Nazi flag flown in Hamtramck sparks outrage [[detroitnews.com)
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Nazi flag flown in Hamtramck sparks outrage [[detroitnews.com)
P.S. Pretend there's a Blues Brothers meme here :[[
'cuz I'm out of my picture allowance. :[[
3369 Doremus Street, Hamtramck has a smaller U.S. flag in streetview.
Smart people don't wear targets.
stay classy guyQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimaz
The owner states he didn't put it up and took it down when he saw it. This is the problem with outrage leading to retaliation, internet or otherwise. Maybe he put it up and had 2nd thoughts when he realized the repercussions or maybe someone else put it there because they didn't like the guy and thought it might invite a rock through his window. I suspect neighbors have an opinion if this is the sort of guy who would do such a thing but they can't be certain if they didn't see him hang it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimaz
He might have been wise to stick in a bucket on his lawn and burn it.
It would be nice to remove all the things from society that we find offensive.
Henry Ford and other American companies provided Germany with the funding and chemicals in order to wage war in the first place,it is highly unlikely that the Battle of Britain would have never been possible at that point in time had not U.S. companies provided the chemicals needed for the airplane fuel.
So do we now get to ban Fords?
JP Morgan/Chase diverted the funds from our economy while throwing it into a depression in order to fund Germanys war,they had neither the funding or technology to do anything,Hitler was a impotent little thug until U.S. interests gave him the power to unleash evil on the world.
Dont see anybody calling to demolish Chase banks.
The requirement for flying the American flag is if another flag of origin is flown the American flag must be flown above it.
Where I am at it is not uncommon to see flags of all nationalities being flown in there own,including some from countries that I do not approve of,but that does not trump their right to fly them.
It does not matter how offensive we find something personally,in this country we do not get to pick and choose who and what we favor unless we are willing to give up the same rights and protections.
When you start going down that rabbit hole it is easy to get lost in it as a never ending quest.
If we are banning things we find not in good taste,can we start with the current fad of the pants that women wear that look like they are painted on and show every crack n crevice ?
Germany still retains the flac towers that shot down American bombers and cost thousands of service men their lives,do they not represent evil.
We drive Japanese cars,they also did some pretty evil things.
Hitler and other evil dictators came to power because they wanted the sole ability to pick and choose who deserves what rights as individuals they received,if the guy wants to fly a Nazi flag with that intent,let him,because if we force him to remove it,we become no different then what that flag represents in that context.
When I see those flags,it reminds me of the evil man produces on society and pushes me to fight against it so history does not repeat itself,people need to see that and be reminded so they do not forget,you cannot erase that from the minds of future generations,they need to see it.
Out of site,out of mind does not apply to something like that.
If the owner/renter was a victim of vandalism with a hate symbol being put on the property a call to the police immediately would be in order.
Being Jewish this really bothers me
BUT
Being American I accept the right to free speech etc.
I agree with all you said 100% Richard!
Just because we do not agree with or like what someone else says/believes we have to let them. The right to free speech is a big part of what makes America the country it is.
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Originally Posted by Richard
Seems just a bit odd that someone would arbitrarily select a home and place a Nazi flag on it.
My first thought was maybe Ron DeSantis was in town
Not getting the humor in your post. But I get it's in there somewhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast
Agreed. Being Polish and Lithuanian it really bothers me. Having grown up in Hamtramck it really bothers me. Regarding free speech Noam Chomsky, perhaps the most intelligent earthling, agrees with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarvelousMarvins
False flag actions have been happening sense the dawn of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast
But I cannot speak for intent or motive because only the homeowner would know that.
Living in a state that looks for the day when they can control every aspect of every Americans lives I can see how you would have an issue with DeSantis,what about the large amount of persecution happing in California against the Asian community,that’s exactly how it all starts,look the other way as long as it is not you.
I bet if you looked closely at that Nazi flag it will have a made in China tag in it,right next to the one that reads - The state of California has determined that this item contains cancer causing agents.
It was Los Angeles that Hitler picked to start a base here,wonder why ?
It was because a Jew named Leon Lewis who created a spy ring in order to infiltrate the Nazis that prevented them from getting a foothold in this country.
Seeks like a couple of cities in California have a history of attracting the freaks and weirdos that seek to destroy this country from within any means necessary.
9% of our population in this country are Neo Nazis,that equates to 22 million out of 350 million.
