Dissident Shawn Fain Elected UAW President

Change continues to roll over the UAW as the first non-insider, Shawn Fain, has narrowly been elected its new president in the wake of scandals that saw two of the UAW's former presidents sent to prison.

This has huge implications for Detroit, the upcoming contract negotiations, and the Union's choice of a target company in September. It also comes at time of upheaval as the auto companies rapidly transition from ICE to EV.

Fain is considered more militant than the old guard. He is considered hostile to Stellantis [formerly Chrysler] for whom he worked and the company that famously corrupted union officials during its days as Chrysler-Fiat. GM is also considered a target.

Full article from today's Free Press here.

Considering that RTW has been repealed those coffers should be overflowing soon with plenty of opportunities for future revenue “bonuses “.

With EVs its easy enough for the companies to branch off in different divisions elsewhere in the country as separate divisions and just phase out murky waters if it comes down to that,no good having an arm twisting union,if there is no arms to twist.

I started with UAW local 140 back in the 1960's, then went to local 212 at the Mack Ave stamping plant on a diemaker apprenticeship. Joe Zappa was president of local 212 then and it had the largest membership. The UAW was good to me and I hope everything works out for the best.

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The UAW's revenue come from its investments mostly, not from dues as in the early days of the union. IMHO RTW is grossly unfair in that the National Labor Relations Act of 1935 forces a union to negotiate contracts on behalf of all workers in the bargaining unit, and to represent all workers who have grievances, who face disciplinary measures, etc., whether or not they pay dues. These duties aren't optional, but paying dues is optional. Eliminating RTW simply eliminates this unfairness. Calling it "right to work" was a clever marketing gimmick dreamed up by a union buster on Madison Ave.

Granted, more dues mean more revenue in union coffers, but the primary source of revenue will continue to be the Wall St. portfolio.

P.S. It's worth noting that Congress never attempted to revise the NLRA vis-a-vis the RTW so-called, even when Democrats had the power to do so. IMHO the fact that Michigan repealed RTW is something Michiganders ought to be proud of. YMMV.

I really do not know much about unions,or what they invest like n on Wall Street.

So I am limited to research and what I find is how union dues is spent is a closely regulated ordeal and have been able to find zero on Wall Street investments.

So the next thing is to see where the collected dues are actually spent,like in the case of where the teachers union spent $66 million in 2020 alone supporting progressive,liberal and democrat politicians.

I am not going political but that 66 million was over and above what they collected from members over and above for PACs.

In fact they only spent 9% of $374 million collected in representative activities for the members.

https://americansforfairtreatment.or...-your-dues-go/

The union is operating as a super pac for the Democratic Party and when they spend more in politics then representing the workers it would question what their mission really is.

When jobs were fleeing this country while the union was pumping millions per year into super pacs why were the jobs allowed to leave,surly it was in the best interests of the union to have more jobs so they could collect more fees.

They clearly have the power to sway public policy but they did not.

The feds fought to get the mob out of the unions,but after a little research it’s clear it was more of a power play so another mob could step in and collect in the form of super pacs.

I would be interested in knowing how they invest in Wall Street when were their money goes is a closely scrutinized public disclosure.

The hotel workers union went on strike in Atlantic city demanding more wages from the casinos after the crash of 2008,the casinos did not budge and bankrupted and shut it all down,14,000 lost their jobs overnight and were stuck in a city that had no jobs to replace them.

So what is to stop the auto manufacturers in Detroit from saying,we are moving production of EVs to a non union state as separate entities like they have already told you they are going to structure ,and just shut down production in Michigan bankrupting the ice divisions in order to get rid of the legacy costs that have them at a disadvantage.

Push comes to shove and it comes down to survival who do you think is going to make sure they survive ?

Michigan is a graveyard of past auto manufacturing brand names,the most recent being Chrysler/Dodge.

In the EV world nobody is going to care if their EV is a Ford or GM,brand loyalty went out the trunk decades ago,car manufacturers loyalty to the customer went out the trunk decades ago.

Their one and only goal is to sell products,if those products get built in Mexico they do not care.

The only objective of a corporation is to make money for the shareholders,they can set up a base to make that money anywhere in the world.

My question is,if the unions mission is to protect the workers and offer them security in employment why have they spent 100s of millions supporting politicians as the very jobs their members need are and have been shipped overseas.

Second question is,how come the non union manufacturers in the south are not being subject to the same abuse that the the union members are paying a fee every month to avoid?

