Stabbing at GM Tech Center Ended By Valet Staff

Fast acting by car valet on site ended the stabbing of mother by daughter....
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...89100361-story

Still in question: will Didarul Sarder keep his job?
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...88543818-story
From article:
"The lady kept saying 'I'm dying, someone help' and it was just natural reaction," says Sarder. "I just see this lady getting stabbed. I only had like half a second to think and I unholstered my firearm and pointed it at her to drop the knife."

Sarder says he told the woman to stay put until she was arrested by police.

FOX 2: "You probably saved this woman's life."

"I hope so, I hope she makes it," Sarder says. "Maybe those few seconds before the police arrived could be the difference between life and death."

The victim, identified as Stephanie Kerr, is in critical condition, and is lucky the stabbing didn't continue any longer, according to city officials. All of which is why Sarder says he was surprised to have been fired on the spot by a GM employee and then escorted off the property.

Mom hugging daughter when stabbed at Tech Center
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...alet/80237266/
From article:
"The mother was hugging the daughter and the daughter started stabbing her mother in the back," [Mayor] Fouts told the Free Press on Thursday. He said the mother helps raise the daughter's children, ages 11 and 12, and that authorities think the daughter -- who the mother said had some mental issues -- was upset about something.

...The daughter came to the tech center, asking for her mother by name. They talked in the lobby, Fouts has said, then went outside, where the daughter began stabbing her mother.

There were conflicting reports initially over whether the parking valet who halted the attack, Didarul Sarder of Warren, lost his job for bringing a gun to work.

Jill Nagel, spokeswoman for the Chicago-based valet service SP+ Corp., which contracts with GM, said Thursday that Sarder "is not nor was he ever terminated." She said Sarder was placed on suspension per company policy -- although she did not know if it was with or without pay -- until the incident is investigated internally.

Green said Thursday that police understood that Sarder’s employer is keeping him, but he will not be back at GM. Nagel said the decision on whether to keep Nagel at GM has not been determined.

For some reason I get an error when I open your links, let me try.

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...89100361-story

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...88543818-story


I hope someone hires this guy. He saved the woman's life and broke up a bad situation. Way to go Mr. Sarder!!! I guess no good deed DOES go unpunished....

A case of a responsible gun owner preventing a death. He need not even pull the trigger. He seems to have use discretion and now a woman is still alive, and another woman won't be charged with murder [[but still, she's getting locked up for a while...).

Now, to the question of whether or not he should be punished by his place of work. If GM has a policy in place, it ought to apply to this man. If I were a gun owner, which I am not, I would be asking my workplace their policy on concealed carry before I brought a gun onto their property.

I'm for getting rid of government mandated gun-free zones, but also for restricting weapons to those that are useful to hunting and self defense. There's no need for machine pistols, 30 round magazines, and other weapons that are designed to kill scores of people or inflict large amount of imprecise damage.

Personal property owners should always have a say in whether guns are permitted on their property. While I think the smart choice is to allow concealed carry, the freedom to choose what happens on your property is more important.

Why would we want to allow property owners the freedom to choose what happens on their own property when we don't trust them to determine if where they live should be considered an historic district? One impacts lives, the other is just academic.

Thank you J. I will go in and edit that broken link i posted.....

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The freep link repaired: Mayor: Mom hugging daughter when stabbed at Tech Center

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Extra problem is that Sarder works for a vendor/ agency to GM, so that's once removed from the primary employers protection, or guidelines. However, when it comes to getting the 'boot', if the company you're working for thru an agency says 'goodbye' the agency or temp service usually abides by that.

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Extra problem is that Sarder works for a vendor/ agency to GM, so that's once removed from the primary employers protection, or guidelines. However, when it comes to getting the 'boot', if the company you're working for thru an agency says 'goodbye' the agency or temp service usually abides by that.

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Once removed true, but if your employment may depend on it, you ask.

I'm as curious about the valet parking situation at the Tech Center as I am about all the stabbing drama.

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I'm as curious about the valet parking situation at the Tech Center as I am about all the stabbing drama.

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Suppliers aren't allowed to enter by any door but the lobby to visit with engineers, etc, so they drive up and a valet parks their car so they can make the 10 minute walk to the back of the building and then when they're done, the valet brings it back. It's not valet for the employees

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Suppliers aren't allowed to enter by any door but the lobby to visit with engineers, etc, so they drive up and a valet parks their car so they can make the 10 minute walk to the back of the building and then when they're done, the valet brings it back. It's not valet for the employees

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Cool - didn't mean to derail the thread, but I've visited easily over 100 corporate HQs in my travels for work, and have never encountered such an amenity.