That only thing that gives them relevance is the people and politicians that like to use the label of Nazi against those who they do not agree with.
All the people that supported a female presidential candidate had zero issues with her mentor being not only a Nazi supporter and organizer but to make it even worse a Grand Duke of the KKK.
Overlook that but then talk about hate symbols.
Stop feeding the hate and evil, by giving it relevance.
Even to this day people in Burma and Africa are suffering genocide because of who they worship and we turn a blind eye,at a point in time when we recognize what is happening and how history is being repeated,do a poll tomorrow of how many Americans are willing to go to war in order to prevent that and watch how quick that fake wanting to destroy evil ends.
Words are easy.
In addition to antisemitic SOBs like Henry Ford, Detroit produced heroes like Ralph Bunche. We should teach our children about the Ralph Bunches of the world, rather than lionize psychopaths simply because they are wealthy and powerful industrialists.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
We should take pride in the fact that in 1846 Michigan ended the death penalty. Prior to 1830 several people, who were later found to be innocent, were hanged in Windsor -- which troubled Detroiters of conscience. As a result, the 1830 hanging of tavern keeper, Stephen Gifford Simmons, generated popular opposition to the death penalty and it was the last execution under Michigan law. The jail and gallows were located on the spot where the downtown public library now stands. Witnesses spontaneously tore down the gallows and threw the wood in the river. These are things of worth.
Tom Selleck is from Detroit. Who gives a f*ck? He shills reverse mortgages and insurance scams on TV to naive senior citizens.
Buy a Ford or don't buy a Ford. Who gives a f*ck? Prolly Tom Selleck will sell you a worthless extended warranty?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Bunche
Or an endorsement for Matt DePerno?Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast
And the forum is ok with someone posting his name and phone number REGARDLESS of your opinion?
A simple reference to the fact that DeSantis cozies up to Neo Nazis.Quote:
Originally Posted by softailrider
https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...e-1388015/amp/
You can coddle Nazis all you want, but I won't.Quote:
Originally Posted by One Shot
If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it too eagerly.
Fun story:
A few years ago Katy Perry tweeted out a picture of a cartoon frog as a meme. The originator of the meme, a forum on a nearly-anything-goes anonymous website called 4chan, didn't take too kindly to a big-time celebrity's publicist using "their" meme pics to score cool points with the internet kids.
So, they ginned up a bunch of posts trying to make it look like the frog was a symbol of a, ah, particularly hated group of youth enthusiasts. They tried retweeting these to various news organizations and the news organizations pretty much ignored them.
Round two was to make it look like the cartoon frog was the new symbol of neo-fascists, and the media jumped *right* on it. "Katy Perry Tweets Symbol of Anti-Semitism" were the headlines if I recall right.
Point being, if you don't particularly like someone, and want to get a picture of their house in the news in a rather negative light, this is a particularly effective way of doing it.
According to Tampa-based media outlet Creative Loafing, flyers handed out by the group were published by the Goyim Defense League — an organization the Anti-Defamation League describes as a “small network of virulently antisemitic provocateurs led by Jon Minadeo II of Petaluma, California” known for spreading “antisemitic myths and conspiracy theories” through social media and highly coordinated public stunts.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast
Creative loafing as a media source was established as a media for the restaurant and arts scene that has converted over to a liberal left political rag and posts opinions of its workers.
You a claiming something as fact,Nazis or not they had the same right to assemble on public property as everybody else did,just as Antifa had the same right to come from California and partake in the ruckus in Atlanta.
How about you keep your wakos in California.
Any politician that does not get up in public and denounce the opposition should he removed from politics?
That’s the sad part in all of this,people did not learn from history and keep repeating it,a good German had to denounce the Jews in public or suffer the consequences with their identity and home address published so the other good citizens would know where to throw a fire bomb through the window.
I agree,we spend more time and energy focusing on evil then positive role models for the youngsters,they grow up with all of these seeds of anger and hate planted in their minds and then carry it into adulthood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Whalley
Thank you for that article. I had not read that before, but I don't believe that particular piece insinuates Ron Desantis supports or welcomes Nazis in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroiterOnTheWestCoast
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Originally Posted by Henry Whalley
Good call on Ralph Bunche. People who should be lionized and revered, usually aren't.