There are actually already labor laws in place that offer the same protections as the union does,people pay taxes on top of dues in order to benefit from those laws.

The difference is after paying all of those years of dues making everybody else comfortable financially,a company decides to shut down and you are out of a job,you are still out of a job.

Its funny,the unions in this country have been fighting for the workers for decades,but they still only get a 30 min lunch break and 2 15 minute breaks.

In France,you get 2 hours for lunch,everybody shuts down.

My uncle was in the union with a major auto manufacturer,he was a line Forman,when affirmative action kicked in,they used to send the new hire African Americans to his line and he would make sure they quit pretty quick,but the manufacturer met there quota for new hire African Americans,it was not their fault that they quit after a week.

He was protected by the union,where was the new hires protection ?

I am not anti union or pro union,it’s a numbers thing for me,when I see millions collected based on looking out for the workers best interests while they very jobs those workers depend on have been flying out the window for decades.

The return on investment from the workers dues pretty much sucks for the workers,they are paying dues every month with no guarantee that they will have a job from one day to the next.

But yet millions of their money is being spent to make politicians rich and to further their careers and $500k a year salaries so people can figure out what politicians to support.

It would probably be better if the millions in collected dues were spent on Wall Street investments and the workers were supplied with a pension of sorts over and above.

But the reality of it is and like with my friend,retirement from an auto manufacturer at age 40 and not having work anymore,is a thing of the past.

There is no way in the world U.S. auto makers as they exist today can compete with a new EV start up while holding decades in legacy costs.

If they are going to survive they have no choice but to shed dead weight which is anything and everything related to ICE and the decades behind it.

The elephant in the room is,where does that leave Michigan and Detroit in this new world of the future.

Granted you have welcome China into your loins with a battery factory investment and Ford has revamped the train station so that’s a start.

But Ford also took a 3 billion dollar loss this year and still wakes up to a new day.

3 billion sounds like a lot to us little people but it is a drop in the bucket to companies like Ford,they could probably take a 1 year 50 billion dollar hit and exit the state completely and not bat an eye because it becomes a 1 year hit and not counted as a long term loss.

All of those manufacturers can walk tomorrow and not bat an eye if it becomes cheaper and easier to do business in another state or country and now that you are so deep in bed with the unions,what company in their right mind is even going to look at investing there.

Shareholders look at numbers,they do not care about train stations or history or anything else,the CEO make those numbers or they are replaced.

Its about having options,on one hand steps were taken to protect your options today,but on the other hand removing the options of the future is the price you will pay.

You guys already went down that road before and you are still paying the price for what almost completely destroyed you,I am finding it hard to understand why you are choosing to follow the same path when you know full well it led to your destruction the last time?

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yep sticking your head in the sand has worked out so well in the past,so keep doing it while expecting different results.

You said that the union has Wall Street investments,please educate me and show me where those investments are.

The Biden administration awarded $36 billion Thursday to prevent cuts to the pensions of roughly 357,000 union workers and retirees.
It’s the largest federal award of its kind, according to theWhite House

• The $1.9 trillion Covid relief bill offers $86 billion in grants to failing multi-employer pension plans, to help pay benefits for union workers.
• Funding in more than 100 plans [[nearly 10% of the total) are in critical shape. A Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation program that serves as a financial backstop is also nearly insolvent.
• If the unions were investing in Wall Street they would not need non union taxpayers to bail them out,so the reality of it is,hard working non union taxpayers are having to pay the way for union members to enjoy the benefits of what the union provides.
• So one union alone spends $66 million to fund politicians and then has to be bailed out by everyday non union workers.

You are forcing me as a taxpayer to support the unions and the candidates of their choice when I have zero to do with unions and want zero to do with the candidates of their choice.

So how come that same $66 million was not spent on the members who put it up ?

So you are taking not only members dues to support causes and politicians you are also forcing non members,People that have zero to do with unions a forcing them to support the unions and to pay to support politicians that they would never support.

You would be okay with me forcing you to kick in to financially support a candidate of my choice while not giving you a choice?

The more I dig into it,the unions are not there to support the workers,they are there to exploit the workers for the benefit of the politicians,it’s like a little socialist run country within a country disguised as a union.

The reality is you guys just hitched your wagon to a dead horse ,and like Mr Henry instead of dealing with it,people are going to stick their head in the sand and hope it goes away.

