Compuware founder Peter Karmanos is lobbying President Trump to pardon Detroit's former mayor imprisoned Kwame Kilpatrick...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl...cid=spartandhp
I wonder what dirt KK has on Karmanos to get this kind of reaction??
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Compuware founder Peter Karmanos is lobbying President Trump to pardon Detroit's former mayor imprisoned Kwame Kilpatrick...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nhl...cid=spartandhp
I wonder what dirt KK has on Karmanos to get this kind of reaction??
Yeah, there's gotta some kind of pee tape in there somewhere.
Maybe Trump will set him free during his State of the Disunion speech. Ya know, ratings and all that. It'll be huge, it'll be bayooo-ti-ful, it'll be the most perfect pardon ever.
Was there not a group that passed the hat for a walk away bonus?
One would figure at that time if you wanted to do large scale business in the city it was pay to play,he may have a wheelbarrow full of dirt.
I would not view it as a modern day lynching as he describes it and it may have been a bit more palatable had not so many suffered for his personal gain.
I can imagine if Trump refuses this the call out will be because he is racist as you can see there is already a irrelevant get you licks in starting,
Indeed he was one of the donors, along with Penske, Gilbert and Jim Nicholson. That "loan" of $240K doesn't mean there was anything crooked going on, but it never smelled quite right either.
At $60K apiece for them would be the equivalent one of us tossing $20 in a hat. Kwame was a huge distraction and his taking the loan and moving on was a big win-win for the city and all concerned. At that point I'd have tossed in my twenty if asked. I'm just amazed they got him out for so little.
It was my understanding that Covisint [[owned from ‘04-‘14 by Compuware) and another company were vying for a massive contract to build a medical record data-center, for when the Feds illegally confiscate everyone’s medical records after forcibly converting us into a single payer health-care system.
Anyway, Covisint wanted a leg up in the process, so they hired then disgraced and unemployed Kwamee to sell high-end medical data systems to hospital chains in Texas for $20,000 a month. Perhaps because his mom Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick was still on the Appropriations Committee at the time? [[The group that would have to approve and authorize funding for such a project). Anyway,.. KK apparently never sold a thing.
Then KK got busted again and went to jail. That in turn helped his mother loose her re-election,.. and all those golden parachutes for KK seemed to fizzle out.
I’ve no idea why Karmanos would be going to bat for KK now.
I don't think Karmanos cares about Kilpatrick. This is about helping Trump's re-election chances. Pardoning him would certainly stir the pot in Michigan this November. The president's re-election depends on the mood of black voters in Michigan.
I imagine the number of black voters who would be inclined to vote for Prez Lardazz would be massively offset by the number of white Repubs and Independents who would be pissed off by such a pardon. A white war criminal or Sheriff Joe? Well, that's ok. A black thug like KK? That's not gonna fly with most people, no matter what their color.
But who knows what goes on in that empty fucking attic Trump calls a brain. Maybe if Mommy Kwame buys a block of 500 rooms at some Trump property he'll set her son free. Don't know what's more rancid, the Kilpatrick crime family or the Trump grifters.
The overlap of people that would vote for Trump and would like to see Kwame Kilpatrick receive a commuted sentence or pardon is probably a percentage of a percentage point. Honestly, I can't think of one single person that would hold both of those views.
Kwame might have received a stiffer sentence than others that have commited similar crimes, but that just means the others got off easy. For what he has cost Detroit, Kilpatrick deserves every year of the nearly three decade long sentence he received, and I've lost a bit of respect for Peter Karmanos as he continues to call for that sentence to be reduced.
I really don't understand why Kwame Kilpatrick is even in the news now. He should just be a footnote right now. Trump is only going to protect himself. There is no way that he would give him a Presidential Pardon. His presidential visits have been everywhere but the city of Detroit.
There are better things that could be talked about.
It isn't going to happen.
Definitely. The solution is not to punish Kwame less but to instead punish other corrupt officials to the same standard.
There are few things that boil my blood more than Kwame apologists. Do they forget he was involved in a murder? The man should be in prison until he's dead.
I don't know what Karmanos is getting out of this.
Pete was on the Le Duff podcast recently. Pushing for KK's early release through presidential pardon.
Le Duff was being a REAL asshat on this podcast.
Trumpers have the ability to justify ANYTHING that Trump says or does. They would tout a Kilpatrick pardon and say, "SEE! We're not racist! We have black friends!"
A Trump pardon of Kilpatrick would make no sense. I highly doubt he would do it. However, that means that he probably will? Trump often does the opposite of what is logical.
