A sign of things to come?
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...move/78080288/
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A sign of things to come?
http://www.freep.com/story/news/loca...move/78080288/
Headline is inaccuarate. Business was not forced out. The owner chose not to renew the lease.
There must be someone with deeper pockets waiting.
The new location at the old Lucky's will be more spacious and have more available parking. Still pretty close to downtown. Not a loss in my opinion.
Agree, definitely not a loss. The business is growing [[hiring 20 new people), staying in Detroit, and occupying a vacant space.Quote:
Originally Posted by innercitydoc
I also agree that the headline is misleading - it sounds like there was racism or something involved. Instead, it just sounds like they outgrew the space. Which isn't exactly shocking given that they have two other locations and aren't in the "selling stuff in the back of a bar" phase in their business anymore.
It would be nice if they could figure out a way to have a downtown location - maybe a food truck or something if rent is too high? But overall, this is a positive development for them and for the city.
Try re-reading the article. It was the landlord who chose not to renew their lease and evict them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Khorasaurus
Thus, the title is accurate. I know the owners of the Bucharest Grill are going to hate losing the customers from the sports games and concerts. Many of them, who hop right on I-94, I-75 or the Lodge after leaving these events, are not going to go off the beaten path to Jefferson and Chene for a Shawarma.
Downtown will truly be revived when closure of a fast food rest. like this or Bagger Dave's isn't a headline article on the papers' websites. I'm trying to imagine these stories on the front of the Chicago Tribune, Toronto Star, etc.
Let's not forget Bucharest just opened their new location in the old Dave's Restaurant at Piquette and John R. They are the first new site it the heating up Milwaukee Junction district. It's getting reminiscent of 20's - Downtown is getting too hot and pricey and the move is on to New Center.
If the owner ran them off so much the worse for him. Bucharest was a big plus to the Park Bar, the main reason why I and many I knew went there vs. all the other bars around there.
And 401don it might qualify as fast food but it was healthy and tasty fast food.
The next good Shawarma is 14 and Woodward, Falafil King!! Just Joking!
Or hang 94 west to swing on over to E. Dearborn for the best of all that kind of food!
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Originally Posted by 313WX
Great news! Congestion and lack of parking kept me from the downtown location!
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Originally Posted by Lowell
Closer to me! I am very happy.
Before you continue the argument about force out or lease too expensive.... I could have sworn that the Freep article changed from this morning... and that was what changed.... :cool:
I totally agree. "LUCKY" for me!Quote:
Originally Posted by p69rrh51
I wish Supergreenland would open a location near Bucharest. Bucharest, sounds like a Syrian mattress company.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
I haven't said much in a long time, but I had to nitpick a little on the use of "evict". A tenant is "evicted" when they fail to meet the terms of the lease...perhaps they are behind on rent, perhaps they aren't following the rules agreed to for use of the rented space, but whatever it is, there is a breach of contract on the part of the tenant. The eviction is the Landlord asking the courts to remedy contract breach by forcing the tenant to exit the premises.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
Choosing not to renew a lease is a two-way street. A 5-year lease binds the landlord to the tenant as well as the tenant to the landlord.
After 5 years, all bets are off. The two parties can renew for another 5 years. Another 3 years. Another 1 year. The Tenant can demand that rent be cut in half. The Landlord can demand that rent be doubled. They either come to an agreement or not come to an agreement.
Being a tenant and hearing the news that the landlord will not renew is disappointing.
Being a landlord and hearing the news that the tenant will also not renew is disappointing.
Having been on both sides of it, it sucks either way.
I'm a fan of Bucharest. I'm sorry they are moving. But they were not evicted. They were not "forced out". Their lease was up, and the two parties could not reach an agreement to renew.
Thanks for the clear and concise answer. Still not stopping me from going there either way, they serve great Shawarma's .Quote:
Originally Posted by corktownyuppie
I agree they may miss the summer crowds of Tiger fans - but over half the year there is no activity at Comerica Park. Having free parking on E. Jefferson will be a huge draw because you don't have to worry about parking ticket/meters and it will actually be faster to get to [[it's easy off 375/Jefferson). This will pick up volume from the East Side Jefferson traffic [[Grosse Pointers heading home from the Ren Cen, Indian Village) and all visitors to Belle Isle.
I would anticipate a steap drop in volume at Park Bar. I can't think of one good reason to go there anymore - you went there solely because Bucharest didn't have beer and you could do two with one. The same Dirty Blond on tap is at 50 other places downtown.
