This is unbelievable A lone gunman walked into MSU's Berkey Hall and MSU Union Hall and open fire on anyone. Three people are dead 5 are injured.
Here is the source.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...-shooter-dead/
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This is unbelievable A lone gunman walked into MSU's Berkey Hall and MSU Union Hall and open fire on anyone. Three people are dead 5 are injured.
Here is the source.
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/...-shooter-dead/
And already we're hearing the always-asked yet never-answered "What was the motive?"
You'd think the answer would be as newsworthy as the question, even after the coverage faded away.
Why is that? :confused:
Just another mentally ill person with access to a gun. It's the same story over and over again.
Guns are supposed to make us safer, yet here in the US where we've got more of them, we find ourselves near the top of the charts for gun violence deaths. It's almost as if the whole "more guns = more safe" thing is a complete and total lie...
The NRA will have its national convention in Indianapolis in April. Of course, that event will be conducted inside of a gun-free zone... because they know better...
No, guns aren't necessarily meant to make us safer, they're meant to keep us from tyranny, which is WAY more lethal than the occasional group shooting. Think tens or hundreds of millions dead.
A more likely reason for violence [of all types] is women being paid to have children they can't raise, combined with a closing of all the mental institutions.
It was not a movie,it was a war where they rolled through countries where they rounded millions up and either slaughtered them into pits or loaded them up on box cars.
If one follows the international news,every day a place of worship is bombed where 100s die,entire classrooms of children are kidnapped,etc,we live in a violent society and with in this country 350m people,there is going to be a percentage of violent people.
Even when there was mental institutions available there was still violence,you cannot change human nature and you cannot strip everybody naked and pull all of their teeth out and cut their hands off because if they are going to commit violence they are going to find a way.
If there was an answer they would have figured it out 1000s of years ago.
When there is breaking news that does not contain all of the facts people have a tendency to look for solutions and who and what to blame.
The reality is the person to blame is the person that committed the act,the only thing after the fact is trying to understand the motivation behind it and what were the events leading up to it and it does not matter what preventive measures you implement,once they are motivated,they are going to find a way.Each person is an individual that thinks in their own frame of mind,group think or group solutions are not going to work.
Recently a teenage girl committed suicide after being beaten to the point of blacking out by other classmates in school,the school did not even bother to tell her parents even while the beating was being streamed live on social media.
Did not even make the national news,but let it involve a gun and within seconds it is international news.
Like I posted before,there is a distinct pattern in schools that have shootings and out of control violence verses ones that do not but people want to turn a blind eye to that because it fits their narrative even at the cost of innocent lives.
Apparently.
When the left gets absolute power, the end is always horrific in nature.
I take it you've never heard of Stalin, Mao, Poi Pot, etc?
It has been estimated that about 110 million people, foreign and domestic, killed by leftist democide from 1900 to 1987.
Guns protect us from the left, and the genocides they have to enact to try to enforce their idiotic and unworkable social and economic ideas.
I guess Rocket's idiotic sentiment is a step in the right direction since he didn't immediately claim this was a false flag to harm conservatives this time.
"No, guns aren't necessarily meant to make us safer, they're meant to keep us from tyranny, which is WAY more lethal than the occasional group shooting."
FLMAO! If you fear tyranny, like your paranoid statement reflects you are, then possessing a gun will make you feel safer. PWNED!
So which is it? Tyranny or evil, leftist, commubasstards a' comin' to pilfer your house and family? Any other "Others" out there ya wanna call out? Woke [[the Right's new dog whistle for "Thug")? Huh?! Ya got "Birth of a Nation" on perma roll morning, noon and night?
My dood -- we've tried it your way for a while now. Assault weapons ban lifted = more deaths. More guns on the hands of Americans = more deaths. Less gun control = more deaths. It's truly reflective of your character and extremally sad, that you prefer to these deaths as "the occasional group shooting". While we are at it, let's talk about the DB on your side of the aisle that recently refused to disarm in the presence of an MRI machine and then dying getting shot with their own gun. Yeah, that's YOUR guy upholding his "rights".
I know you won't be, but you should be absolutely f-ing ashamed of yourself for having said that. Consider yourself lucky that you've never have had to deal with "the phone call".
You have that Exactly backwards.
The cities in the States that have the strictest gun laws also have the highest murder rate. Think NYC and Chicago. This would be considered a light weekend in Chicago.
Apparently this shooter was mid 40's? And had no known connection to Wayne State?
I wonder if he was on meds?
They released his name already.
This answers a lot:
Nearly All Mass Shooters Since 1966 Have Had 4 Things in Common
Quote:
... A new Department of Justice-funded study of all mass shootings — killings of four or more people in a public place — since 1966 found that the shooters typically have an experience with childhood trauma, a personal crisis or specific grievance, and a “script” or examples that validate their feelings or provide a roadmap. And then there’s the fourth thing: access to a firearm....
- The Violence Project {Check out their database.}
"You have that Exactly backwards.
The cities in the States that have the strictest gun laws also have the highest murder rate. Think NYC and Chicago. This would be considered a light weekend in Chicago.
Apparently this shooter was mid 40's? And had no known connection to Wayne State?
I wonder if he was on meds?
They released his name already."
And this is all you have to say? Nothing but the same ole Republican talking points that have been peddled for close to . . . forever.
Blame mental illness when the Johnny Engler is responsible for putting those with needs in the streets. Sure, let's go there with the "mental illness" talking point: it's a shame that the Republicans who need mental care only find it in the clutches of firearms. Those who claim their little pea shooters keeps them safe from "tyranny" are just Cosplayers who forget that when it comes down to it, your weapons cache will never stand up against the might of the US military. You are completely delusional if you think you could even hang against the local police force, let alone the SWAT team, US National Guard, Military and Special Forces.
Next will be the "if there was only a teacher, good guy, toddler armed with a gun they would have been able to stop this carnage" talking point.
"And had no known connection to Wayne State?" Wow, dood! He had no connection to MSU -- WSU was never mentioned.
"Experts also say that over 90% of families are dysfunctional so by their reasoning 90 out of 100 people are potential school shooters?"
As usual, the logical fallacy bot has entered the chat . . .
^ nice of you to announce your entry,now do you have anything of actual substance to contribute?
Seems like whenever you and another one decides to pop in the only goal is to disrupt,proud of yourself?
"^ nice of you to announce your entry,now do you have anything of actual substance to contribute?
Seems like whenever you and another one decides to pop in the only goal is to disrupt,proud of yourself?"
That was a totally lame retort -- so 20th Century! You really stink at this Internet stuff.