From some of the responses that I've seen posted here, it is apparent that no one has actually worked at ANY of the Big Three. I have worked as a direct employee of all three companies, and I can assure you that there is no mystery whatsoever as to their policy on weapons. About the third sheet in any hard copy package that they give you is a NO TOLERANCE policy regarding weapons/firearms on the property. Then you take on-line training which mentions this policy at least ten more times. No one is allowed to bring weapons onto PRIVATE company property. Even their guarts are not armed. Their house, their rules. Period. As to the valet, they have one now for the executives outside this very door, since the great flood of 2015 wiped out the exec. parking garage just below the building in question, which was the VEC [[the very door I was standing outside of ten minutes after the incident occurred, taking my cigar break at 9:30). While she is closest, even jcole didn't have it right [[as a supplier, I can enter any door in the facility as long as I am cleared for entrance to that building). I can only park in designated areas [[as I drive a non-GM car) and I have to walk to the building. The only reason the valet is there is for executives. There is no paying anyone, as it isn't available to the public, only their management. Lastly, the guy wasn't fired by GM as he wasn't their employee. He was BANNED from their property for disregarding the rules. They get people on this all the time.

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From some of the responses that I've seen posted here, it is apparent that no one has actually worked at ANY of the Big Three. I have worked as a direct employee of all three companies, and I can assure you that there is no mystery whatsoever as to their policy on weapons. About the third sheet in any hard copy package that they give you is a NO TOLERANCE policy regarding weapons/firearms on the property. Then you take on-line training which mentions this policy at least ten more times. No one is allowed to bring weapons onto PRIVATE company property. Even their guarts are not armed. Their house, their rules. Period. As to the valet, they have one now for the executives outside this very door, since the great flood of 2015 wiped out the exec. parking garage just below the building in question, which was the VEC [[the very door I was standing outside of ten minutes after the incident occurred, taking my cigar break at 9:30). While she is closest, even jcole didn't have it right [[as a supplier, I can enter any door in the facility as long as I am cleared for entrance to that building). I can only park in designated areas [[as I drive a non-GM car) and I have to walk to the building. The only reason the valet is there is for executives. There is no paying anyone, as it isn't available to the public, only their management. Lastly, the guy wasn't fired by GM as he wasn't their employee. He was BANNED from their property for disregarding the rules. They get people on this all the time.

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GM has stringent rules, I get it. A person was being stabbed to death, and a man intervened, prevented a death, and did it peacefully. He lost his job. If he had saved one of their executives, he probably would have been rewarded. I know it doesn't mean much to GM, but I was considering one of their products, and I won't be now. I have my rules too.

If that is your criteria, then you wouldn't be driving a car built in the US. ALL plants and automotive makers and suppliers have these rules. Perhaps you should be looking at a Schwinn? :) He would have been banned no matter who he saved, exec or normal shmo. Zero tolerance-same for everyone. By the way, I know of this rule being broken daily. It is only when this kind of thing happens that someone is made an example of.

Kudos to the guy that may have just saved this woman's life! There are no laws against carrying at the Tech Center so the only risks to someone legally carrying would be loss of employment or the minuscule chance of being cited for trespassing. Neither of which seem like very significant repercussions if you have just saved your life or the life of another.

I am not sure what you are talking about. Weapons of ANY type are not allowed on any Big Three site that I have been to in this country. They are, indeed banned, and possession of one will get you fired. No exceptions. Do you even work at the Tech Center, because what you said is simply not true. I agree that he is a hero, just one who is no longer allowed on GM property. It is private property, and you have to play by their rules or you are out. Hope you are not so stupid as to think that what you said is true-because if you carry on ANY of the sites[[and get caught), you'll be gone faster than you can say goodbye.

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If that is your criteria, then you wouldn't be driving a car built in the US. ALL plants and automotive makers and suppliers have these rules. Perhaps you should be looking at a Schwinn? :) He would have been banned no matter who he saved, exec or normal shmo. Zero tolerance-same for everyone. By the way, I know of this rule being broken daily. It is only when this kind of thing happens that someone is made an example of.

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I'm not quite sure what me "looking @ a Schwinn" has to do with anything, but if you own one, to avoid paint fading, why don't you park yours where the sun don't shine?