^ you made a claim that you yourself “highly doubt”.
He already won Michigan in the last election without Kilpatrick's support,so agreed that he would be a meaningless option.
I think there are a lot of black Detroiter’s who are looking for an excuse to vote for Trump. There’s no real support for any of the Democratic candidates and Trump has never been accused of discrimination against blacks in his past business dealings. He’s a cocky SOB that says F-you to his critics and people kinda like that
Are you being facetious or what?
https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/122708...racism-history
Interesting piece from 2009 that explains some of the connections.
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/5067/...ick-leftovers/
The question is,is this a valid thing to get in front of.
According to the link Karmanos was a major player in Kilpatricks rise to power in the city.
Karmanos is a major player and donor within the Republican Party In Michigan.
I think it would take Republicans within the state to say that this is a road that they prefer not to go down.
A republican mover and shaker showing support for a Democrat mayor that screwed his city over does not carry good optics in the bigger picture.
I've read that there were at least 40,000 fewer black voters in Michigan casting ballots in 2016 than 2012. Trump won Michigan by 10,000 votes. The math is simple.
I'm not making a statement on whether KK should or should not have his sentence commuted. But I do think that Karmanos is trying to float ideas to the president that he thinks would create a wedge between traditional Democratic base voters in Michigan and the party.
I guess it's possible, but I just don't see it as a likely motivation for Karmanos as it's something that could easily end up backfiring [[Not that it's even likely that Trump would actually act on the requests) I find it far more likely that Kilpatrick has dirt on Karmanos, or it's just a sense of obligation to Kilpatrick and his family as he did have a long history with Kwame as well as his mother.
Or being faced by Bernie or Hiawatha. Where's a JFK when you really need him? :)
Not so sure about that.
In Jan 2012 President Obama was at 45% approval [[10 months before his re-election bid). He won.
[[Pres Trump by comparison is at 44% according to Gallup, and 50% according to Rassmusen)
Also, a big swath of Democrats are seen as irrational and potentially violent by non-Democrats,.. so most conservatives, Republicans and Libertarians are hesitant to participate in polls.
On top of that,.. most polls are fixed. Look at the ones done by CNN, CBS, CSNBC etc in mid 2016,.. where they were sampling Democrats at a 64% clip,.. and then concluding that Sec. Clinton up by 8 points. [[Well DUH !)
Those same talking heads [[Como, Maddow etc) then had the temerity to act shocked when Mr. Trump won.
I think you'll find Pres Trump is going to win HUGE ! Especially as no one even marginally competent has entered the Democratic primary yet.
Landslide I tell ya. YUGE !
The media is almost entirely leftist,.. and they've been bashing him 24 hours a day since 2015. So intense has been their vitriol, that they've been able to grind down the presidents overall approval to just 44-50%
But when people step into the ballot box,... and no one can see their vote, they usually vote economy,... not overall feelings, and as of 3 days ago the presidents economy approval rating was at 56%.
I think you're going to witness the biggest landslide re-election since Reagan, who won 48 states.
I can't disagree with you. And it's pretty sad. Not only are people stupid enough to think a President has much to do with the economy [[what has Trump done other than bitch when he thinks the Fed might raise rates?) but they would vote based on that and ignore everything else this wacko has said and done.
we'll see what happens. it could make for quite a bit of curious political theater if the pardon occurs. https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/...os/4602015002/
President Trump's 2020 path to victory in Michigan is in Macomb County, not in Detroit.
A president instills confidence in the economy with a known path.
Outside of the usual election year slowdown do you really think that things are happening because of a labor shortage or because of the uncertainty of what 2020 will bring.
Would you be willing to go on the hook for 20 to 30 million in order to build apartments when if a party takes power that has a Everybody has a right to a free house?
What would that do to your investment?
As it stands fed funds are used if you apply 20% market rate units,what if that changes to 30-40 or even 50% ?
At that point all you are doing is borrowing money for the pleasure of building for the government.
The markets did not shoot up on the eve of the election because of the economy that the previous administration built,it shot up because investors had direction and confidence.
One thing folks here should remember about Trumps 2016 victory [[by only 10,000+ votes)... is that 80,000 Michigan voters left the presidential spot on their 2016 ballot blank. So if the Democrats make a good candidate choice in 2020, a win in Michigan is theirs to lose.
Over the last 4 years, I think that in Michigan Trump has alienated more of his 2016 supporters than made new converts. We shall see in November if that becomes a reality. And I think that both Macomb AND Oakland counties will be the deciding votes.