Here, I'll fix it for you: ^ nice of you to announce my [Richard] entry, please continue to make your very substantive contributions to this thread.
"Seems like whenever you and another one decides to pop in the only goal is to provide very effective counterpoints to my many current and past failed arguments, proud of yourself?"
Why yes, yes I am!
PWNED!
FLMAO!
The father of the suspect gunman who went on the shooting spree in MSU Campus shot himself because his mother died. Killing innocent people is his way of blaming God for his mother's death. When he was planning attacks and planning to die. He wants to take lots of innocent people with him.
Folks please understand we can't blame God for our miseries. For we had sinned and came short of the God's Glory. We depend of the false hope of the world that we slowly stop talking to Jesus. It time of all of mankind to start talking to Jesus and cast our sins to Him.
Our hearts and prayers goes out the victim's families who lost their children in our American Educational Institutions.
Mental illness versus guns: which issue is easier to solve? And yes Governor Engler and many other republican governors dismantled state run mental institutions to save money. Also, if there has been an increase in mass shootings since the assault weapons ban was lifted, then it would appear that it's easier to reinstate the ban than bringing back state-run mental institutions, at least in the foreseeable future. Oh, and the fallacy that having guns will keep us safe from "tyranny" is shortsighted. As someone said earlier, the fact that the police, swat team, national guard, and U.S. military have far more firepower than any one American citizen, why bother owning an assault weapon? The fact that there are so many Americans who are okay with "collateral damage" just as long as they can own assault weapons is just sad. Well, that's my two cents.
Tax semi-automatic weapons significantly at production and import. Tax ammunition. Raise the funds necessary for law enforcement and mental health to pay for these never ending very expensive tragedies.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s...ables/table-20
Why the obsession with assault rifles when all types of rifles are used in less than 3% of murders. There was also no assault rifle in Oxford or MSU.
There ought to be better control of all firearms. Secondly, in addition to murders [looks like Alabama isn't reporting them] we need to look at the maimed or wounded -- those hurt bodily or psychologically -- because in most firearms assaults the wounded outnumber the dead.
P.S. Not to mention emotional trauma suffered by family members, friends, classmates, witnesses, etc. And not to mention emotional trauma suffered by society at large just from seeing this insanity happen everyday. And not to mention citizens' loss of faith in legislators who don't give a rat's ass about gun violence.
Oh look the horrific death of more children has lead to grown adults turning into keyboard warriors and name calling and claiming "politics" instead of dealing the the underlying issues that continue to be ignored. A senseless tragedy has happened and you really think being an internet tough guy is going to prove a point? No wonder nothing changes from our elected leaders because they are being elected by idiots.
The left and the right are both responsible for this. Neither side truly cares about solving violence in schools. Both have had their time in power and both have failed to confront the problem. The right is controlled by gun lobbyists who think gun rights are more important than peoples right to live. The left won't truly get rid of guns because they need an "enemy" to continue their fight for more power.
Because some people have a trait called empathy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B6fE2JkvVoo
Only four states, VT, NH, Maine, and Idaho, have a lower homicide rate than Canada which is often used as an acceptable standard. VT is so liberal it elected Bernie. Idaho hasn't voted for a Democratic presidential candidate since 1964. NH and Maine are purple states. Yet they all do better than Canada. Distill out what they have in common and bottle it. Maybe it has more to do with cultures than whom we vote for. What all the Somalis in Maine have to do with Idaho cowboys, I don't know.
I applaud the states you mentioned with having low murder rates, but those states have small populations compared to the rest of the United States. A smaller population on average is also going to have a smaller group of mentally ill people. Again, the easier solution in dealing with mental illness and the mentally ill having guns is to deal with the type of guns being produced. It just seems so simple of a solution. I own a hand gun, but I don't desire to have an assault weapon.
Wow,so only the Right and gun lobbyists support guns?
When you joined the service you took an oath - To support and defend the constitution of the United States of America
The constitution is primary,guns are secondary,people are not protecting guns,they are protecting the constitution that allows them the right to bear arms.
So what happens when we decide to start picking and choosing what parts of the constitution we will follow ?
Constitution dictates that every U.S. citizen is to be treated equally,what happens if you get somebody in power that gets support to change the constitution and remove that ?
Who then decides who gets treated equally and who does not?
We are not a democracy,we do not get to decide,the constitution sets the guidelines that we follow,and history provides us with many examples of what happens when people in power get the sole authority to decide who gets rights and who does not.
I, _____, do solemnly swear [[or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."
^ okay hypocritical troll.
assault rifle, military firearm that is chambered for ammunition of reduced size or propellant charge and that has the capacity to switch between semiautomatic and fully automatic fire.
99% of the time people are calling rifles “assault rifles” are not even assault rifles
The other big requirement for owning a machine gun is that it must have been made before May 19, 1986. It was the Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 which officially closed the NFA registry to new machine guns. After May 19, 1986, private citizens would no longer be allowed to register new machine guns, but transfers of existing registered guns are still allowed.
Because of this, machine guns are becoming more and more expensive as the supply is significantly less than the demand. Get ready for sticker shock if you start shopping around for a machine gun, as you should expect to spend a minimum of $6,000-$10,000 to buy one. Popular models, like M16s and Tommy Guns, are closer to $30,000 or more. Essentially, machine guns are quickly becoming investments rather than practical firearms for use.
Definition of a machine gun
an automatic gun that fires bullets in rapid succession for as long as the trigger is pressed:
How many shooters are running around with $30,000 assault rifles?
I suspect that low population states have a similar per capita ratio of mentally ill people but I don't know that. There tends to be literally more space between people in rural areas if that helps crazy people from being triggered. My best high school friend lapsed into schizophrenia after graduating from U of M. Living in Detroit made him nervous. Moving to a small town in the UP at least calmed him. He complained about hearing the occasional gunshot at night he heard in Detroit. "Insane" people I know of in rural settings were all non-violent. One was a hunter who spent much of his time in the bush in northern Ontario year round doing hunting and trapping. When tragedy struck his family and 6 family members died in six months, he took it hard and disappeared into the woods. The MSU guy grieved when his mother died, fell apart, and took it out on others it seems. Charlie, the hunter, just went away. Same sort of provocation and life disaster but different responses. I have no idea why but those four states must be full of hunting rifles.
Nobody cares what you gun fetish types do or do not call them Dick.