Just great going down this fricking rabbit hole,now in the future when somebody tells me they are retired on a pension it will be a fancy way of saying they are on section 8 and I have to pay more in taxes in order to help support them so they can live a comfortable lifestyle.

Better then me in a lot of cases.

You have to admit they are pretty savoy,spend $66 million to buy politicians and get $86 billion in return ,people are sitting in prison for schemes like that.

So how exactly did the unions protect the workers,they did not they just used them as a means to an end and between them and the politicians squandered their money and forced them onto the public dole in the end.

No wonder RTW was repealed in Michigan,it’s a very profitable enterprise for the politicians that support it at the cost of the workers and every other taxpayer in the country.

No wonder they did not care about jobs leaving this country and actually protecting the workers best interests,they knew if they supported enough socialist friendly politicians they would be able to generate revenue and convince them to operate and treat it as a socialist tool in order to push that agenda.

It’s not the union anymore,it’s the socialist workers party where everybody goes to work and puts into the system and the government pays their pension,no different then in China or Russia.

The union boss is the party representative between the workers and the state,no different then in China where every business has to have a CCP representative on site.

Talk about a coup.

Irregardless of what the unions used to be and how they protected the workers,those days are long gone,they appear to have become a financial tool of the socialist and progressive party’s agenda and a door into what they have become,a socialist workers party tool to generate revenue for those at the top so they can gain power and influence,at the sacrifice of the very workers they are supposed to protect.

A Trojan horse.

This guy talks a tough game. We'll see how tough he is soon enough

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Taft-Hartley de-fanged our labor unions and neo-liberalism castrated them, making it nearly impossible for the Fain regime to be tough. But hopefully it will be less corrupt.

Labor Union Depictions in Hollywood [[Part I): From Demonized to Ignored or Mafia Plot Cliché. Adam Johnson, Citations Needed | July 27, 2022

“One of Hollywood’s longstanding and most favored tropes: the corrupt, mobbed up union, and more specifically, the corrupt union boss. It lends itself to countless stories: The rise and fall of a Mafia-backed labor head, the rebellion of rank-and-file workers against their tyrannical leadership, the precarious union on the verge of implosion. Accordingly, over and over again, we’ve seen stories of labor unions entangled with extortion, bribery, blackmail, theft and murder.”

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...labor unions entangled with extortion, bribery, blackmail, theft and murder.”

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Doing the math, it turns out that everyone is corrupt.

Jesus of Nazareth may have been the exception that proves the rule. It's a pity that his ideas never caught on.

Did anyone else notice his name echoes "Sinn Féin"? His parents must have had ideas for their boy.

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UAW reaches milestone in filing for union vote at second nonunion automaker
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/u...144537177.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyHpGNo1K4U
President Fain NJ CEASE message

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UAW President Fain shares why a new lawsuit was filed and why New Jersey casino workers deserve a safe and healthy working environment.

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President Fain NJ CEASE message

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Thanks to removing the UAW's criminal element -- in other words, the UAW's old-guard leadership from coast to coast -- Fain's an unintended consequence.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyHpGNo1K4U
President Fain NJ CEASE message

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Thats what they said in Atlantic City as they helped bankrupt the casino industry there and 7000 lost their jobs forever overnight.

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Thats what they said in Atlantic City as they helped bankrupt the casino industry there and 7000 lost their jobs forever overnight.

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They'll find work. The economy is booming right? :cool:

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They'll find work. The economy is booming right? :cool:

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Of course. They'll find better jobs :cool:

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They'll find work. The economy is booming right? :cool:

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I guess it depends on where one is sitting on the gravy train,holding the reins or riding in the back of the buckboard. :cool:

It’s like squeezing blood from a turnip trying to pass increased costs down to the consumer anymore.

When the dollar stores start shutting down,ya might have an economics problem.

The upper middle class is spending like there is no tomorrow while the middle class on down is hurting,it’s like we are back in the 70s again.

Clearly those at the top are out of touch with reality or maybe they figure if you wish for something hard enough it becomes reality all by itself or people will believe it,the increased costs are just everybody’s imagination.

There were no more jobs in Atlantic City after the casinos shut down everybody had to move to find one.

On an off note - There was an apartment in the building that Nucky Lived in the series Board Walk Empire,listed for sale for $75,000 it was the Ritz hotel in the series but still like it was in all its glamour when built in the late 1800s,really cool building ,anywhere else that would be $600k to over 1 million.