Yes, REAL cities are too busy for headlines on restaurant closures, they focus on ......?Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
I'm trying to imagine if other cities have annoying people like you. You can't even back up your condescension with a 5 second Google search.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/dining...029-story.html
I've worked a lot with small businesses in Detroit and one of the biggest mistakes they make is working of off short term or month to month leases and expecting to stay beyond the term of the lease. And worse, they oftern say they were "evicted" or "kicked out" or something similar, rather than "aww crap, guess I should have had a longer lease."Quote:
Originally Posted by corktownyuppie
In providing guidance to many businesses that have been around since before the recent growth and that are struggling to adapt to "New Detroit," I'm often frustrated at the guidance/training they need on remedial things like staying open during posted open/close hours, having an internet/Facebook page [[the latter is free!), and accepting credit/debit cards.
Far and away, though, the one I see that causes the most pain is when businesses feel they have some right to just sort of stick around their location after their lease ends.
Very funny. But I'm sure you're aware that Bucharest is actually the capitol and largest city of Romania, native country of owner Bogdan Tarasov.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest
Evict has several definition according to the Merriam-Webster dictionary...Quote:
Originally Posted by corktownyuppie
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evict
I'm not sure how you define things in your circle, and maybe it's different, but one of the definitions for "Evict" in the Merriam-Webster dictionary is "to be forced out," which is exactly what happened per the Detroit Free Press article. Merriam-Webster doesn't mention anything about a tenant failing to pay rent.
What's amazing is how some people are trying their damndest to put lipstick on this pig. I'm just calling a spade a spade.
Yes, it's nice that the Bucharest grill was ultimately able to find another location. But it doesn't change the fact that they [[a loyal and faithful tenant who, for several years, probably kept their landlord's property in the black alone) were given a raw deal beyond their control by a landlord who obviously didn't have them in their vision as an ideal tenant. That's a problem, at least morally, and the landlord deserves to know about it and feel ashamed about it.
This is such bullshit.
I've been around Jerry, the owner of the Park Bar [[and the building that Cliff Bell's is in next door) for a long while. He is one of the most ethical, honest, and solid people that I know. There are few I'd go as far to help if they needed it, since I've seen him help others in extraordinary times.
Every business owner has to make choices. Perhaps he wants to have his own kitchen. Perhaps the crowds that don't drink when they eat finally got to him. Maybe the parking crisis broke it all.
Who really knows?
Every land owner goes for the gold when a lease is up, especially with a business which has grown exponentially.
Nobody knows if there was some sweetheart deal at first that Jerry just couldn't justify this time around. Demonizing him is actually evil to the extreme.
I've had about all I can stand over the bias and attendant chatter going around over this.
There are PLENTY of reasons to go to the Park Bar, the cheap shwarma was merely a nice bonus. Now, I won't have to battle folks to get a seat.
Can't wait to see what Jerry puts in that space now.
Bucharest ain't suffering...they will survive, with all of their other locations.
Good news for me, and other Eastsiders.
Personally, any location away from downtown, or more recently, "Midtown", is fine with me. No pricey parking lot fees or state of the art parking meters to bother with.
No I wasn't, Al. Thanx for the Geography lesson. I lived in a heavy Romanian neighborhood before I decided to move on up to the East side. The Romanian busha's used to send their kids over every now and then with homemade dishes, [[probably felt sorry for the old guy) but I can't say I ever had Romanian Shawarma, though. 3 blocks over was Arab Town, now they had good warma Shawama aplenty. I'm going to drive over to Riverside Furniture and see if they carry Bucharest.Quote:
Originally Posted by EastsideAl
Parking crisis?
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Originally Posted by Gannon
From the Merriam Webster site:Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
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to force [[someone) to leave a place
I'm not sure where the confusion lies. To say that one was "forced to leave" implies that the person had some right to be there to begin with. And therein lies the root of all of the conflict. Of course people would be angry if Bucharest was told they had a guaranteed lease until 2020 only to find out that the landlord was turning his back on the deal. That would definitely meet the definition of "being forced out".
But is that what is happening here? What rights do you have as a tenant once your lease is up? For that matter, what rights do you have as a landlord? I'd say the answer is: None.
Eber Brock Ward references this very point [emphasis mine] :
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I've worked a lot with small businesses in Detroit and one of the biggest mistakes they make is working of off short term or month to month leases and expecting to stay beyond the term of the lease. And worse, they often say they were "evicted" or "kicked out" or something similar, rather than "aww crap, guess I should have had a longer lease."