Battle rifle, Black Rifle, AR, AK, Assault Rifle…
What was being referenced are military type rifles in semi-automatic that are lightweight and have a manageable recoil that fire as fast as you can pull the trigger and feature a mil spec 30 round quick detachable magazine for fast reloading that are easily, cheaply and readily available in America. They are designed to be highly effective at killing many people very quickly. The gun of choice for killing at the Las Vegas Country Music Concert, Movie Theaters, Churches, Walmarts, Supermarkets, High Schools, Nightclubs, Downtowns, Shopping Malls and of course the famous Sandy Hook Elementary and Uvalde Elementary School massacres of small children.
What name you call the AR/AK type rifle is irrelevant. They are Human killing Machines.
Ironic that you bring up NFA weapons that are registered with the ATF when whoever owns one has to have a federal firearms license, a complete back round check that takes months including fingerprinting by that agency and the owner pays the tax stamp for the transfer. Plus the weapon can be inspected at any time of the ATFs choosing making sure the weapon hasn’t wandered anywhere. In other words, the Exact kind of effective control and regulation many of us would like to see for AR / AK type weapons so they don’t continue to kill kids in schools or any other location people congregate.
No reason to be obtuse Dick. It is pointless, nobody is fooled.
Wars were fought for centuries before gunpowder was invented,they found a way,a crossbow could kill cause just as much death because it is silent and would not install panic.
Its not being obtuse,if somebody is in that state of mind they are going to find a way to cause harm,people focus in the choice of weapon because they can see it and direct anger towards that.
Somebody mentioned population density as a counter gun violence,does anybody really think that a gang is going to go work at Starbucks if they do not have excess to guns?
Like it has also been posted,people do not want to address the real issues in society,it’s just lazier,easier and more dangerous to blame it on the gun,even better when you can increase the effect by calling it a weapon of war.
More then 46,000 people die each year in auto deaths,they had spent decades and billions to prevent auto deaths,but yet they still happen.
It does not matter what I say,until I say guns are evil and agree with you,you will think of every reason under the sun to oppose me,even as silly as name calling,that’s what these shooters are doing,justifying in their mind as to why people they oppose should die.
So what is that threshold that you have when you are in that mindset,have excess to a gun,but chose not to pick one up and eliminate all those that you oppose?
By the structure of your post and others,you have already justified in your mind that those you oppose are inferior,what stops you from taking it to the next level and acting on it?
Because that’s what these people are doing,justifying in their minds,the gun is just a choice of weapon and if that was not available they would find something else because they have already crossed that threshold.
A smaller version would be,what is the difference between somebody that would not think twice about taking an item from a store without paying for it verses somebody that would not think twice about doing it,or it would never enter their mind.
We're at that point in the argument where guns get compared to cars and crossbows as if it is even close or relevant. Are there a lot of high capacity crossbows out there that are super easy to aim that we are unaware of? Are automobile ACCIDENTS the same as the most efficient weapons on the market whose sole purpose is to kill or injure as quickly as possible? That is where we are at? Do they have this problem in Europe with crossbows and cars, or do they regulate in a way that prevents people from killing at the rate that Americans do? With the slightest bit of scrutiny and comparison to other countries the whole argument laughably falls apart.
Then there is the second part that comes up. Mental health. Right wingers love tossing that out there and claim that the focus should be put on mental health and outreach in this country. Then the people they elect cut funding for mental health and refuse to offer up a healthcare alternative. They also refused to allow the CDC to study gun violence in any way because that too might go against their narrative. Rinse and repeat.
Guns are low effort and maximum impact. The "good guy with a gun" argument is a right wing fever dream where they get to pretend to be Rambo as they clean their arsenal of weaponry that rarely ever happens in real life. Since we like comparing to cars, giving everyone a weapon and the license to shoot whenever threatened would be akin to giving 5 year olds automobiles without any drivers training and expecting them to be good drivers. It is ridiculous and the rest of the world looks at us like we're insane.
The rest of the world contains dictators that slaughter entire villages because they share a different religion,the rest of the world started 2 world wars that saw millions meet their death,civilians including women and children,the rest of the world is in no position to look at us like we are insane.
Why is it you are allowed to provide your discussion with your POV but everybody that disagrees is a PÓS?
That’s what spawns evilness.
What makes you arguments so special? All you are doing is repeating talking points and living in some fantasy world that if you get rid of guns the violence will decrease.
The world looks at us like we are insane? But yet millions across the world risk death in order to come to this country every year.
How come millions are not pouring over Canadas border ?
Do you think it might just be because of our constitution they know they will be allowed protections that no other country provides ?
Did the increase in school shootings occur because of excess to guns?
Guns have been around for a long time.
Or did school shootings increase because of the notoriety they provide,a mall shooting happens,it makes the news for a day,a school shooting and it becomes a platform for gun control and all of the trolls come out of the woodwork 24/7 saying if guns were removed if will remove the urge to kill somebody.
So far based on the information provided this case the guy had zero connections to the school so why did he choose the school verses some other public place ?
It was not the gun that told him to choose the school,Society and social media has also expanded peoples platform that look to be recognized by society where nobody would have known about them before.
Claims to fame,Bonnie and Clyde did not fade into the woodwork,they wanted to be remembered for all eternity so they went out like they did and people still talk about them today.
What happens in the future with your mindset ? African Americans are killing each other in the hoods,if we could just eliminate them then the violence would decrease,to bad for you that constitution says you cannot do that because they are U.S. citizens protected under that constitution just as the right to bear arms is.
How much of the gun debate is actually about guns,or the ability to dictate to others without opposition?
See how people view your tired old arguments,no different then you view others tired old arguments.
Maybe it is time to concentrate in motivating factors verses weapons of choice,because clearly weapons of choice are exactly that.
Not to mention the fact that we're not at war. We're talking about 71 mass shootings in the US this year – in just 6 weeks.These aren't shootings of enemy combatants, but of our own friends, neighbors, children, family, etc. Richard seems not to have noticed the difference as usual.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...3/11262414002/
Well said. In addition to the mass shootings there are the many more gun deaths that occur because the ever present gun is used in a moment of anger by a spouse, stranger in a bar, child in a bedroom, etc. This doesn't include the innocent people killed during crimes like robberies and drive by shootings.
Toronto is seeing more gun crime and most of the weapons, [[85% according to the attached article) come across the border illegally. This is of course why strict laws in U.S. cities and states are a waste of time unless they are nationwide.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/in-fig...blem-1.6004198
Michigan State Police had found the suspects loaded bombs, guns and other ammo in his back pack and a note stating " There were be 20 people who will take the next target."
We are going to keep a lookout.