It doesn't matter if they are biased against him or not. The same organizations doing the polls now are the same ones who have done the polls for the last 10 presidents. So even if there is a bias in the polling, it is already reflected in the bottom line.
Obama didn't have a high average approval rating, but his approval seesawed quite a lot over the course of his presidency. Trump's approval rating hasn't really changed much since he elected, which is probably worse for him. That means the people who loved him then, love him now. The people who hated him then, hate him now.
More people have hated him than have loved him over the course of his presidency. He might be re-elected, but if it happens it won't be with the majority of votes. And the difference this time around is that his opponent, whoever it is, will not make the mistake of thinking he's a joke this time. Any uptick in voter enthusiasm will definitely go against him.
^^ Precisely why voter suppression has become the principal republican strategy. They know they can't win if people show up to vote. So everyone please do! And fight the variety of measures getting pushed that would discourage or even prevent you from doing so!
The thread's going a bit off topic, but I do have to say that Democrats biggest issue this Fall isn't going to be Trump, but a splintering and alienation of their own base. If Warren or Sanders get the nomination there's going to be a large showing from younger, progressive voters November, but they will scare off a lot of moderate and more conservative Democrats and independents.
And with the opposite [[and probably more likely) scenario where Biden ends up with the nomination there's going to be little excitement among Millennials and Generation Z to motivate them to the polls and vote for a 77 year old man that recently reminded them to "leave the record player on at night" to aid in early childhood development.
I'm not a fan of President Trump, but I'll reluctantly vote for him [[Again) if what the Democrats have to offer isn't likely to be any better.
I sincerely cannot understand how you can sleep with yourself to support such a disgrace.
Idealism may be sometimes unrealistic, but at least there is no shame.
Besides, whatever aspects are unrealistic won't happen.
We'll arrive somewhere in between.
I'm more worried about all the bad things that can happen when we're led by an authoritarian pathological narcissisitic sociopath, and already have.
I have to second what Bust said..... :[[
The man has lied thousands of times, and has been impeached. But some people will still give him a pass. Unbelievable.... :mad:
Hey, I'm an old moderate, so I don't really much give a care over what may happen. But the dems have come up with a dozen candidates who are so far left, the party is about to tip over. Should MAGA take 2020, dems have no one to blame but themselves for getting so far liberal.
^ but as we can see they will continue to blame others instead of doing a little common sense soul searching.
Its a good thing they are not in the armaments industry,with all of thier dud bombshells they would last even less time.
So in 2016 there was no good choices because the establishment only wanted Clinton, and now in 2020 there are no good choices because there are too many people and they can't get behind one another. Maybe the people complaining about the candidates were never going to vote for any of them in the first place. If you can't find a Democrat you like out of the 20+ that were running, maybe you were never a Democrat.
This November it won't be many different Democrats running against Trump, it will be one. Is there any candidate out of the dozen or so still left that can bring the party together between now and the election? I sure don't see Sanders or Biden doing so [[Given their differences many supporters of one won't be overly excited by the option of voting for the other). Maybe Bloomberg could simply buy it?
Notice how the timing of turning over the impeachment documents to the senate keeps the dem top runners out of the Iowa caucus,Monday is Iowa day they will not finish up until wed the 5th,that will hurt everybody but Biden.
Well played on Pelosi’s part.
That's what I've been thinking. They know that fruit-cakes like Warren and failures like Budijudge have no shot. And Sanders is likely to win the Primary,.. but then get crushed in a general.
So they're going to have to rig the primary again to ensure Biden wins the nomination. And it will be a better look if Biden is at least tied. So keeping him off the campaign trail for a few weeks will help close the gap for Biden.
Poor Sen. Sanders. Getting the Dem shaft yet again. He'll be in the lead [[likely) for a second convention,.. and get zero nominations. Perhaps he should run under the Communist Party?
The real test will be what happens after the senate drops the impeachment charade,a lot of republicans want to start hearings on the whole Biden/Burisma thing.
If it is found that shady things happened,it will pull Biden out of the race and pave the path for a progressive win.
That is really Bidens get out of jail free card of sorts because they will weigh retribution against the ramifications of a progressive win.
I think they will let him stay in play,if he wins and if it becomes a republican controlled house and senate they can impeach him,if Trump wins they can then start the investigations along with the other highly placed House Dems that have family members in highly placed positions across the globe under dubious circumstances.