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Originally Posted by PlymouthRes

From some of the responses that I've seen posted here, it is apparent that no one has actually worked at ANY of the Big Three. I have worked as a direct employee of all three companies, and I can assure you that there is no mystery whatsoever as to their policy on weapons. About the third sheet in any hard copy package that they give you is a NO TOLERANCE policy regarding weapons/firearms on the property. Then you take on-line training which mentions this policy at least ten more times. No one is allowed to bring weapons onto PRIVATE company property. Even their guarts are not armed. Their house, their rules. Period. As to the valet, they have one now for the executives outside this very door, since the great flood of 2015 wiped out the exec. parking garage just below the building in question, which was the VEC [[the very door I was standing outside of ten minutes after the incident occurred, taking my cigar break at 9:30). While she is closest, even jcole didn't have it right [[as a supplier, I can enter any door in the facility as long as I am cleared for entrance to that building). I can only park in designated areas [[as I drive a non-GM car) and I have to walk to the building. The only reason the valet is there is for executives. There is no paying anyone, as it isn't available to the public, only their management. Lastly, the guy wasn't fired by GM as he wasn't their employee. He was BANNED from their property for disregarding the rules. They get people on this all the time.

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My daughter works there and according to her, her suppliers cannot enter by the back door as they used to be able to do; they are now restricted to the front lobby door. This is in VEC; I don't know about other buildings on the campus

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I am not sure what you are talking about. Weapons of ANY type are not allowed on any Big Three site that I have been to in this country. They are, indeed banned, and possession of one will get you fired. No exceptions. Do you even work at the Tech Center, because what you said is simply not true. I agree that he is a hero, just one who is no longer allowed on GM property. It is private property, and you have to play by their rules or you are out. Hope you are not so stupid as to think that what you said is true-because if you carry on ANY of the sites[[and get caught), you'll be gone faster than you can say goodbye.

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Are you replying to my post? If so, please read it again.

I was not too big on GM products before, though Buick was sorta getting my attention.

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...If he had saved one of their executives, he probably would have been rewarded. I know it doesn't mean much to GM, but I was considering one of their products, and I won't be now. I have my rules too.

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Perhaps you didn't notice the smiley that I added after my statement? How you could have construed what I said as anything but funny is beyond me. Instead, you took this in a direction that clearly shows you have no sense of humor and also that you have no understanding of the simple response I gave to your blanket statement about what is clearly a rule of employment or visitation at any of the Big Three. Read what you said and my reply again before you start telling me where to head in. Folks like you are one of the reasons that I rarely post here anymore.

And yes, Jonny5, I was replying to your post. You said "There are no laws against carrying at the Tech Center.......", which leads me to believe that you are saying that you CAN legally carry on the premises, which is not true, hence the guy being banned from GM property.

And to be clear, I think the guy was a hero, despite the dumb rules these companies have. People that want to commit these types of crimes will find a way to do it, as evidenced here. Usually they go for the "gun free" places because they know they are an easy target.

jcole-I work there too [[perhaps you didn't see that?) and I go in and out that door all the time [[I am a contract supplier to GM). I use that door and the one from the parking deck [[two opposite sides of the building) all the time. On the east side of the building is a desk that you can reach to get in touch with someone who works there, but that particular person is responsible for letting you in and out. The other side [[West doors, next to the pond), is where this incident occurred, which makes this all the more strange as there is a lot of traffic going on there.

From the witnesses that I spoke with [[about 10 minutes after it happened), they all stated that there were about 20-30 people standing there who didn't do a thing to intervene. It was only the valet guy's actions that saved her.

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Perhaps you didn't notice the smiley that I added after my statement? How you could have construed what I said as anything but funny is beyond me. Instead, you took this in a direction that clearly shows you have no sense of humor and also that you have no understanding of the simple response I gave to your blanket statement about what is clearly a rule of employment or visitation at any of the Big Three. Read what you said and my reply again before you start telling me where to head in. Folks like you are one of the reasons that I rarely post here anymore.

And yes, Jonny5, I was replying to your post. You said "There are no laws against carrying at the Tech Center.......", which leads me to believe that you are saying that you CAN legally carry on the premises, which is not true, hence the guy being banned from GM property.

And to be clear, I think the guy was a hero, despite the dumb rules these companies have. People that want to commit these types of crimes will find a way to do it, as evidenced here. Usually they go for the "gun free" places because they know they are an easy target.

jcole-I work there too [[perhaps you didn't see that?) and I go in and out that door all the time [[I am a contract supplier to GM). I use that door and the one from the parking deck [[two opposite sides of the building) all the time. On the east side of the building is a desk that you can reach to get in touch with someone who works there, but that particular person is responsible for letting you in and out. The other side [[West doors, next to the pond), is where this incident occurred, which makes this all the more strange as there is a lot of traffic going on there.

From the witnesses that I spoke with [[about 10 minutes after it happened), they all stated that there were about 20-30 people standing there who didn't do a thing to intervene. It was only the valet guy's actions that saved her.