In providing guidance to many businesses that have been around since before the recent growth and that are struggling to adapt to "New Detroit," I'm often frustrated at the guidance/training they need on remedial things like staying open during posted open/close hours, having an internet/Facebook page [[the latter is free!), and accepting credit/debit cards.
No one was forced out of anything.
If you sign a 1 year lease, pour thousands of dollars of improvements into the space, build a great clientele, start a successful business, and then in month 13 the landlord won't renew??
You weren't forced out. Your lease was up.
When Max Scherzer and the Tigers couldn't negotiate a deal, I was pretty disappointed. But would you say that Scherzer was "forced out" of the Detroit Tiger baseball organization?
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There's gonna be a learning curve as the "Old Detroit" and "New Detroit" questions continue to arise. If we want to be a modern city to be taken seriously again, people need to keep up with modern business practices or be left behind.
But regardless on your take on those dynamics, I don't think either of those parties would be considered "New Detroit". Jerry Belanger, the Park Bar owner was vehemently opposed to the tax benefits to the new hockey stadium. He's hardly the poster child for "New Detroit".
I think this was just a case of a business partnership whose contract expired, and whose interests diverged too much to put together another deal. I'm 100% sure that there are hurt feelings involved, and in every negotiation, both sides blame the other whenever there was a divorce.
But if you don't want to be "forced out", the answer is simple. Negotiate a contract that guarantees either a longer term or the first rights to renew at similar terms.
It could be avoided if they immediately brought back the $20 meter violation fee, with the half-price discount if paid within ten days.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjlj
The current $45 surprise assault is creating serious blowback to all of the existing businesses which have relied upon drop-in customers.
Even my old friend, whose daughter works at Great Lakes Coffee, visibly flinched when telling his story of being hit by a ticket by parking at a spot that has been free for decades...and the signage was insufficient to warn him.
Lesson learned...but it leaves such a stink. Businesses are noticing that their usual drive-by traffic is way down...some have lost streetside parking completely. It sucks...all fueled by greed.
There is a parking crisis, with both temporary and monthly-contract spots. I'll do more research on the monthly stuff and make a thread on it.
No one will dispute Park Bar is where Bucharest got it's start because of the availability of a small kitchen and/or short term lease. And if the owner thinks he can get more rent - more power to him. The owner of the Staples on Jefferson thinks he can get more rent and that location now has "Store closing signs on it".
I as a consumer, however, think Bucharest has outgrown it's need for that space - there is no eating in option, parking etc. Look at it's new outposts in Corktown, New Center, Jefferson and Livernois.
The reality is all that will be left in that area of downtown will be a corner bar. In a rather depressing section of downtown devoid of energy. The energy has moved down to the Z Garage walking area or up to Midtown. May the last one who goes/owns at Park Bar please turn out the lights.
Now we're just getting caught up in semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by corktownyuppie
If a tenant that has done nothing wrong and has no say in the decision by the landlord that they must move out, it is essentially an eviction [[even if it isn't a pretty way to describe it).
When gentrification comes high rent.
$25 [[and no discount) seems to be the major city average. Why would Detroit want to ham-string itself with a $10 fine [[half-off of a $20 fine if paid within a few days)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannon
I disagree, and furthermore, I believe this way of thinking is the source of unnecessary frustration and tension.Quote:
Originally Posted by 313WX
The tenant had plenty of say in the decision. Did they not agree to the length of the lease? Weren't they aware of the day the lease ends? If the reverse were true and the landlord was begging them to renew their lease and they chose to leave, would you accuse the tenant of screwing over the landlord?
Seriously, the more I think about this, the more it frustrates me. Why the hell do tenants believe they're entitled to remain in a location longer than the contract states?? Was this the common way of doing business for a long time?
I'm not trying to be snarky...if that was an accepted practice for several generations or something, then it would be easier to comprehend.
Everywhere I've ever rented, when my lease expires, I can choose to leave with no questions asked. If I move to Florida for 3 years and I find a tenant to sign a 3 year lease to live in my house, that means that at the end, the lease is up and I can move back in.
Someone please explain to me why this seems to be a foreign concept?!?!