But between the union and the mob by the time you give everybody their kickbacks it probably would cost more to live there then in Manhattan.

SUNDOWNING ai Orange Julius BLASTS MSNBC WITH “THE NARCISSIST’S PRAYER”
https://youtu.be/f5FB7_xvD84

Woodford Reserve tried to undermine unionization effort at its Kentucky distillery, judge rules [[yahoo.com)

In 1917 the Richman Bros opened a new men’s clothing factory in Cleveland Ohio.The father started the original one in 1873.

The brothers wanted each employe to feel like they were a part of the family,so they had

2 weeks paid vacation,maternity leave,36 hour work week,no time clocks and no interest loans to any employee going through a rough time and the founder knew each of the 2000 employees by name.

In the 1940s they expanded the employee benefit package to include,free life insurance,hospital and surgery benefits,childbirth benefits and expanded payed vacation to 3 weeks and pensions for anybody working for over 15 years.

They were non union

In 1950 the ACWA - Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America Union starting picketing all of their 43 clothing store locations while trying to force them to become unionized.

They actually had better benefits as a non union factory then the union factories did.

In 1969 the company sold to FW Woolworth and in 1990 FW Woolworth considered the factory financially unstable and shut it down.

They had kept Richman Bros as a stand alone company and by 1975 they had 275 stores in 39 states while they took the union battle to the U.S. Supreme Court.

They always remained a non union company until closure and had over 4000 employees in those 39 states.

So if the unions goal is worker protection,why would they spend so much time and energy destroying a non union factory that actually provided better benefits then what as being offered by the union?

For an organization that claims to be for the workers,they sure have a history of destroying jobs and putting 1000s out of work at a time.

Those jobs are never replaced.

Clothing Workers v. Richman Brothers Co. :: 348 U.S. 511 [[1955) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

Interesting case with monumental relevance this month in that federal courts can't enjoin NY State proceedings against Orange Julius.

Much as the traitorous majority in SCOTUS may wish to save his turd-caked ass later this month in the porn star hush-money trial, we're still a nation of laws. So, thank you 348 U.S. 511 [1955].

And thanks U.S. courts, prosecutors FBI, etc., for cleaning union corruption among Teamsters, UAW. etc.

"Labor Law - Federal Procedure - Stay of State Court Proceedings Involv" by Arne Hovdesven S.Ed. [[umich.edu)

P.S. Are Diaper Dictator's Depends expenses tax deductible?

https://youtu.be/_umTRhBwEMI

https://youtu.be/TEd_Rkxs93s

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...And thanks U.S. courts, prosecutors FBI, etc., for cleaning union corruption among Teamsters, UAW. etc.

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Southern governors tell autoworkers that voting for a union will put their jobs in jeopardy [[yahoo.com)

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Southern governors tell autoworkers that voting for a union will put their jobs in jeopardy [[yahoo.com)

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Yeah, well, if the southern states had ever really cared about workers' jobs there never would have been The Great Migration in the first place.

They already failed that test long ago.

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Yeah, well, if the southern states had ever really cared about workers' jobs there never would have been The Great Migration in the first place.

They already failed that test long ago.

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How’s that working out for Y’all now,you went from The highest paid workers in the country to the highest poverty rate,with all the major rust belt cities left in ruins.

The union did not force Henry Ford to offer the $5 wage that set off the great migration,correct ?

At that time 95% was agricultural,and then somebody invented these things called machines that replaced workers,Kinda like they are doing now,every month 1000 s of union jobs are lost,but it’s the south’s fault because they just will not get into lockstep.

Sense 2018 128.7 million people moved from the north to the south,they did not move to pick cotton or join the union.

Like locusts,swarming in and consuming cities then when they are left in ruins they move on to the next one.

“Attention would-be war workers! Stay away from Detroit unless you have definite promise of a job in this city. If you expect a good-paying job in one of the big auto plants at this time, you’re doomed to disappointment and hardship.” For the next two years there were always over 100,000 unemployed Detroiters, most of them autoworkers, with the official total reaching 250,000 in August 1952. At one point in 1952, 10 percent of all the unemployment in the nation was concentrated in Detroit. Moreover, you were counted as “employed” if you worked as little as one hour per week. Underemployment was a chronic problem that remained invisible in official unemployment statistics. Again, this was all after those lucrative 1950 contracts were signed. The wages and benefits written into those agreements gave a misleading impression of how autoworkers actually lived.

https://themetropole.blog/2020/01/30...-postwar-boom/

So there actually never a time in Detroit where the union promises were held up.