Wait, the modern first world can't look at us on this issue as not having a clue because there have been wars in the past? That is the argument here? Did I miss something where our past didn't include slavery, wars started and genocide?
In this debate I hold that the POS moniker is mostly for you.
That's what spawns evil though? Coming from the guy who calls everyone to the left a communist who is looking to imprison people?
If you ever became self aware you might die from an aneurysm.
When millions pay with their lives, we shouldn't forget what caused it, and then try to repeat it as soon as possible. That's just plain stupid.
The Socialist left is responsible for most of the suffering and death in history. Slavery? lynchings? Yeah, that's your team, the Democrats.
100 million + deaths under Stalin, Mao, Poi Pot? Yep, the Left again, in the guise of Socialism and Communism.
Hunger, disease, civil unrest, poverty, refugee crisis under Chavez/Maduro in Venezuela? Yep, your team again.
Similar thing in Greece? Again, your team.
Homeless / drug crisis in California? Your team.
Yet you want the rest of us to forget all the lessons learned in blood and let you guys do it again?
Sick.
Shouldn't it be the same proportionally? Or is life in a more diverse, more urban society more likely to produce mentally ill people?
What if your attacker has an assault weapon? Would you still only want a handgun? Honest question, I personally don't own any guns.
Quick question, was this shooting another false flag attack against the republicans? I just want to know how thick the tin foil hat is today before engaging.
Be careful Rocket, Richard thinks that diminishing ones opinion because it is different than yours spawns evil. This post might qualify as pretty evil.
It’s so pathetic when RWNJ’s such as yourself blame “slavery and lynching” on Democrats. Last I checked, when the country was founded and we decided that slavery in the [[conservative) South was acceptable, there were no political parties here. And of course it’s sooooo easy to ignore what has happened when political realignment has occurred from time to time. Such as when Strom Thurmond and the other racist Dixiecrats decided that the GOP was a better home for them. We know which major party and its adherents continues to glorify the Confederacy today.
Try to blame? It's a fact. The Repub party was formed to end slavery, and they did. Dems are still angry about that.
Realignment is a myth perpetrated by the Dems, so they can blame their opponents for the stuff they themselves did. [which they still do continually]. Just 1 senator and 3 congressmen switched parties. That's just under 1% of Congress.
And yes, the same party that enslaved blacks back then is doing whatever it takes to keep them poor now. True evil.
Many want Confederate statues to stand to serve as a reminder to Dems of their own past. Dems of course are forever white washing their own past, and want to remove them.
Lol it does not matter what anybody thinks while you keep making it personal,your gripe is with the constitution,I did not write it.
Its amazing how many have zero issues with using these school shootings as a platform for gun control,just like using a challenge teenager as a prop for climate change.
Nobody gave a crap about those children when 15 per day were dying from cell phone distracted driving.
Those children were an acceptable loss so everybody else could retain the right to use there cell phone while driving.
Nobody advocated for cell phone blocking devices to be installed to save children’s lives.
Nobody demanded to not let felons have cell phones in case they may use them while committing a crime in the future.
It is evil because it is not actually based on saving innocent lives all it is about is useing children as props in order to spread a narratives ,just as evil as the shooters themselves.
So it is okay for innocent people to die,just as long as you get to decide how they will.
It would have been easy to save those lives because cell phones are not protected under the constitution,so when you had the chance to save lives,you said screw em I ain’t giving up my cell phone.
Apparently the shooter left some kind of note, stating that he felt mistreated by people and businesses?
And so he goes into a school and shoots people there, like 1/2 of which were Chinese foreign students?
Does he think he'll have it better in Hell?
There has been a distracted driving law regarding cell phones in Michigan since 2010 you dolt. You’ll talk endlessly about anything but actual gun violence.
And that’s why you can copy and paste every single one of these threads,because the little teenagers cannot have an adult discussion.
Like I said,I did not write the constitution,as much as you little commies want to rip it up so you can control everybody,as long as you live in this country it governs you,so bend the knee to it little one because in case if you are a little slow,you ain’t changing it.
The sooner you realize that and start approaching things in a civilized manner instead of repeating your comrads talking points ad nausea,everything stays the same,as you grow up into adulthood and outgrow your internet balls you will learn.
Go into the hoods and collect the guns,but you are scared to do that,just as you would be scared to call anybody in real life that you meet on the street a dolt,that’s why things will stay the same all the tough little internet warriors could not figure their way out of a wet paper bag let alone address things like causes of violence.
You issues are not with me,take it up with the constitution,but then that would require actually doing something besides talking game in the internet.
You guys have been trying to destroy this country sense day one,pesky little bugger that constitution is it not? That’s some really slow learners 200 years later and still pissing into the wind.
You do not want to talk about gun violence,you want to dictate to others on how that conversation goes,I guess you cannot help it because you have a lifetime of brainwashing and people telling you that you are special when you are not,but maybe when you grow up a little bit,you will start to understand these things,hell you may even discover, by mistake most likely,that you can even think for yourself.
There are over 450 million guns in this country that they know about,you do not even have the slightest clue about gun violence let alone be in a position to be discussing it.
To bad you missed the 60s where there was actual out of control violence,inner city schools were operating under the constant strain of violence that makes today’s events look petty in comparison,it’s just the colors that have changed,nobody cared before.
Now you have discovered there is violence in the world,shocking I tell ya ?
We used to go to school with guns in our cars and trucks,,nobody shot schools up,but it is the guns. Because that is what they tell you,and being weak forces you to just follow what they say.
Maybe if you little wannabe commies were not using violence so much while you push your narratives,there would not be so much violence.
Some of the most brilliant minds in the world cannot figure it out,but here is lil ol you with all of the answers dictating to others the solution and if they do not lockstep into place,you call them a dolt.
ya,sure we will get right on that.
HUD really screwed it up for you guys,kinda tough without the projects to keep people trapped and surrounded by the daily violence where many innocent women and children were dying on a daily basis,not that anybody cared,but now the new cause is the bad scary guns even to the point where people are running around calling them things that they are not,just to enhance the scary factor,interesting enough they were not scary until they found their way out of the projects and into the burbs.
Black Panthers used to patrol the neighborhoods with long guns in full display,those days they did not need a reason to beat up a black man,but yet they allowed them to openly carry long guns in the streets because they had that constitutional right to do so.
They had a tough time with every other right that they were guaranteed as an American citizen under the constitution,so you can see how protected that right has been,that should be your first clue.
And now they are wiser and getting the hell out of the blue dodge and all of the oppression that brings so they can enjoy the rest of those rights that they have had or were supposed to have all along.