Somebody posted how dirty politics is today,I think Julius Caesar would argue with that.
It is social media and the ability to reach millions in seconds.
Richard... if it becomes a Republican controlled House and Senate? Thanks for the laugh... suburban urban and urban voters will get their revenge come November... And your comment about family members in high places? Since when did that become a Democratic monopoly?
I bet you didn't see the 2018 Democratic takeover of the House? Trump never got over 45% of the voters in popularity since elected... I don't forsee that changing anytime soon. He's nasty and a serial liar... glad a majority of Americans see that now...
He won Michigan by a thin 10,000 votes margin... and 80,000 people left their presidential choice blank on their ballots. I don't think that will happen again. ;)
I remember reading in 2012 that a lot of voters unhappy with Obama voted for him anyway because they said they didn’t want to start all over again after just 4 years with someone bringing in all new people and policies. No excitement about the Republican candidate then and none for Democrats this election. The guy on the street just isn’t paying any attention to the 24-7 attacks against the president.
It does not matter if he won by 1 vote or 10,000 key word is WON ,which he did and then became your loving president.
What is the difference between then and now?
He has done what he said he was going to do on the campaign trail,he did not make a bunch of promises in order to get elected then forgot about everybody once elected.
Despite the sideshow the one thing is clear,he is not afraid of pissing people off in order to get results,he takes the heat.
How come Obama did not provide Javlin missiles to the Ukraine?
Because he was scared that it would piss Russian off so he just made it look like we were supporting the Ukraine while throwing them under the bus.
President Trump gave them the missiles,are we at war with the Russians? Or maybe now the Russians know it is not a good idea to even try to go down that path.
The Democrats have accomplished a few things but because of the constant media mode of attacking the orange guy they overshadow thier own accomplishments.
Everytime they have attacked it has ended in failure,perception plays a role.
CTG posted it,the adverage person is caught up in their daily lives and enjoying the fruits of a booming economy,are they going to vote comfortably or take a risk?
Trump has had 3 plus years of track record,we are not at world war 3 like you guys predicted,the ones that promised to move to Canada if he was elected are still here.
Creditability is about doing what you say you are going to do and all of these heat of the moment outcries that have been coming and going wear thin on people after awhile.
History will remember the last 3 years of dem accomplishment as they impeached the president,which actually accomplished nothing.
Bad orange man still there making America great again.
The Biden corruption goes WAY deeper than just his son Hunter.
In November 2010, longtime Biden family friend Kevin Justice shows up at the White House to meet with Biden’s office, three weeks later Joe Biden’s brother James is appointed Executive Vice president of his new construction company. The company then got a $1.5 billion construction contract in Iraq. [[Joe Biden's brother having NO background in construction by the way).
Then there's Joe Biden's other brother Frank, who headed up renewable energy projects in Costa Rica and Jamaica, some funded with U.S. taxpayer dollars, with no background in energy [[was a real-estate developer).
Biden may be going to jail. Same with Adam Shiff. He claims to not have spoken to the whistle--blower [[who's not really a whistle-blower at all). But the guy was actually hired by Adam Shiff and works on Shiff's staff. LOL The whole thing was a setup from the beginning.
You are so far off base on so many things is destroys the credibility of what you're saying. Trump made many promises that he has not kept such as eliminating the national debt, balancing the budget, eliminating ISIS, Mexico paying for the wall, eliminating ACA, create huge infrastructure spending, ending common core, etc. Why is it so hard for you to admit this guy overpromises all the time? It's delusional.
Ya might want to do a little research before referring to creditability.
On the common core in itself 47 states have already eliminated or in the process of elimination.
https://m.box.com/shared_item/https%...o5otf0ojtfe3tu
california alone received $102 million from the feds to pay for it but the local tax base will have to come up with an additional 2.1 billion to cover its costs.
"Get rid of Common Core — keep education local!"
Those were Trumps words,he did not say he was going to get rid of it,he can dissolve the funding of it at the federal level,he has no control over common core it is on the States,Obama did not implement common core but he did incentivize it at the federal level,it was never a federal mandated program.
https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2016...of-common-core
Why would I need to provide defense of incorrect information that you posted while questioning my credibility?
I was trying not to keep embarrassing you but,okay let’s move on to your ACA argument.
ACA is comprised of two mandates.
The individual mandate,where if you could not afford it you would get a fine.
Nice solution for health care for the poor,if you cannot afford to buy it we will fine you because you are poor,and we will take your income tax refund if you do not pay it.
The second mandate is the employer mandate.