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Bite me, Dick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-miHjbyIZTk
This Election Could Upend the Auto Industry

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Volkswagen workers in Tennessee could win a union at a non-union car company for the first time in decades. This week, they vote on joining the UAW. If they win, it'll change the course of history and set the American labor movement on a new path.

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bite me, dick.

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The NLRB is counting VW ballots in Chattanooga with results expected around 11 p.m. on Saturday. We already know where Governor Bill Lee stands, and tomorrow we'll know what Tennessee's peons have to say for themselves in the master-slave dialectic.

Masters, Slaves & Meanings | Issue 86 | Philosophy Now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxcl3S3_W2o
This Is The Biggest Win For Workers In Decades

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Over 4,000 Volkswagen workers in Tennessee just joined the UAW. They’re the first American workers to win a union at a non-union car company in decades. This historic victory will change the auto industry, and the future of American labor.

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Say what you will about Shawn Fain's personality and methods [[which are petty things to nitpick), but he's accomplishing a lot more than any other UAW leader in the past 50 years to bolster the union and deserves credit for it.

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Yeah, well, if the southern states had ever really cared about workers' jobs there never would have been The Great Migration in the first place.

They already failed that test long ago.

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The Reverse Great Migration [[1970 -Present)

These are the fastest growing metro areas in the country

1. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, Texas – +152,598

2. Houston-Pasadena-The Woodlands, Texas – +139,789

3. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, Ga – +68,585

4. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, Fla – +54,916

5. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Fla – +51,622


6. Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC – +50,458

7. Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX – +50,105

8. Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, Ariz. – +49,240

9. San Antonio-New Braunfels, Texas – +48,071

10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, Fla. – +43,387

This is a huge win for Shawn Fain and the UAW.

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How’s that working out for Y’all now,you went from The highest paid workers in the country to the highest poverty rate,with all the major rust belt cities left in ruins.

The union did not force Henry Ford to offer the $5 wage that set off the great migration,correct ?

At that time 95% was agricultural,and then somebody invented these things called machines that replaced workers,Kinda like they are doing now,every month 1000 s of union jobs are lost,but it’s the south’s fault because they just will not get into lockstep.

Sense 2018 128.7 million people moved from the north to the south,they did not move to pick cotton or join the union.

Like locusts,swarming in and consuming cities then when they are left in ruins they move on to the next one.

“Attention would-be war workers! Stay away from Detroit unless you have definite promise of a job in this city. If you expect a good-paying job in one of the big auto plants at this time, you’re doomed to disappointment and hardship.” For the next two years there were always over 100,000 unemployed Detroiters, most of them autoworkers, with the official total reaching 250,000 in August 1952. At one point in 1952, 10 percent of all the unemployment in the nation was concentrated in Detroit. Moreover, you were counted as “employed” if you worked as little as one hour per week. Underemployment was a chronic problem that remained invisible in official unemployment statistics. Again, this was all after those lucrative 1950 contracts were signed. The wages and benefits written into those agreements gave a misleading impression of how autoworkers actually lived.

https://themetropole.blog/2020/01/30...-postwar-boom/

So there actually never a time in Detroit where the union promises were held up.

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Richard, you just can't accept the fact that this is the beginning of the end of corporate greed in the Auto Industry.

And a lot of that is due to the advent of air conditioning in schools and industry.

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The Reverse Great Migration [[1970 -Present)

These are the fastest growing metro areas in the country

1. Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, Texas – +152,598

2. Houston-Pasadena-The Woodlands, Texas – +139,789

3. Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Roswell, Ga – +68,585

4. Orlando-Kissimmee-Sanford, Fla – +54,916

5. Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, Fla – +51,622


6. Charlotte-Concord-Gastonia, NC-SC – +50,458

7. Austin-Round Rock-San Marcos, TX – +50,105

8. Phoenix-Mesa-Chandler, Ariz. – +49,240

9. San Antonio-New Braunfels, Texas – +48,071

10. Miami-Fort Lauderdale-West Palm Beach, Fla. – +43,387

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Agreed jcole, and don't forget the widespread adoption of A/C in vehicles. Hot places were undesirable before A/C.

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Richard, you just can't accept the fact that this is the beginning of the end of corporate greed in the Auto Industry.

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How was it corporate greed ? They were already paying a higher wage than the local average with benefits.