Not following the constitution as written has kept generations oppressed and now you want to change it and go back to picking and choosing who and what it applies to ?
There is no discussion about guns,the discussion is about the right to bear arms,the guns just happens to be the choice of arms and technology has advanced them from muskets to what they are today,but the right to bear them in any form has not changed.
Thats why it is easy to stand up on a soap box and yell guns guns guns,because you know going into it if is a lost cause and you are not going to change anything or risk being called a failure.
Its just pretending to do something without actually having the ability to do anything,so you do not have to address the real issues.
Oh it will change. ‘What arms you have the right to bear’ has President that has been changed before more than once, and will change again. Just a matter of when a really massive lose of life event and it will change again. Just a matter of time the way things are headed.
Your big problem is these are the kinds of weapons the founding fathers were thinking. Not AR15s or Glocks. You couldn’t be more wrong as usual on the change part Dick. It will come.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DP3ssCfLY
Quite a bit less deadly to elementary students in a classroom.
Today you can buy a slave on the open market in Libya,a real one,slavery has been abolished for over 100 years but it still exists,you can change all you want but you will not change anything.
Genocide is illegal but it is happening everyday.
Now you are getting into intent,the basis of every legal argument when laws are written.
When the founding fathers wrote -The right to bear arms - was the intent to only bear arms of the day or was the intent when using that choice of words was that it did not matter what type of “arms” because the word “arms” covers any weapon.
The founding fathers were well aware of advancements in firearms,they had already seen it,so they did not specify “the right to bear muskets” they used the word “arms “ because what they were writing was going to be carried on for generations to come,advancements in weaponry would follow,so they used the catch all phrase of “arms”
In 1755 Dr. Johnson’s Dictionary of the English Language was first published. It defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.”
Again, the meaning does not exude military weapons.
Since the word “arms” means the same thing today as it did centuries ago it’s only logical the authors of the Second Amendment meant the same thing. And unlike the English Bill of Rights, there are no limitations placed on the right to keep and bear arms in the U.S. Constitution.
https://tenthamendmentcenter.com/201...2nd-amendment/
You wrote “ my big problem is these are the kinds of weapons the founding father were thinking,not AR15 or Glocks “
It does not matter by definition of the word “arms” ,which can actually be traced back before even the founding fathers implemented it.
arm
3 of 5noun [[2)
often attributive
1a: a means [[such as a weapon) of offense or defenseespecially : FIREARM
b: a combat branch [[as of an army)
c: an organized branch of national defense [[such as the navy)
If you hear references on the news to "the arms race" or "arms exports," you know the subject is guns, bombs, bullets, and other weapons and ammunition. Any country with an army has some quantity of arms that can be used for self defense or military actions. In 1300, it was armes, "weapons of a warrior," from the Latin arma, "weapons," and also "tools of war."
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/arms
bear arms
- to carry weapons
- to serve in the armed forces
- to have a coat of arms
- https://www.dictionary.com/browse/arms
Even though you guys call weapons assault rifles which by definition an assault rifle has the ability to go from fully automatic to semiautomatic and nobody has actually used a fully automatic capable assault rifle in any school shooting by definition an actual assault rifle would qualify under the definition of arms as a tool of war all the way back to the 1300s.
Just because something looks like it is a weapon of war,it does not classify it as one.
.45 caliber pistols were used as sidearms in wartime.
Bow and arrow was used in war times
Swords
knifes
spears
moltive cocktail was a weapon of war
In a world that was at war for centuries,anything that can be used to kill or maim was a weapon of war.
Not for nothing but if somebody is that motivated to shoot up a classroom,without a firearm,they can destroy an entire class room and everybody in it by using common household products.
So you fight this battle to remove firearms or restrict their accessibility but that will never remove the intent from a highly motivated individual looking to do harm.
They will find another way and there are a lot more ways where a lot more deaths can occur faster then with a firearm.
When it gets to that point,the system has already failed and the actual firearm is the end result,removing the firearm is not going to change the end result.
It just makes people think they are doing something when they are not.
I do not think anybody can argue that these ones doing the shootings are not screwed up in the head,but that requires dealing with mental health care,that cost money,it does not cost anything to oppose guns.
There has been changed though,nobody has been able to buy a fully automatic weapon sense 1986,those things you guys call weapons of war,they can trade them through private party though.
A fully automatic AR15 shoots 700-900 rounds per minute and it takes 5 seconds to empty a 30 round magazine.
That would be $60 -$90 every 5 seconds, it’s not even practical to use an “assault “ weapon in a school shooting and you would definitely be reading reports of thousands of shell casings found after the shooting.
So can we start by at least being honest in a discussion when it actually comes to choice of weapon?
Do not be fooled by the movies where you see them shooting fully automatic for 10 minutes without reloading,I would be less nervous about being confronted with a fully automatic weapon verses a semi automatic because they cannot control accuracy and they have to stop and reload every five seconds,which gives windows of opportunity.
Richard try spending some of your Google time NOT trying to re-teach what many of the forumer's learned in grade school, but try becoming more acquainted with logical fallacies, which many forumer's learned at University. It would cut down on your mega-posts, and free up a lot of time for everyone. :)
And just think of the strain on your heart these tits-for-tats is having. :eek:
Looks like soft-justice played a part here
Anthony McRae had guns charge, mental health problems...
https://www.bridgemi.com/talent-educ...ealth-problems
From article [bold and red added by me]:
The gunman who killed three students and injured five others at Michigan State University on Monday had a history of mental health challenges, run-ins with police and guns charges, according to court records and family and neighbor accounts.
Police say Anthony Dwayne McRae, 43, of Lansing shot and killed himself as he was confronted by officers early Tuesday, about 5 miles from the campus he terrorized.
His death came more than three years after he was arrested on gun charges that, had they been penalized to the maximum degree, could have prevented him from legally owning guns.
McRae was charged with a felony punishable by up to five years in prison in district court but later pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of misdemeanor punishable by up to two years in circuit court.
McRae previously pleaded guilty to gun-related charge
From freep article [bold and red added by me]:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...e/69902563007/
He was charged with a violation of concealed carry law and possessing a loaded weapon in a vehicle. He pleaded guilty to the weapon-in-a-vehicle charge, while prosecutors dropped the second count, according to court records.
In a statement, Dewane noted he was originally charged with a felony and pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor.
"Mr. McRae would have been barred from legally purchasing, owning, or possessing a firearm if he would have been convicted of the [concealed weapons] charge," Dewane told the Free Press.