Why would Detroit bite the hand that feeds it? Taxes all caught up? 98% graduation rate? Houses all sold? Crime under control? It's a major city alright.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towne Cluber
A big part of Detroit's problem...Doing things differently [[wrongly) than everybody else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Detroit has done a lot of things wrong in the past, including gouging businesses, and tax paying residents. Alienating supporters seems like a stupid act of desperation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towne Cluber
Here's the story:
Follow the link for a video of an interview with Belanger.Quote:
Jerry Belanger owns Park Bar and the building that houses Bucharest. He says he's not renewing the lease because the restaurant is getting too big for his small piece of Detroit.
"In an ironic way he's a victim of his own success," he said of Bucharest. "The place has grown. It's extremely busy down here, there's no parking. The street parking is $45 if you stay after two hours and get a ticket out here. The rest of the parking his closed off unless there's a game, and then it's $20."
http://static.lakana.com/media.fox2d...187_ver1.0.jpgBeloved Bucharest eatery squeezed out downtown due to parking
And it doesn't help that Bucharest employs 60 people. There are nearly 200 when you count the adjacent businesses.http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/loca...66830284-story
The parking problem seems to be rooted in Ilitch's lots being closed on non game days. He owns a huge swath of vacant land for parking and won't even let people park there!
Wow... just wow.... they are surrounded by a vast sea of empty lots to the west used for parking... and there is no place to park.
Hmmmm.... maybe the Statler block that the city is giving to that developer for next to nothing, maybe the city needs to rethink their strategy about downtown parking. Let him build his underground parking deck for residents of the apartments... 1st floor retail, with 6 stories of public municipal parking and 5 floors of apartments. Still may not be much to behold visually... but a 12 story building makes for a better visual footprint, and the added public parking is needed if downtown wants to retain businesses with enough parking. This may not help the Bucharest... but if GCP is going to continue to rebound... then more parking is needed.
Also someone suggested that a pedestrian bridge be built across the Fisher [[I-75) bridge to connect the Arena district with Park Ave. commercial. Is there any reason why a parking structure in the area near the Bucharest can't handle both, including the Fox/Fillmore and Comerica Park?
As loathe as people on this forum are to parking structures/lots, I can't see any other way out of this... :eek:
If that's true, it's a good thing. There is no such thing as a vibrant big city downtown with easy and cheap parking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gannon
I have never had a problem parking downtown, even for special events. When I go downtown alone I don't even pay [[I take my cheapskate ass to the casinos). When with others I suck it up and pay the $10 or whatever.
There should be a fast casual soul food place downtown.
That's a pretty good idea. Something like Beans and Cornbread to Go [[is that place still open?) but with a Chipotle-style setup. Could be a potential franchise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hypestyles
I think part of it comes from a time when people were extremely grateful for any business opening. The ones that survived may feel they deserve special consideration for being pioneers. We may see more of this as competition heats up for space. That just highlights what EBW was saying - if you have a business that's doing well, get a lease to ensure you can keep your location.Quote:
Originally Posted by corktownyuppie
That is a fallacy. If you want to be sure you can keep your location you must own the location. When you lease you are at the mercy of the landlord. Buy property and be your own landlord. Leasing/renting is throwing your money away.Quote:
Originally Posted by archfan
I started going to the park bar and Bucharest grill as soon as it opened and you could park all over the place including Ilitch's lots when games were not going on then for no reason he locked them all up and would not open them except on game days and 20 dollars to park I asked the owner of the park bar about this years ago and he said they lot owners would not budge on letting his customers use the lots even when there were no events going on. The park bar is not the only bar with this problem in the area. When people give high praise to Michael Ilitch I love telling these stories
The parking lots are private property. Ilitch purchased the lots and has the right to do with them as he pleases. You do not have a right to use them. You are not entitled to park your car in there if the owner of the lot does not want you to.Quote:
Originally Posted by ddaydetroit
Having a bunch of bar patrons parking in his lot is a tremendous liability for Ilitch or any other lot owner. If somebody, drunk or otherwise, hits and injures another person in the lot the owner will be sued.
Well then its a good thing when they go to a lions Tigers or Redwings game they do not serve alcohol at these events and good thing the fans aren't going to bars like the park bar before and after the games or celebrating before or after the games and doing things like tailgating. The city is full of bars surrounded by private parking lots look at Greektown and BricktownQuote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
Years ago when Mike Ilitch came up with the grand plans for fox theater district with the theaters ball park and entertainment district his main threat/competition was the warehouse/river-town district that conveniently went away then Foxtown was the happening area and for Mike Ilitch it was ME ME ME and screw everyone else trying to do business.