The Trump administration eliminated the individual mandate requirement,which also cuts the legs off of the employer mandate.
Because employers employ individuals,who would have thought.
So yes he has in essence neutered ACA,no not cancelled it out in the word sense.
That was two years ago,where have you been?
Granted it did not take effect until 2019 because when ACA was implemented it was term limited.
See that was the problem with Obama,everything he implemented in order to make people think he was actually accomplishing something Was term limits.
ACA
DACA etc.
He did not really cast anything in stone,outside of cushy jobs for his cabinet after politics,but he was pretty good at kicking the can down the road with no actual solutions.
They were all just temporary programs subject to bi-partisan funding every few years.You want to kill a program,do not fund it.
The only person you are embarrassing is yourself because you keep attempting to move the goal post to get out of saying Trump hasn't kept the promises he stated. He said he was going to balance the budget, eliminate the debt, make Mexico pay for the wall, eliminate ISIS, among the getting rid of Common Core. He just simply has no ability to do the things he said he was going to and people keep buying his talk.
So Trump has no ability to tell states to get rid of Common Core, but he ran on his ability to eliminate it. "We're getting rid of Common Core". Trump said that in the Debate in Detroit in which he tried to explain how cutting Common Core and EPA was going to balance the budget, which Fox New host Chris Wallace told him his cuts wouldn't be enough to even offset his tax cuts, let alone balance the budget. So again, he claimed it would all work out and people believed him, and yet here we are.
So believe whatever you want, but don't come in here and start talking about how Dems need to stop promising things they can't deliver on, because it's clear Trump can't do that.
^ my unborn child is a bum because he does not have a job lined up.
You are trying to base an argument on an incomplete term,you know for a fact that he is finished with completing his mission?
Read your post where you are quoting what he said “We’re” getting rid of common core.
The problem is you are so obsessed with Trump that you forget he is not a Lone Ranger,just like in the phone call that tweaked the Dems so bad,he used the word WE.
Do you actually understand what WE and We’re represents?
We are having a discussion,not just myself or not just you.
As the president of the United States Trump represents both of us and as much as people hate the concept,like it or not he is still your president and OUR president.
I am not sure what part of the word WE is so hard to understand,we’re getting rid of common core.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Friday that he has officially ended Common Core in his state and outlined new standards that he says “embrace common sense.”
Ron DeSantis is a republican,Trump ended the federal funding aspect,DeSantis ended the state aspect of it.
We ended common core in Florida,we being the president of the United States,the governor of Florida and the citizens of Florida.
We are a collective as Americans and not individuals.
You put words in my mouth, saying I said that the Dems need to stop promising things that they cannot deliver on.
You need to show me where I posted that.
Unless you just have a guilty conscience.
You guys really like to make it up as you go along then call out others.
I will say it now though,if the Dems through out history had actually did what they promised,we would not have inner cities in the shape that they are in.
Notice I used the word WE because at the end of the day WE are all Americans.
Can't you take this over to "Non-Detroit" where it belongs? Started out as Kwame and Karmanos Flying Circus and now it's just the same old political shit with the same old blathering person
^ I’ll bet you think your blathering is something special,nobody forces anybody to read and a discussion is not about pleasing the individual.
Why did you have to pull the age discrimination card?
The only contribution you made to the discussion was to complain about it while not actually contributing to the discussion that you were complaining about.
What are your thoughts on the Kwame and Karmanos flying circus?
My thoughts are none of your business unless I care to share them
Hah! Looks like the whole thread has burned down to ashes...:rolleyes:...
Never listen to the opinions of those darn business owners.
Much better to listen to the opinions of min wage workers and the unemployed. They're the ones with the true wisdom.
KING KWAME stays in prison nuff said.
Why doesn't anyone talk about freeing Bobby Ferguson? If they free one I would assume you have to free both.
please mr Karmanos, put some money into voter registration/information campaigns.
https://www.lwvmi.org/
With the latest round of debauchery announced today in the continuing degradation of the American Justice system, it might become reasonable to expect this scum to be released also.
The Orange Imbecile just keeps proving what a complete and utter disgrace he is.
It may be challenging for the President to keep Kwame locked up after he
freed Bernie Kerick, Michael Milken and Rod Blagojevich. Alas, I don't think Kwame has any money to contribute to the Trump campaign and it is uncertain that Kwame could campaign effectively in Michigan for President Trump or James.