Well stated. Further, I love how bureaucrats and authoritarians [we know what's best for you] love to draw-up, and dictate laws upon individuals and communities [for the sake/ safety of the us oppressed groups mind you]. Knowing they will NOT be impacted on ANY level. They will yet for a while longer enjoy their their protection and safety.
None exists right now in my opinion -- not one not constricted to politics and special interests. Those who are true thinkers are not allowed.
Do you have a suggestion of such a person? Not bound?
It would help if we applied some of the laws we currently have on the books.
As was your option. I'm not here often anymore to micro-battle https://bonesmart.org/forum/jofox_images/kf3388.gif. Nope.
[QUOTE=ABetterDetroit;631811You couldn’t be more wrong as usual on the change part Dick. It will come.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, Dick is in the brainwashed cohort that failed our children. The younger generation who suffered most from Dick's failure will bend the arc of history toward sanity.
P.S. Agreed, the Founders' original intent was that people could have muskets, swords, clubs, etc. IIRC under English Common Law knives were prohibited because they could be concealed.
Out of 70 posts, maybe a dozen are on topic.
I don't know if the '15' number is correct but I'd like to add to Richard's point. I once collected the numbers of students and faculty murdered in public and private K-12 schools and found that going back to include include Columbine and Sandy Hook, American students were less likely to be shot inside of their schools than outside.
There is a media fascination with mass shootings although they are a small percentage of total shootings. We can count on Democratic roiling if there is a mass shooting in a mostly white school but they are much quieter about what goes on every weekend in major Democratic run US cities. This Chicago website has tidy and thorough coverage of murders in Chicago which is probably similar to Detroit, Baltimore's etc.. To begin with, most murders are gun related. In the first 6 days of this week, 6 were shot and killed, 27 were wounded and 33 were shot in Chicago. Every one of these 60 murders was gun related. For the year so far, 93% of the murder victims in Chicago have been killed with firearms. As of 2/2, 36 were black, 18 were Hispanic and 1 was white.
To address the murder rate, we have to first understand the numbers. Who is shooting who, where, and why? There is the temptation to ascribe high murder rates to black Americans but I notice that MA,its largest city being Boston, have black populations of 9.3% and 24% respectably yet MA has the fifth lowest murder statistics of the fifty states; almost as low as Canada's. Boston and MA are notoriously Democratic. Therin lies some hope. If other major cities and perhaps states could model MA, perhaps some of these gun numbers would go down.
Apparently not when they are constantly repeating the narrative every rifle is an assault weapon.
Now you believe everything taught in The education system is fact ?
Lots of highly educated people do not know much of anything outside of their field of study,if somebody has a liberal arts degree they are also taught about weapons and civics ?
The same educated ones that votes in presidential elections that did not have a clue on how presidents are elected,and now you think they can navigate the complexities of overruling the constitution?
What I post is like anything else you can choose to take it how you like,or not,it’s a free country for most of us not looking to dictate how others may think or speak.
So quit yer whining,if you are looking to be coddled,that’s not me.
Detroit scholarship provider shifts efforts to comforting students after MSU shooting
https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...y/69912611007/
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/care...ng/ar-AA17BIMP
I lived in Cambridge, MA. IIRC the Boston metropolitan area has the highest concentration of college students, college graduates, colleges, and universities of any city in the world. It seems like every other person is an intellectual or scientist. Maybe we ought to have more educated people?
I agree with you 100% Zacha. Tough prosecution of Gun related crimes has to be part of a solution. No plea bargains and mandatory minimums for all Firearm infractions is a tool available that is not being adequately used and is available to press into service immediately. A well advertised new zero tolerance policy would save lives in this city and state. A thread devoted to this topic would be interesting.
Used to be minimum mandatory 10 years using a gun in the commission of a felony,20 years if the weapon was fired.
5 years for felon in possession. For even 1 round,10 rounds 10 charges.
Now I will interject a little politics into it,the last couple of years with the push to not arrest everybody and defund the police,possession of a firearm is included in that.
I know a guy,caught for the third time,felon in possession of a firearm,felon pawning a stolen firearm,16 separate charges of felon in possession of ammunition.
He spent one night in jail,went to court and got 1 year probation.
3 years ago that would have been 15 years in prison at the least,prosecutors are not wanting to put people in prison,that’s in the city,1 county over and he would have been in prison.
That is the difference between D and R ,republicans are notorious for being tough on crime.They were the ones that came up with the minimum mandatory for gun crimes.
Cause and effect
It would stand to reason that in the cities that are reducing punishment levels,there is going to be a lot more negative effect.
^ And it may be a negative effect those cities and counties can never recover from.
When the voters vote for an AG or Mayor that is soft on crime, crime spikes, and a good chunk of the wealthier families and business leave, taking their tax dollars with them.
Another effect of crime spiking is that businesses either can't get insurance, or can't afford it. So even more business leave, and new ones are almost impossible to start, certainly if they have any brick & mortar.
So now your county can't afford enough police. Worse yet, you can't afford enough prison space. So you have to let even more criminals go free.
How do you recover from that? By promising everyone that the liberal voters will never again vote for a pro-crime AG? That's not gonna work.
And how would any recovery happen if businesses can't get insurance? And homeowner's ins is sky high? And Car insurance is sky high?
The data that goes into insurance actuarial tables stays there for decades. Ins companies don't go in those tables and wash out their loss history just because a county exec asks nice.
You two fools are just plain gullible. Look at the track record. Republicans pro police in lip service only. In this state Dick, when they ran the whole show from Governor on down all they did was cut, cut and cut more. State police threatening strikes for half the Engler administrations. Correction cuts and more strikes. Hiring freezes indefinitely. Closed prisons left and right and all over. Cut prosecutors and on and on… ‘Small Government!!!’ Remember??? Duh. It is their mantra for Gods sake.
Nationally the last President who gave two shits about law enforcement was Clinton. Your Boy Trump cut the the FBI, DEA, ATF funding for more small Government and well, of course because they are professional and go after politicians that break the law and he couldn’t have that happening around him. Had to discredit them and spring every dirty politician from the clink. To close to where he ate. They are so full of shit and they have you idiots believing every thing they say. Hell now, they are spoon feeding you Russian propaganda and you can’t gobble it down fast enough. Right, ‘the French, Italians and Germans where going to invade Russia and poor Russia was threatened!’ You guys are morons, those countries couldn’t invade or defend Key Largo if it was right smack between them.
Just look at this Dominion crap. The propagandist were laughing their ass off at what they could get you dumbasses to believe.
Now the Republicans are busy purging their own party of morals and democracy yet you believe they will help keep anyone safer? Fucking Crazy. Wealthy behind high walls is about it.
