A little Friday afternoon amusement...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtbF6ybH4oU
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A little Friday afternoon amusement...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtbF6ybH4oU
I'm not sure whether they are poking fun at us or endorsing us...
Same thing will happen Detroit like everywhere else,neglected becomes cool then expensive and then toney.
That's exactly what Detroit needs, more unskilled, unemployed, starving artists.
Yeah, no thanks. That made me cringe.
It's called taking out the trash!
Definitely mocking...Quote:
Originally Posted by 1953
Detroit doesn't need any more cold-hearted, status quo hipsters edified mainly by their stoicism [[yet, they endorse art that whines about how the world is stepping on their hearts), cliquishness, and self-absorbed equanimity. That's why I like it when the "Southern" and Mid-west aspects kick in for us all-to be an option to any of that I experienced living out East. I do like when snarky satire from Spy magazine used to keep all of that in check.
Now, that's what we really need: someone or some institution with a developed sense of satire or healthy sense of skepticism to keep us aware and on our toes. Too bad Fifth Estate isn't as potent as it was, and Orbit isn't around anymore.
What exactly is a hipster?
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Originally Posted by AGinthe313
This is actually for real and I promote it. Who cares if hipsters come here? Do they bother you? Are they shoving their viewpoints down your throats? I welcome all who want to come here and keep making Detroit a better place to live. This is great promotion for a city trying to make a comeback. Why shun away people who actually want to make a difference?
Yeah, Hah! So often the narrative is that as a designer/ artist you need to leave the D, make it big elsewhere then maybe COME BACK!
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster..._subculture%29
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster
In a Huffington Post article entitled "Who's a Hipster?", Julia Plevin argues that the "definition of 'hipster' remains opaque to anyone outside this self-proclaiming, highly-selective circle."[14] In Rob Horning's April 2009 article "The Death of the Hipster" in PopMatters, he states that the hipster might be the "embodiment of postmodernism as a spent force, revealing what happens when pastiche and irony exhaust themselves as aesthetics." In a New York Times editorial, Mark Greif states that the much-cited difficulty in analyzing the term stems from the fact that any attempt to do so provokes universal anxiety, since it "calls everyone's bluff".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julia-..._b_117383.html
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Originally Posted by FormerEastsider
There was something off about it for sure. The D doesn't need a mercy endorsement any more than a mercy anything else.
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Originally Posted by iheartthed
And what kind of "difference" are unemployed arteests going to make? Besides increasing the volume of spray paint sales and vandalizing storefronts and highway signs? Is Detroit so barren of sold out art recruitment is needed?Quote:
Originally Posted by warsaw7
Like so many other former Detroiters that made it big.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
You took the words right out of my mouth, Honky Tonk. It is way past tiresome and becoming nauseating hearing all of these young kids who think that they're "doing something' or "making the city better" with their presence. If you want to do something to make the city better go out and pick up trash from the streets, remove some of the voluminous God-awful graffiti [[or "street art" as the hipsters call it) that is a cancer in the city, clean up and mow the grass in a neighborhood park. Then they can claim that they "made a difference".Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Growing an ironic beard", hanging out in the latest uber-trendy bar and eating "artisan" food while sipping "craft cocktails" does not a difference make.
Only difference these damn starvin' arteests gonna make is if they're hungry enough, they end up doin' the dishes at Slow's to pay for their meals. There.
Hah. I tend to hate any food that is considered 'partisan', I think. Maybe I've like some and did not know what I was consuming!
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Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
I think you meant "organic", not "artisan". You know, avoiding all those chemical laced foods your generation has bestowed on us. Who do think is supporting Whole Foods? I'm guessing Sy has never stepped foot in the store...Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
I know very well what I meant. I do not need you to correct my words, thank you. But you are correct in that I likely will not set foot in that store. There are many grocery stores in my city selling quality food. I do not live in a food desert. Why should I drive all the way down into the inner city when I can buy quality fresh groceries a mile from my home? Nice try though. Shalom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbest
I don't think you even know what artisan means old man... Nice try though....Do you not enjoy a homemade loaf of sourdough? Or have you ever tried a homemade pumpernickel? You can make one at home! Skip the Wonder bread at the store gramps. It's probably not a good idea to use terms or words that you dont know the meaning of. Nice try on the blast of "hipsters" though..hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
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Originally Posted by Dbest
Gramps?? Old man?? I am only 49 years old and my children are in their 20s and they have far better manners than you. Your disrespectful immature rant speaks for itself. I will leave it at that. Shalom.