Ilitch or any other owner of private property has the right to do with his property as he sees fit. Why should Ilitch expose himself to the liability connected to the use of his lots on non-game days, when the lots won't generate much revenue, just so some bar customers with an inflated sense of entitlement don't have to walk too far to drink?Quote:
Originally Posted by ddaydetroit
And the reason that the Rivertown district went away is because the City of Detroit in its infinite stupidity decided to force out the businesses that were located there in order to build the three casinos in that area. I had property in the area at that time. I am intimately familiar with what went on then and it had absolutely nothing to do with Ilitch.
You would think that a billionaire that seems to have an "inflated sense of entitlement" to tear down buildings [[with public money) such as the Madison-Lenox farther away [[for paid parking), as well as public money for tearing down buildings in this area near the Bucharest [[such as the Vermont Hotel)... would have some decency in allowing people who chipped in to pay for his "entitlement" to demolish for parking... and give them some slack and let them park there even if they have to pay!
It sounds to me like Ilitch is trying to kill the Park Ave. district... even though he claims to want to have a huge development district from the Arena down to Bagley Ave... a 45 block stretch. Ilitch seems to be better at killing the growth of an entertainment district... than trying to promote it. And since he already got his 2nd helping of feeding at the public trough [[his first helping was Comerica Park and the land around it that he cleared of any buildings)... and now history repeats itself. I'm already doubtful he will ever come thru on anything more than just the Arena.... his deeds speak louder than his promises.
While I do think that he should have used his own money to tear down those buildings, nevertheless, it was the city that gave him the money. It was their choice to do so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
The fact remains that if he does not want to open his private property [[the parking lots) on non-game days and assume the risks that go along with doing so it is his prerogative.
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Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
"Detroit's DDA, via its property tax capture ability, will pay back $250 million of the bonds."
http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article...re-are-answers
According to Sy, any critique of private business or of the self-made man is hatred and jealousy of successful people. You're all just a bunch of entitled jealous socialists!
I have no problem at all with a landlord not renewing a lease for whatever reason they wish, but Jerry's load of crap about parking makes no sense at all. Nothing has changed with the parking since those two businesses have opened except for the rise in fines for metered parking. The lots have been the same way for years. The Bucharest owner doesn't seem too concerned with it:
FOX 2 spoke with the owner Bogdan Tarasov by phone who says quote "We're not leaving by choice." He said he loves the area and the location.
So, they're so successful that there's a lack of parking and now they have to move, but they don't really want to? If parking's the reason they're moving and Tarasov says so then fine. But that's not what he's saying thus far. I think Jerry's been successful in deflecting criticism with rants about "big-time developers" and "owners of downtown parking lots" which tends to get people around here all fired up.
Is this not a big win for Rivertown? More jobs the owner says. A majority of us have been hoping that the resurgence would start to spread to nearby areas and now that it is happening in this case a proven formula moving into a space that has had failed restaurants before, some are still complaining. Restaurants close, open or move often. All that really matters is there are more coming than going and that answer is obvious in Detroit.
True, although in a downtown, the only spaces that make sense may be part of a much larger building.Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
Makes sense to me. On the other hand, I remember when that 7-11 opened on East Jefferson a couple years ago, everybody was so happy they practically had an orgasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by 401don
That's a very odd perspective. In the centers of large cities most businesses, even businesses that have been in operation for several decades, are leasing from owners of larger buildings. Mostly because their traffic is dependent upon the office tenants of the same building or other nearby buildings or entertainment venues. Even in Detroit, very few downtown businesses own their own premises. Hell, even in the suburbs most businesses find it a better business model to lease space in shopping centers, malls, or suburban town centers.Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
Landlords certainly do have the right to not renew leases. However, not renewing the lease of profit-making, traffic-generating, consistently rent-paying, loyal tenants is the kind of thing that often bites greed-addled landlords in the ass, and hurts cities by leaving vacant spaces [[asking unrealistic rents) where going businesses once were.
I finally had a taste of why tenants get pissed. Today I toured around with a friend at a few loft buildings that are on the edges of greater downtown. Several of them were only offering month-to-month leases.
I asked each of the managers, "Is there anything protecting the tenant from a change in the rent in 30 days?" Here were the responses:
[[1) "We've been managing this building for 3 years and we haven't increased the rent." [[but, of course, there's nothing stopping them from doing so)
[[2) "You don't want a long-term lease because this way allows you the flexibility to move with only 30-days notice". [[It also allows you the flexibility to increase the rent with 30-days notice).