In no way is this a endorsement of the Dems on this issue because they have their own set of very big problems. But the Republicans? They are reduced to a party of propaganda bullshit saying whatever they can get the really dumb to believe. Unfunded tax cuts that drive the debt to historic highs, that is about all they can accomplish. Solve big problems like crime? What a joke, they never did before. Only a idiot would believe they would in the future. Just like immigration, infrastructure and health care. They run on on them hard then get in with the WH, Senate and House are all theirs then the crickets chirp for years. Rinse, Repeat. Then they start bullshitting all over again on the same issues they already did nothing about.
Says the guy making Detroit better from his armchair, in his McMansion, in Auburn Hills. I agree though, the dems are doing something regarding crime. They're bringing them in the front door and letting them out the back. Why waste time and money incarcerating criminals? Empty jail cells = successful governing. Nothing to see here, folks. Talk about gullible.
Do you know what a smuggling safe zone is?
It’s where airports are established to create a safe zone for flying large quantities of drugs and it is made sure law enforcement stays clear.
That can only be accomplished by payoffs at the highest levels.
Interesting enough one of the largest safe zones in the south where tons of cocaine was flown in every week unimpeded,was in Arkansas,you get one guess who was governor at the time.
You made a post about how the penalties need to be increased when it comes to gun crimes when the facts are in the democratic cities that have lowered the bar on crime have actually decreased the strict penalties that were already in place.
They decreased the penalties across the board,which also includes gun crimes.
It’s not a matter of D verses R it’s a fact.
Violence in those cities has increased up to 400% so what is the point of saying we need gun control because the violence is out of control and gun crimes are increasing?
Maybe that was the intent from the start?
In Florida the second largest revenue producer after tourism was the judicial system,not anymore it’s dropped 50% because the major cities that are D controlled stopped enforcing the laws,stands to reason the levels of crime will increase when it becomes unabated.
Some act like the only ones that own guns is right wingers when it is not the case,just as many Ds own guns and as a majority responsible gun owners support responsible gun ownership and have zero issues with holding those accountable when they are not,it’s not just right wingers supporting the right to bear arms,it is your fellow citizens no matter what their politics are or race is.
Its like anything else though is it not ? Irresponsible drivers,and anything else you can think of,there is always going to be a percentage of the population that does not fly right,you are not going to change that no matter what you do..
The funerals for two of those beautiful young adults gunned downed in their school start in a little over an hour in Grosse Pointe and Clawson; maybe you can take your political stupidity somewhere else for the rest of the day?
Washington State bill says it’s ‘racial equity’ to go easy on drive-by murderes. The Jason Rantz Show, KTTH: Dec 28, 2021
WA HB 1692 lessens the criminal penalties for drive-by shootings. Tarra Simmons [[D-Bremerton) pre-filed the bill ahead of the Jan. 10, 2022 session. She claims this change promotes “racial equity in the criminal legal system.”
Given that gangs commit most drive-by shootings and are majority Hispanic and Black, one could see the disproportionality argument coming. She argues it’s an example of “systemic racism” that Hispanic or Black are more likely to spend time in prison.
Not everyone is up to being an intellectual or scientist but it is probably better to be a little over educated than under educated. In 'The Reckoning' by David Halberstam, he points out that Japan purposely produced more engineers than Japan needed. The result was that the surplus of engineers wound up taking jobs in such things as auto production and contributed by submitting all sorts of efficiency and design improvement ideas making Japanese cars better and more affordable. This is probably a long range improvement and expensive way of fighting crime and shootings.
One way to spread the benefits of education to the now disenfranchised might be to establish knowledge and experience tests and criteria as an alternative to degrees so people who better themselves without any or as much classroom time could get recognition and credit. Bar exams are an example. To be an attorney, one has to pass a bar exam whether one picks up their knowledge in classrooms or prisons. During the Vietnam era, I had an acquaintance who had to drop out of high school and work in an architectural office as a draftsman in Detroit to help support his mother. When he fled conscription and crossed the Canadian border, he passed an architectural exam and became a full architect with a large increase of status and pay. Maybe such options would keep some from being would be felons or even shooters.
The latest I've read about the MSU shooter's motives is that he may have felt slighted. I doubt that your thought about everyone being very educated or my previously submitted idea about a population diaspora to more small town or rural environments would have done much to accommodate an already overreacting narcissistic gun owner.
^ okay hypocrite
A doctor had terminal cancer when he burst into an Austin, Texas, hospital late Tuesday, killing another physician and himself, police said at a briefing Wednesday.
Police identified the suspect as Dr. Bharat Narumanchi, 43, who had a practice in California and once interned at St. Vincent’s Medical Center in Manhattan, and the victim as Dr. Katherine Lindley Dodson, also 43.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/27/cops-i...urder-suicide/
Your theory of it’s the uneducated committing gun violence or living in a liberal scared of guns city and using that as a litmus test is weak at best.
Thats like saying 9 out of 10 Tesla drivers support driving EVs.
Stick to stalking with your tdlr that actually takes more energy to write then following you own dictation to others about just skipping my posts,so easy a caveman can do it.
When was the last time the U.S. was invaded? Pretty much every other country in the world has been,it’s all the commies in this country that want to disarm the population in order to make it easy for their comrades to join us,nothing like a bunch of pick up driving drunk rednecks armed to the teeth as a deterrent,beats flipping nukes about.
If Russia decided to annex Canada tomorrow,how long would they last because most here would say,not my problem.
Then next it would be millions of Canadians sneaking across the border and so called sanctuary cites refusing to provide them with sanctuary.
Then they would be competing with the Mexicans for cheap labor jobs,the Mexicans get pissed off and start revolting and want Texas back.
So not only is the right to bear arms a constitutional aspect,it is also a deterrent because as you can see things could get really bad without them.
What about the guy in Canada that dressed up as a policeman or mounty or whatever they are called and went on his shooting spree ?
Every single one of those victims and anybody that was near them were also powerless to stop him.
Ever sense the soft on crime charade kicked in,gun sales have been breaking records and skyrocketed,you guys have done more to put more guns on the streets and in the hands of people that do not take the time to learn how to properly use and store them,where they end up getting stolen and for the life of you,you cannot figure out why there are so many guns on the streets.
While you are looking for a solution for a problem that you played a large role in accelerating,maybe think next time with a little common sense instead of creating problems just so you can find solutions for them and act like you are doing good.
There it is. The argument all the ammosexuals latch onto. Yes Richard, you are the lone thing preventing an invasion of the United States. Nevermind being isolated and surrounded by allies, its the Gravy Seals.