It’s called capitalism,do you give people more money then they ask for?

Look at what is happening in Cuba as they are collapsing under your line of thinking,their average monthly salary is now $13 and all of their subsidies under communism is now being cut in half.

Can you feed your family on 1 pound of rice a week?

Look at the history of the auto manufacturers in Detroit ,read the link I posted.

You will see what you call corporate greed when the same exact thing happens in Tennessee that happened in Detroit.

The manufacturers move production to Mexico.

The purpose of a corporation is to make money for its shareholders,as the unions have discovered,if it cannot do that it no longer will exist,or the jobs they provided.

Look around ,it’s pretty clear.

What do you think is going to happen now ?

If an auto worker in Detroit can make the same salary in the south as in Detroit at 1/2 the COL where are they going to live?

I have a friend in Alabama that works in a non union auto supplier shop,he has a new house on 5 acres,drives new cars,his wife stays at home raising the kids and has plenty left over for the toys.

He is living the American dream,how exactly is he able to do that based on corporate greed ?

So what’s going to happen now - wages across the board in a given region are going to increase,which is also going to raise the costs of everything else,so at the end of the day it will become the same as what happened in Detroit - a zero sum game.

So they are going to end up needing to make more in the future in order to keep up with the vicious cycle,the same exact cycle that destroyed Detroit and the region there.

I do not know enough about unions to be anti-union so I base it on cause and effect. And when it is staring you right in the face it is hard to ignore.

Supply and demand dictates prevailing wages,when you artificially dictate wages you get what is happening,corporations look to cut labor costs with automation,so then you have less workers having to pay more taxes to make up for all the ones no longer working.

The Mc Donald’s by me used to have 4 at the counter taking orders,now there is one,that one makes more but the others that were replaced by the kiosks do not have a job anymore.

As a society what is better 1 in 4 working at a higher wage while having to support the other 3 ,so how exactly are they making more money when the tax increase just makes them to do twice the amount of work for the same wage.

That’s the irony with the people running about yelling evil corporations,nobody is actually forcing you to work for them.

Do not like them,do not work for them,it’s not that complicated.

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Happy Days Are Here Again - Wikipedia

But my guess is that SCOTUS will act quickly to abort worker rights in order to prevent the rise of a new middle class.

Supreme Court's Starbucks’ case could impact union-busting efforts [[usatoday.com)

when the 1958 recession devastated Detroit’s autoworkers and their neighborhoods. Over a quarter of a million Detroiters, mostly autoworkers and those whose jobs were supported by their income, were out of work in early 1958, and unemployment remained at least that high, and often worse, for well over a year. MESC Director Max Horton remarked that if he were one of the long-term unemployed autoworkers, he “would start seeking a job in some other line of work.”
But regardless of that advice, many autoworkers ended up having no choice. The auto industry in the 1950’s was a boom-and-bust industry, and every good phase for workers—1950, 1953, 1955—was followed by a tough stretch that wiped out whatever precarious toehold they had established.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/histo...try-180972139/


What is middle class? A term invented by politicians to scare people saying they can have an dream that they will never have by working for somebody,always has been.

In the 1970s there was 180,000 millionaires in the U.S. in 2024 there are 24.5 million millionaires.

There is more opportunity to become “rich” then there ever was,even a school teacher can go on Only Fans and make $500k a year.

Autoworkers were never considered middle class in the first place.

What the socialists are trying to do is make flipping hamburgers a no skilled job that pays $250k a year,bringing nothing to the table while complaining about greedy corporations,how about learning a skill or trade or be a doctor and actually bring something to the table and establish worth instead expecting a salary based on what one thinks they deserve.

One would think that those who live in a city that has been historically subject to the ups and downs of the automobile industry and the devastation that happens during every downturn would understand the basics.

Did the unions save Detroit? They do not actually produce jobs and like the guy said they did not build that,they are no different than the greedy corporations,taking advantage of the people they represent for their own personal gain.

What is preventing a union from starting a company and running it like they demand of others ?

Maybe they figured out that it is not profitable and they are not that stupid.

They can lead by example,put up billions and risk it all just like every other business,but if one has no skin in the game it is easy to place demands on others,what do they have to lose when everybody loses their jobs ?

They still get paid.

The federal government set the 40 hour work week,the federal government set the guidelines for workplace safety,the federal government set workers comp,so exactly what is the role of the unions?