High paying jobs like that are reserved for those with Fine Arts degrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
You think you get to be condescending and not take any flack? Then to top it off, you use terms that you don't know the meaning of?Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
If "hipsters" exist then you would be the ultimate "un-hipster" i think. You are a kibitser ... You know Yiddish right?
Peace be upon you, young man. You have much to learn. I will pray for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbest
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Yes, only problem with that assesment HT, is that some of those with or without a Fine Arts degree have sold single pieces that rake in more than you will make in a coupla lifetimes...
Some of my best friends are artists; myself included. Howdy to Lowell, who is one too!!!! lol.
Please don't, I don't want to be associated with you even in prayer. You pull this same routine every time SyTrolln. Shoot your mouth off with the Detroit diatribe and then comes the religious nonsense. I may have a lot to learn but I have plenty of time, whats your excuse for the ignorance?Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
You may have plenty of time, and if you do, please use it to learn. As I said earlier, I am done with you. My dear wife, just now asks me, as she looks over my shoulder, "why are you debating that idiot kid?" She has a masters degree in psychology, she knows. I am done with you. I wish you peace and prosperity. I will pray for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbest
Ouch.... don't be so mean HT!
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Your wife knows what? How to pick a loser of a spouse? I like how you have resorted to touting the credentials of your wife, keep grasping for straws pal. What has your wife diagnosed you? Tell her I have a few ideas....Say high to the kids too! What a joke..Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
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Originally Posted by Dbest
You can sleep tight tonight Dbest, Sy just said a little prayer for you that comes from the heart. lol
I didn't really have a choice in the matter! LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Good night, kid. I wish you peace and knowledge. I fear you will not attain the latter. Anyway, you're not worth my time. Shallom and Mazeltov. Buh bye. You may now have the last word. Savor it, for it will be a non victory. .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dbest
Yes, and for every one that sold, there are a million more pan-handling on corners, and washing dishes @ Slows.Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Back to the video I find it interesting how the one woman at 0:43 or so says you can live almost for 'free' in the D!
I wonder if she is factoring in our high car insurance rates!??
Artists don't drive cars, they take the Blight Rail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
There are also however some of us out here who have BFA's in the commercial and or industrial arts and advertising who have seen some hard times too! Then there are some doing quite well. It depends. For sure, you must be adaptable to thrive in the D. And in NYC for that matter!
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Thank you for the introduction Sy,Quote:
Originally Posted by SyGolden48236
In closing i would just like to say thank you Sy, thanks for keeping me abreast on all the negativity in the region. I don't have to read the news outlets because you will regurgitate it for them. Thanks also for keeping me informed on the surburban grocery scene or how your burb is humming compared to the "inner city". Its been real enlightening over your first 200 posts. I'd also like to thank some other people, "stand up Bham and Windsordave" you guys have been great too.
I do have a few question for you Sy,
Does different scare you?
Is one of your children "different" and you have a hard time accepting it?
Maybe this board is your medium for letting it all out, showing how you really feel?
Go ask your wife if I'm correct and report back promptly gramps...
I am an artist and have car. Used older models, but decent. I try to keep four wheels easy access. But per the New York culture 'public' transpo is king... ours would be a grave disappointment.
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Are you a folk artist?
I noticed in the video that there's a reference to beards. I guess that is the new thing. Course one should check to see if that is working for them.
No, I am not a folk artist. My formal training, experience and skill is graphic design, and advertising but I will always be an artist 'first' if that makes sense....
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
The really hungry ones sell their bodies to automotive engineers and lonely Philippino nannies. They all sport mullets and dripdown earlobes with hockeypuck inserts. They sketch tattoo deathheads which they then blow up the size of a wall over which other hungry perverts graffitti. They are always high on something and shit in Corktown backyards and jump on car hoods when sober. They don't know money from sweat, and beg on streetcorners for money but don't know it. They have talent but can't use a buzzsaw. They don't care for your small talk but they enjoy laughing at your car model. They pick out your diseased mania for doing things the proper way while you prune your hedges... And I could go on and on...
They are useless, and the next time you turn on the TV or the radio or see some artwork out of the blue, turn you lovely head, shut your ears not to see or hear what the damned artists have made. Way to go. Literally.