And you are absolutely right, I am trying to get my comrades here under the guise of wanting fewer gun deaths and better healthcare for people. You nailed it. You aren't paranoid at all. You broke the code and now we will never be able to create our socialist utopia. Thwarted by a man with no hobbies who sits around all day commenting on a message board of a place he's never been to. I thought we had you beat this time. Back to the drawing board I guess to push our America-hating agenda.
^ but yet here you are doing the same thing that you are accusing me of.
And you think that is normal?
Nobody is isolated anymore,the day before Ukraine was invaded,people were living their lives and the next morning bombs were dropping on them,the victims in the shootings were also living their lives up until that moment.
Nice little plug with the,I have nothing that makes sense so I will throw in the fall back of - you never been to Detroit.
You are here discussing guns,have you ever fired one or owned one,you did not even know what an actual assault weapon was.
And are guns in Detroit different then everywhere else? Do they have a little flag that pops out of the end of the barrel that reads,bang?
You way of doing things does not seem to be working out so well,but as usual it is everybody else that has a screwed up way of thinking.
You constantly show support and berate others who do not for a party that has decriminalized half of the country,which increases violence which also increases the amount of gun sales.
You find that a good way of doing things? In the real world it would be what is considered- Counter productive.
They knew exactly what they were doing when they started the decriminalizing.
No different when they slammed freeways through cities,they weighed the amount of people it was going to help verses the amount of people that would be negatively impacted and decided it was worth it.
Your argument is not with me personally,it actually starts with taking a good hard look in the mirror and pay closer attention to cause and effect when you start supporting something,there is always a positive and negative in everything,you turned a blind eye to the negative in all of this and as usual somebody pays the price.
You called for tougher penalties for gun crimes,but yet you also supported a team that you knew full well in advance,that made it clear from the start what they were going to do.
Now all of the sudden the ramifications kick in and everybody else is to blame even inate objects And to make it worse,everybody that you do not agree with because they choose not to blindly follow are the scum of the earth.
I do not care who you support,even if you support the commies and socialists,in this country you have the right to support anybody you choose.
Funny thing that is “the right” it’s another one of those constitutional amendments,I wish we could change it and throw all the little wannabe commies and socialists into the ocean with a cinder block around their waste.
But as long as they are in this country and protected under the constitution they have a right to be slithering about and there is nothing I can do about it.
So there are things in that constitution that I do not agree with and would like to change,but I also know full well that once you start messing with it,it will never end and there are plenty of examples around the world of what happens next .
You are stuck with the right to bear arms and I am stuck with commies and socialists and ain’t life grand.
Thats what happened to your comrades in Russia,one moment they were on their way to work,getting gas,or in the grocery store and the next they were grabbed by the FSB and put in a bus headed to the front lines in Ukraine,estimated 180,000 returned in body bags already.
That’s the way it works,you can never base it on something will never happen,because when it does it is to late,so you base things on what could happen and prepare yourself the best you can to prevent things from happening or have the ability to deal with it if it happens.
Those innocent victims did not wake up that day knowing what was going to happen,nobody ever does.
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Richard/ Funny thing that is “the right” it’s another one of those constitutional amendments,I wish we could change it and throw all the little wannabe commies and socialists into the ocean with a cinder block around their waste.
I almost thought you were promoting violence on our comrades there for a second…
I’m relieved you were only talking about sinking their garbage. Oof!
Well that applies too,you guys signed an agreement to save the planet when it comes to single use plastics,and stop dumping it in Asia,so the back door to that was we did not sign the agreement.
So Canada ships over 50 tons to the United States,we mix it with our waste plastic and then ship it to Asia,and then it helps you guys feel good about saving the planet,while not actually having to do it.
Your single use plastic still shows up on the beaches across the world as it floats about.
They forgot to tell you about that one hugh?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/can...asel-1.5827340
Notice the pattern of doing things to make it look good,with actually doing anything to solve the problem?
Yay,no more bump stocks,it’s a win,that will surly stop the gun nuts from killing innocent people in mass shootings.
How has that one worked out?
I would never promote violence against Canadians,commies and socialists are not Canadian or American,they are just like the trash floating aimlessly about in the sea,nobody really wants to claim them,but they do make good cannon fodder.
You guys went from being free to having every single right removed from you in with the stroke of a pen and in a matter of seconds,if a president tried that in this country,outside of an invasion,the constitution calls for his,her/them immediate execution for treason,it’s the little things like that,you know one’s ability to strip every American of their right on a whim,that why we fight to defend that constitution like we do,freedom has never been free.
"We dance round in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows."— Robert Frost
Maybe we should consider why there are so many more acts of desperation than there were six decades ago.
I suspect it has something to do with the idea that intraspecies predation in general has been normalized, accepted, expected and is no longer regarded as the taboo it once was.
I think that is a large part of it.
People have just gone off the chain,in the 50s people lived under the stress of being nuked at any given second,60s and 70s were definitely turbulent times with bombings and unrest,80s brought the crack and heroin wars,2000s brought somewhat of a break until mid 2008 and upwards where all hell broke loose again.
You used to be able to escape to the country or rural but not anymore with the meth and opioid’s.
The biggest problem when they discuss mass shootings is they include everything,they are not really separating motives.
Remember the TV programing when we were kids and what we were subject to verses now where children are watching and mimicking the violence.
They say media does not influence people,but it does,look at the street racing franchise where they block of intersections and take over streets and drifting,next thing you know it’s spread into every city in the country.
But we also stopped allowing children to be children and place heavy burdens on them expecting them to make decisions that used to be reserved for at adults at younger and younger ages.
How does one expect a 6 yo to process things most adults do not understand.
You see what’s going on with AÍ and implementing it in schools? That cannot end well.
I do not know what the answer is but I think we should spend less time and energy avoiding looking at all reasons and possibilities,it is easy when it comes to gun violence to blame it in the gun but removing the gun is not going to solve or address the issues that led up to its use.
The parkland shooter was sentenced to 17 consecutive life terms and 14 20 year terms,so after he dies 17 times he will be eligible for parole 280 years later.
Agreed, we should consider it among other things. Mass murders are mostly an American phenomenon. So one question is why is there so much desperation in America?
Here's the most definitive worldwide study of mass murders from 1900-2019: S0033291721000076jra 1..9 [[columbiapsychiatry.org)
It makes a distinction between mass murders using knives, vehicles, poisons, bombs, etc., and mass shootings using firearms, based on psychological differences between perpetrators of the former and latter acts.