In the Obama president, there were quite a few members of Congress who strongly encourage President Obama to pardon Jack Johnson. President Obama never got around to giving Jack Johnson a pardon but
President Trump did so in May 2018. This pretty much went unnoticed.
Actually all someone has to say these days for a black defendant to be released is something something "institutional incarceration", "caged black bodies", "fatherless homes", etc, and they receive a get out of jail card. See Trump's First Step act, bail reform in NYC, traffic violation vouchers in Minneapolis, fare evasion decriminalization in DC and Philly, and so on. The chances of Kwame being pardoned have never been higher.
There obviously needs to be some oversight on the process, including review and ratification by either the courts, the legislature or both. These actions need to be justified rather than personal payback. Same situation in Kentucky when the Governor who was so thoroughly hated by his own party was voted out.
On December 23, 1971, Jimmy Hoffa was released from prison when President Richard Nixon commuted his sentence to time served.
The Morouns already tried this stuff and it failed.
Kwame's biggest problem is that he's broke and heavily in debt, a republican is not going to pardon a corrupt democrat when there's no money involved. The very few Detroiters who support his pardon will not be voting R, ever.
Funny thing is even if Kwame gets out of jail his life is still over. He's in debt for his whole life and where is he even going to get a job? I guess he could set up a go fund me page.
After yesterday, I think it's almost a given that Kwame will have his sentence commuted. It's not an if, it's when. It could happen this week to give the country a bit more gaslighting ahead of the Roger Stone sentencing. It could happen later this year after the Democratic nominee is chosen, perhaps during the Democratic National Convention.
The t-shirt fundraiser didn't go so well:eek:.......https://www.freep.com/story/news/loc...rts/630805002/
Stones recommended sentence was 7 to 9 years,history shows the same sentence as 1 year to 1 year 18 months so there could be an argument of politically motivated.
Kilpatrick helped run a city into the ground for his personal gain,it probably would have been a bit more palatable if the citizens were taken care of first.
Different circumstances,different views,as long as we are betting I do not see it happening,it would make the case for the last 3 mayors in Baltimore to be pardoned.
In the case of Kilpatrick, there's a difference.. [[tick-tock, tick-tock)... he's, uh... not white.
If anything, loyalists like Karmanos might give him some kind of ambiguously defined consultancy, and, one supposes, that will be that, as far as work goes. But it would be interesting to see how is debt issues would be dealt with. During his time in the Dallas area, up until the time of his incarceration, he was claiming his wife paid all the bills and that he didn't know where her income came from or exactly how their house was paid for.
Until then... this condescending display from Cleveland will probably continue until the election.... :[[
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KELzDHXBNUQ
^ so it is condescending to make it rain in a club also? Or only if the white guy is doing it?
Would it be condescending to go and get utilities help that pays the bill?
At the very least the Dems promise free money without delivering and here we are watching somebody delivering free money without having to promise anything.
Did not see anybody saying no.
[QUOTE=Hypestyles;587105]In the case of Kilpatrick, there's a difference.. [[tick-tock, tick-tock)... he's, uh... not white.
If anything, loyalists like Karmanos might give him some kind of ambiguously defined consultancy, and, one supposes, that will be that, as far as work goes. But it would be interesting to see how is debt issues would be dealt with. During his time in the Dallas area, up until the time of his incarceration, he was claiming his wife paid all the bills and that he didn't know where her income came from or exactly how their house was paid for.[/QUOTE
Jack Johnson was white?
The justice reform act allowed lots of non whites to be released from prison for unjust sentencing.
The lady in Atlanta that had a life sentence for a drug deal,he got released and she was not white,Nice try.
Maybe the Kilpatrick's didn't have enough to give the Trumps [[money, influence, other things of value) to be included in this weeks pardons. Kilpatrick was a lot closer to getting pardoned than what I thought based off of what happened this week.
I guess Trump supporters don't see anything wrong in trying to "buy" an election. I know.. no one mentioned who to vote for... but anyone with half a brain can put two and two together to get an idea of what the purpose of this action by this minister is intended for. And speaking of two and two... in the previous century they used to use $2 bills to buy votes for elections. But this is a more subtle approach. Richard, I read in Non-Detroit Issues your unwavering love of your president.
I started this thread back when it was only about Kwame, and not before Trump went on a pardon spree... whose end result will be to pardon everyone one of his buddies who got caught lying to federal procecutors. We all know what's coming next. I doubt Kwame will be part of that... but knowing how unchecked Trump feels right now to use his presidential power [[especially for political gain)... nothing would surprise me anymore. :eek: