traffic to move ahead. Driving in the left-hand lane and allowing traffic to build up behind you increases the chances aggressive drivers may take careless risks attempting to get around you.
Never gesture at other drivers when you become angry...Don’t let yourself become a victim of road rage.
I don't passenger well...but this one took the cake.
Cheers
Yeah, pass on the left, except when you can't. I do this too, but try to limit it to when I don't have to do a lot of "fancy driving."Quote:
Originally Posted by xphillipjrx
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Originally Posted by xphillipjrx
Yeah, me too.
But the one that makes me berzerk is when two semi-trucks drive side-by-side and force traffic to stack up behind them during rush hour. You see that all across the country...apparently truckers don't like us little four-wheelers that much.
Cheers
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Originally Posted by Midtown McGee
I didn't think anyone was burning any respect on the guy...no matter your perspective. I not sure even Camillo respects Camillo.
He was probably heading to Gingerman Raceway if he was heading out 94.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midtown McGee
Your professor must have been on my dissertation committee. :) God bless 'em, but no, it does NOT take 90 minutes to reach a school in southern Oakland County from Ann Arbor. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannon
Crazy things happen when physics takes over. Let's just hope the driver isn't involved in nefarious activities like dispensing Daterape drugs or cocaine. Hmmmmm?Quote:
Originally Posted by BrushStart
I love it when a thread revives after 4 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannon
Funny how the manual calls out the person who "flashes headlights" to ask traffic to move over as aggressive. In Europe it's how you know to move over on the autobahn. No one takes it personally, they just move over.
They've changed the law so that you are required to vacate the left lane to allow others to pass. People still hog it, though, thinking "I'm already doing 10 over, no one should be going faster than me". This results in a pack of cars doing 75, tapping their brakes until someone blows around on the right. And God help us all if the nervous person in the "lead" sees a cop car. Then they all slow to 60. Smh.
Keep right, except to pass.
http://www.legislature.mi.gov/[[S[[mve...SSING-ETC..pdf
The exception to the statute is a situation wherein the driver is anticipating a left turn or exit.
I cannot stand that. I sometimes think cops purposely drive under the limit just to see if this happens so they have something to laugh about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gpwrangler