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Originally Posted by softailrider
I've seen this movie before. Trump refused to denounce the Proud Boys and Antifa. What's the difference? DeSantis probably does stands with them. This country is getting worse by the minute.
| Harvard MagazineQuote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid
Reading about Ralph Bunche's life and accomplishments leaves me in awe at how much one man can do in a lifetime. There are many wonderful photographs to be found on the web.
The flip side of that coin was you had a political party call for violence against the opposition while they were in public,and refuse to condone violence in the streets and cities burning in a re-run of the night of broken glass, we have seen that movie before we have also seen how people thought it was justified because it did not involve them and it was against those who they felt and continue to feel are sub human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid
That’s like me saying I think you are a Nazi supporter and just come on the internet and pretend that you hate them in order to drawn attention away from yourself,even if you denounce them it will not change my views on you,it’s totally irrelevant if you are or not or even if the true meaning it applies.
To me most use the word in order to desensitize the public to the true events,in order to make it look like it was no big deal and a perfectly acceptable way of dealing with those you do not like.
the walk of shame is how it seems most would prefer it to be
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AIpjk7TG3Dw
When you attach labels to others in order to provide credibility or garner public support of hated towards those who you deem your enemy, you have become what you are accusing others of being.
This is why the witch burning days were so popular,denounce to the public that you are not a witch or burn at the stake.
Calling others religious zealots while demanding others denounce in public or suffer the consequences.
So do we get to round up all the atheist’s and force them to denounce their religious beliefs until they accept Jesus Christ as their savior?
Yea we have seen that movie before,it was not fiction it was fact,but yet some feel it is their mission in life to keep replaying it over and over.
What about all of the socialists running amuck in this country,the socialist party has a history of supporting brutal dictatorships that sit right next to Hitler and even hired somebody of his worst followers after the war in order to implement the same purges in their country.
It would be nice to be able to round all of them up and send them to the gallows,but as long as they are also citizens in this country,they are also protected by the constitution that rules us,so no matter how much I personally despise them,I am not willing to change that and the very reason this country was formed in the first place.
Which was to escape the tyranny that others are so willing to impose on others.
So like it or not,as much as we despise them and as long as they do not act out on their fantasies,the Nazis,socialists,communists and other groups are allowed a seat at this big table right alongside of everybody else.
Because in order to rid of them,you have to become them.
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Originally Posted by Richard
Story has gone national…wonder who’s more happy about it?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...n/11106240002/
That came to my mind NOT in sympathy to this particular action but understanding how we've witnessed personal information leaked [including where people work, family members data shared etc] inappropriately. Accusations etc. are easy to let loose -- yet hard to walk-back!
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Originally Posted by One Shot
Animal Farm [[1945) by George Orwell
The pigs express the idea that animals have a right to freedom and equality in “a complete system of thought” called Animalism and written as The Seven Commandments. Then as the pigs seize more and more power, they change the Commandments until Animalism is reduced to a single principle which is virtually the opposite original idea: “All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others”
The constitution is pretty clear,all American citizens have the exact same rights and are to be treated equally.
The problem is all you hear is democracy is being destroyed in the United States,it does not matter because we are ruled by as constitutional republic,those in power like vê for people to think we are a democracy so it becomes easy to change the rules.
If people actually followed the constitution and stopped with the democratic manipulation we would have never been had the civil rights trauma,because American citizens are American citizens,the constitution does not allow to single one group out over another.
Take a community where a majority is made up of Middle Eastern immigrants,they came from a country where homosexuals are killed.
So when they are in this country and if they retain that belief would they not find a rainbow flag just as offensive ?
Just as somebody highly religious in this county would.
SCOTUS decides what the constitution says.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
Yes they interpret the meaning of intent of the original framers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Whalley
Our constitutional republic was copied from what was already in place in Venice Italy for 30 years prior,so the intent is pretty clear and tested,it is not like they just sat down at the pub and penned it all out.
Not even close to the truth. Here's the story:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
Republic of Venice | Encyclopedia.com
https://brewminate.com/government-an...n-city-states/Quote:
Originally Posted by Henry Whalley
Venice was already an elective form of government in the 1100s,it was not until the wealth came into play which gave a few power that changed the government to their way of benefit,1947 they went back to the constitutional rule.
Some media forms love to say - look the evil power elites ruled the government when they did at times until uprisings forced change.
The first instance of Republic [[elected by people of the land) was indicated in Rome by historians. The aristocrats must have thought of expanding to provide better governments and for the purpose, they would have nominated different people allowing the citizens to elect their favorite representatives into government.