[[3) "Our owner is committed to keep the rents the same for any good tenant that stays." [[Great, then put it in writing. And, by the way, if the owner sells, does anything prevent the new owner from raising rents?"
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I think tenants are generally uninformed. I think [[some) landlords don't necessarily go out of their way to inform them. And I think some people refuse to become informed. In the long term, relationships and trust work when all parties make an agreement with full understanding of the consequences.
A lease is a two-way partnership contract with an expiration date. At the end of that contract, either party can exit the partnership for any reason or even for no reason.
Owning a building downtown is pretty unreasonable for most businesses, though, that is the surest way of being protected from "eviction" [[though, I still protest the usage of that word). But it's also unnecessary. Working with a good attorney, you can write a lease that protects your interests as a tenant [[and as a landlord).
I manage a business that rents from a commercial building owner. We've been their anchor tenant for 15 years. Our lease length is five years with options to renew in 5-year increments. Our lease comes up in 3 years, and we are already starting to work on Plan B or negotiating an extension.
There are no oral agreements in real estate. Get it in writing. Hire an attorney. Otherwise you can presume anything promised orally is something that is subject to change.
Will be interesting to see how Park Bar responds.
I popped in over the weekend and was met with a very disgruntled pregnant bartender and another bartender who mentioned the plan was for Park Bar to take over the kitchen and sell authentic Hawaiian dishes.
meanwhile, the Piquette location recently opened. Countdown to the Chene/Jefferson location grand opening. Yum.
Nobody was forced. Sounds like lease expired. That's not forced. That's what leases do.
I think I'll stop by the Piquette location TODAY!
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Think I'll stop @ SuperGreenland on the way home.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
"Just business", they both say.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/lif...roit/78282562/
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Originally Posted by 401don
And isn't a news story a week later. The controversy over this over this shows just far we have to go.
Update! I went to the new Bucharest on Piquette yesterday evening after calling in my order! The place was on jam! Parking lot was great -- no worries about a parking ticket.
I hit the jackpot of sorts as someone had not picked up a big order of shawarmas and I was offered one for free in addition to my existing order!! YUMMY leftovers for today. The garlic paste was devine. Fatoosh salad very good.
I'm going there today for those grand produce deals that never quit!
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Is mayonnaise incorporated into the garlic paste? That's a dealbreaker for me as I have a bad allergy to eggs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
^^^ Could be, but mostly yogurt @ the B! I prefer the more yogurt based for the consistency. Otherwise it's like salad dressing. And some folks make it that way.
Can't wait for them to move into the Un-Lucky Bar location. [[like I don't have enough Middle-Eastern choices)
Sure beats Eastern Mark-Up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Uh-yeah. Bucharest does not have Tabouleh as you can find elsewhere, but then their Fatoosh salad was just ok, IMO, so maybe salads will not be their flagship item!
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
You really know how to mess up a guy's Sunday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
While picking up dinner at the Corktown location last night I was told that Bucharest will again have a downtown presence, but I could not coax a location out of the person. This would be great news for the downtown lunch scene!
^^^ The Jefferson near Chene location is not too far from downtown.
But it's not convenient for any downtown worker unless they're already leaving to do errands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
Last time I went to this location, it was filthy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
They've got a Westside location on Livernois between 7 and 8 Mile correct?
Yes this is correctQuote:
Originally Posted by Cincinnati_Kid
I never cared for Bucharest. It's a low end restaurant that probably allowed by the city to open all over the place with the exception of Gilbertown. The young ladies there are being exploited by wearing wording across the behinds as part of their uniforms. I would rather eat at Elias Brothers or Hygrade. What is really needed in Detroit is a Cheesecake Factory
Really? Not an Applebee's or Chili's?Quote:
Originally Posted by stasu1213
Low end? You must've had a bad experience and never went back. And saying Hygrade is worse than Bucharest is even worse. And no, Detroit doesn't need a Cheesecake Factory. Let's ask for more local restaurants like Bucharest, even if you may not like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stasu1213
436 W. Columbia is owned by the same LLC as the Northend location and just applied for a license to open a restaurant there. Not a very prime downtown location.Quote:
Originally Posted by DetroitSoldier
Oh. I've not been lately. Let them know or bad yelp reviews will soon enough for sure! Hah.
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Originally Posted by Maof
This is a great downtown location across the street from Bookies and near the stadiums. Not very far from the original location. They were trying to open before Tigers home opener but it didn't work out. Should be open soon though.
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Originally Posted by no_small_plans