Other then being the mob and telling companies to pay X amount of dollars or risk being shut down ,just like it is in any third world dictatorship country.

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...more than any other UAW leader in the past 50 years to bolster the union and deserves credit for it.

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More than any since the assassination of Walter Reuther.

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Originally Posted by Richard

...workers comp

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Too stupid to read [TSTR] as usual.

P.S. Unions are banned in dictatorships.

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More than any since the assassination of Walter Reuther.

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There can be little disagreement that he's been effective. As presumably everyone knows, the UAW has attempted to organize that plant multiple times in the past, and aside from the fact that there's a generally more pro-union vibe in the country than there has been since probably the 60s, the fact is that he's greatly increased the credibility of the UAW and made a pro-union vote much more appealing.

Of course it's one thing to win the vote, and another thing to get a contract and still another to make workers better off. But winning the vote comes first, and they've done that.

The UAW's focus on the South, backed by $40 million in spending,

To gain 4300 members,I wonder what the rate of return is on that ?

If it was such a great thing since sliced cheese why would somebody need spend $40 million to convince people to join ?

Just as many corruption charges under the current watch as the past in 2024 - so who is cleaning up the unions outside of the feds catching them at the cost of millions in taxpayer dollars,I think they should be looking at the unions for prosecution reimbursement costs no different then they charge anybody else.

https://news.lrionline.com/sticky-fi...nduct-in-2024/

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[TSTR] as usual.

Duck, You Suckers: The Liberation

The Parasitic Saboteurs in Power must and will fall, inevitably.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

— John F. Kennedy

[QUOTE=Jimaz;642007"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."[/QUOTE]

Noam Chomsky - The Crimes of U.S. Presidents
https://youtu.be/5BXtgq0Nhsc

https://youtu.be/VuwgUX5syH4?t=160
UAW President Shawn Fain live from Detroit, MI 4/23/24

• Store.UAW.org
• UAW.org

35:29: "It's time we have to fight this battle as a global working class."

— Shawn Fain

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"It's time we have to fight this battle as a global working class."

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Shawn Fain:cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TvWk8oQSN8
Why the unionization of Tennessee Volkswagen workers is a
big breakthrough for UAW

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Employees at Volkswagen’s plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee, have overwhelmingly voted to join the United Auto Workers union. It’s the first time workers at a foreign car maker’s plant in the American South have unionized, giving UAW a foothold in the least-unionized region of the country. John Yang speaks with New York Times reporter Noam Scheiber to learn more.

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• Could the Union Victory at VW Set Off a Wave?
• UAW.org

https://youtu.be/SUl8OYjuz6o?t=6

Labor Notes - Wikipedia

Now that unions have been deloused of their criminal elements, troublemakers are free to delouse Wall Street and its thugs on Pennsylvania Ave.

A Troublemaker's Handbook - Dan LaBotz.pdf - Google Drive

2024 alone

The conviction of Muriel Newman, formerly at the helm of AFGE Local 2779, for nine counts of wire fraud and falsification of records in January 2024

Kenneth Wynder Jr., former President of the Law Enforcement Employees Benevolent Association [[LEEBA), sentenced to 40 months in prison in January 2024 for a slew of charges including wire fraud and tax evasion,

The indictment of Randal Dunlap for embezzling around $86,000 from the National Association of Letter Carriers Branch 1018’s coffers in January 2024 underscores a blatant disregard for the financial contributions of union members

Beyond individual acts of corruption, systemic issues such as the illegal dues deduction schemecontested by Brunilda Vargas against UAW Local 5502 spotlight the broader problem of unions not always acting in the best interest of their constituents.

Internal Conflicts and Power Misuse: Altercations such as the one involving Joe Duffle of UFCW Local 1167 and retaliation claims, such as the one filed by John Cwiek against Teamsters Local 63, expose the internal strife and power dynamics that can compromise union integrity

The Teamsters’ Discrimination Settlement: The $2.9 million settlement of a discrimination lawsuit against the Teamsters, alleging wrongful termination based on race, further complicates the narrative on union trustworthiness.

https://news.lrionline.com/sticky-fi...nduct-in-2024/

2023

https://www.atr.org/the-year-of-the-union-corruption/

One could say they hardly have been deloused of their criminal elements,it’s not hard to do a search.

Its the federal government and every taxpayer that is tasked with cleaning up the unions,I am not seeing where the taxpayers are being reimbursed for prosecution expenses.