This could be the first form of democracy – government by the people, for the people. Today, most countries are republic – meaning they can elect representatives into the government. There are instances of monarchy too. Even in case of kings/queens, people are allowed to select representatives who'd govern them.
https://www.powercutmedia.com/2016/0...early.html?m=1
Constitutional government is defined by the existence of a constitution—which may be a legal instrument or merely a set of fixed norms or principles generally accepted as the fundamental law of the polity—that effectively controls the exercise of political power. The essence of constitutionalism is the control of power by its distribution among several state organs or offices in such a way that they are each subjected to reciprocal controls and forced to cooperate in formulating the will of the state.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/pol...nal-government
Like I posted the idea of a constitutional republic was not penned out in a pub,it dates back to the Roman times,what the founding fathers did was take the parts that worked and applied them.
Because sense the Roman times it was a constantly evolving form of government that was able to be tweaked.
The founding fathers saw what happened when those powerful enough to tweak the constitution did it to benefit them and not the people,even though they put in abilities to tweak the constitution they made it extremely difficult to do with many checks and balances in place so one form of government could not take total power from the people.
Just because your link picks up 300 years after the first forms of a constitutional government was first established,it does not make it close to the truth.
Notice how your link forgot the part about all of those rich merchants that changed the politics,ended up dead in the streets.Public execution style.
Just as Mussolini did when he changed it for his total
control.
Under a constitutional republic
Follows a written Constitution that protects the rights of the minority from being infringed upon by the majority.
Under a Democracy
Ruled by a majority that enjoys unlimited power. Minority groups have no protection.
While all citizens supposedly have a say in government and are to be treated as equals, the majority often ends up tyrannically ruling the minority.
https://legaldictionary.net/constitutional-republic/
This is exactly why some people constantly pound into peoples heads that we are a democratic rule and we should void the electoral vote,and change the constitution,because that is exactly what they want.
The majority to rule over the minority.
Thats also what the civil war was about,the heavy populated industrial north wanted to dictate to the low populated agricultural south prices when it came to goods.
The north had more people with slaves then the south ever did,it just became came a good rally cry and cause.
What does it have to do with Nazis in Hamtramck? It’s that pesky constitution that everybody loves to want to tweak in their benefit and is the first thing any inspiring dictator does do they can gain total control,the constitution does not allow for that the downside is,we have to deal with things we may not like but if we wish to change that we also have to be prepared for the floodgates opening up and that wrath can just as easily be turned against us.
Will those Neo-Nazi's ever stop! Their Hitler dream for a uber race is over.
Take down that Swastika! It means nothing to America.
'Ich bin ein Hamtramck.'
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Originally Posted by Danny
Unfortunately no,there is always going to be those who live on the fringes of society,get rid of the Nazis then you have to socialists and commies to deal with,it is just not worth stripping millions of their rights in order to deal a few wakos.
It’s akin to burning down your house because you saw a spider in it.
Just ignore them and do not provide them with relevance,they will not go away so why upset your life dealing with it.
If we are going to base it on personal aspects,I personally believe Germany a country should have never been allowed to exist after 2 world wars that cost millions of lives and the level of atrocities committed.
The largest population movement in history was after WW2 when every person in Europe that had any German blood in them,no matter if they were generational removed from Germany, was forced by locals to walk back to Germany with the clothes on their backs even people that had never been to Germany in their lifetime.
My ancestor’s came to this country after being stripped of everything they owned and fleeing persecution,long before Hitler was hatched,just like many others,I know what I would like to do in dealing with Nazis without thinking twice about it,but that constitution wields more power then they will ever,so thats what I have to abide by like it or not.
It was not just the Jews,it was anybody that did not fit the profile of those who decided the parameters of the profile and it was subject to change accordingly,we cannot become that.
[QUOTE=Richard;631249]What does it have to do with Nazis in Hamtramck?QUOTE]
TLDR
[QUOTE=Henry Whalley;631315]As you can clearly see I do not speak or write in acronyms,there was a time when they were popular in the government but now seem to be the acceptable way of communicating.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard
I guess it makes it easier for me,no point in attempting to master the English language,since most do not seem to use it anyways.
Nazis are Nazis no matter where they reside.
TLDR ?
Teddy Likes Delanor Roosevelt ?
^ Uh-I think TLDR means 'Too Long Didn't Read...'