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No, I didn't miss what you said; I simply stated what I was told by my daughter. Maybe the difference is that you are a contract supplier and the one's she was talking about aren't. It sounds as if you work on site all the time so your status must be different from someone who is an off-site supplier, like a Valeo employee or something

Ironically, I just started working there more regularly, but I was unaware of these restrictions. I know that it took about three times longer for me to get access this time from last, when I was a Studio Engineer there. I don't know all of the differences in clearances there that well, so maybe what you suggest is the way it is. All I know is that all of the Big Three are tightening down on there access to internal buildings, and for good reason.

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No, I didn't miss what you said; I simply stated what I was told by my daughter. Maybe the difference is that you are a contract supplier and the one's she was talking about aren't. It sounds as if you work on site all the time so your status must be different from someone who is an off-site supplier, like a Valeo employee or something

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That's correct.

Only those with badges [[contract and direct) SHOULD be entering through the west lobby doors of the VEC lobby.

If you're, say, an account manager from a supplier, you SHOULD only be entering through the east lobby of the VEC.

There is emphasis on SHOULD of course. There are over 20,000 people on the Tech Center campus and probably hundreds of others visiting at any given time. There's no way everyone obeys that policy, and there's no way GM can ensure everyone does [[as this story clearly shows).

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And to be clear, I think the guy was a hero, despite the dumb rules these companies have. People that want to commit these types of crimes will find a way to do it, as evidenced here. Usually they go for the "gun free" places because they know they are an easy target.

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I'd say most of the employees at the Tech Center and the VEC would agree.

But I can understand why GM reacted the way they did. If you don't set an example, other employees will think they can do the same thing this guy did. Besides that, if he were to shoot someone and kill them with his gun, that would leave GM wide open to all sorts of costly lawsuits [[which, in the wake of the ignition switch recall, is the last thing they need more of).

Perosonally, my hope is given the uniqueness of this situation, cooler heads and common sense will prevail and this guy will be able to return to his assignment.

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The only reason the valet is there is for executives. There is no paying anyone, as it isn't available to the public, only their management.

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Actually, at least since the last few months, the valet service is also available to off-site suppliers.

This is to the frustration of employees on-campus, as they closed off a very sizable lot at the VEC to accommodate this service for the suppliers as well. With the relatively rapid pace GM's been hiring, parking is very limited these days at the Tech Center.

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...snip...Perosonally, my hope is given the uniqueness of this situation, cooler heads and common sense will prevail and this guy will be able to return to his assignment.

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We don't seem to be able to use common sense anymore. Everything gets judged by the rules. But you're right. This is a case where this guy should be disciplined for violating the rules, but also at the same time celebrated for potentially saving a life.

If he's fired by his employer [[because of loss of GM workplace), I would hope somebody will step up and bring him on. That, btw, is how it should work. Fired for a serious offense. Hired elsewhere for good actions. No lawyers or rules needed.

Literally, yesterday's news: Fired GM Technical Center valet who pulled gun on stabber gets job back

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A valet who pulled a gun to stop a stabbing attack at the General Motors Technical Center has his job back after he was fired by the valet company Wednesday, Warren Mayor James Fouts said Thursday.

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Actually, at least since the last few months, the valet service is also available to off-site suppliers.

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The valet is for non-GM employee visitors to the VEC. It started in December.

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Perhaps you didn't notice the smiley that I added after my statement? How you could have construed what I said as anything but funny is beyond me. Instead, you took this in a direction that clearly shows you have no sense of humor and also that you have no understanding of the simple response I gave to your blanket statement about what is clearly a rule of employment or visitation at any of the Big Three. Read what you said and my reply again before you start telling me where to head in. Folks like you are one of the reasons that I rarely post here anymore.

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I will vouch for the Tonk here. You or I don't always agree with him but he has a exellant sence of humor that has been demonstrated on this board many times. I laughed, both comments were just humor.

"I laughed, I cried, I posted.... I give Honky Tonk two thumbs up....."

Gene Siskel
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The valet is for non-GM employee visitors to the VEC. It started in December.

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I guess I worded my post wrong.

The typical non-GM employee visitors at the VEC are off-site suppliers, but how you said it is probably a more accurate way to describe it.

And his movies are always rated PG13! Enjoy!

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"I laughed, I cried, I posted.... I give Honky Tonk two thumbs up....."

Gene Siskel
Roger Ebert

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And his movies are always rated PG13! Enjoy!

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PG13??? Well that's no good, have to have R rated nudity! Comon this could be 90 minutes of my life spent.