So, If I say to you "Forget about your client tomorrow morning, let's go to Belle Isle and paint seagulls instead" would you go, or meet your client?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
^^^ That's more about schedules and obligations that could be related to any field. But yes, I would meet my client then meet you guys! I actually do some painting! But I guess I am just a 'commercial' artist curmudgeon *sigh*. I have a sketch pad and even have a kneaded eraser, so I guess that means I'm still a bit of a fine artist. LOL!
But often from my observation and experience all artists sometimes have to fight for recognition and compensation to some extent!
MORE TO THE POINT: Do all fine artists have a penchant for ditching prior engagements and not respecting other peoples time??
My point is this, you've come to the realization, that even though you love your art, just as Lowell loves his, Canuck loves his, and I love mine, the hooptie needs gas, and it's nice to have running water and lights. Be the artist, be the writer, be the musician, but until you get to the point that you can sell your wares for more than I'll ever see in my lifetime, don't be a burden on society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zacha341
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Yes, it's a good enough point. I bet you could say the same of your crewcut sober jock of an auto motive engineer who is a burden on family because he is a total asshole. You can say the same of your drunken wifebeating cop, the same with the casino-wedded M.D...
Why does the term artist equate with loser and sponger, and vandal?
I hear that. I have been more than formidable about being paid [[when I take independent work) and choosing my jobs carefully. Some folks no matter what they're doing have a low work ethic [[rather working for themselves or someone else period), which is another subject.
Thankfully, I don't have a hooptie, but insurance rate issue makes driving a newer car, well just not worth it to me. I'd rather spend my money elsewhere, yet I don't have time to still 'pay' AND wait on public transpo. I'll just pay at the gas pump.
Colleagues in the field, myself, rich? Most not, successful, relatively yes. There have been waves in the economy that hurt many Detroiter's. Should have headed off to NYC sooner!
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Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
You forgot temperamental .......Quote:
Originally Posted by canuck
Yes. Precisely. I hear that! How many times have I had to deflect the persisting stereotype of the so-called 'artist'. How we should look, think, talk, vote, live, what car you should drive or, why do you drive, et al.
Some people who'd have no problem paying for meals at a restaurant, or for services and monthly bills feel that you [[the artist, designer) need NOT be paid, or paid much, or even respected for the work THEY requested.
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Originally Posted by canuck
Eeeps. This all got rather heated and ugly from many channels at once. First off, if there's any name calling to do, please let's keep it directed at a general group [[ie. "The Hipsters that Ate Detroit") and not at anyone personally. Also, I think there is a confusion between fine [[commercial, etc.) artists and "con artists". I don't know many "artists" who panhandle [[need I drudge up my experience in the lower classes to explain where I get that observation from). I am seeing more "oogle punks" [[the dirty rail-riding kids who lived drugged-up, unbathed, nihilist lifestyles walking mean dogs on leashes and patching their clothes with dental floss after tearing them up hopping trains and carrying heavy rail spikes on them) around the area, and that was a more of common sight in Madison or Boston. Those folks have no political platform, take and never give, and are generally looked down upon by the wider punk and activist populace at large.
I just had an interesting discussion with a former Cass Corridor resident/friend at the Majestic on New Year's night [[as she was visiting from out of town), and she pretty much spelled all I've felt for a while: about how revitalization has stepped aside for gentrification, and now, things are overcome by a throng of overpriced, trendy businesses and restaurants and a collection of affectatious, conformist status quo who have a complete disregard to the original and enduring residents of the area [[poor and as unattractive as they may seem to said status quo). They forget the struggling poor that many of us "freaks" in the Cass Corridor had no problem rubbing elbows with and living along side, back in the day.
So, they quietly implement actions that push, detain, and shut-out those "unwanted" types [[remember, the worst forms of genocide are done with a pen or a keystroke not with a gun). They would have no trouble turning any area into another gated "Sundance" community claiming to be liberal [[but has no problem hiring ex-marine hard-ons and cops to patrol their gates like it was some well-monitored Disneyland, while also making concessions, stock investment, and wheelings & dealings with major industries and corporations normally aligned with conservative interests-be they oil, be they military, etc.-in the background of high buildings that allow their operations to flourish in their little bubble).
I always hated being around religious folks who ignored direct prescriptives about "seeking peace and justice" and aiding the poor or defending the rights of the workers, while chasing after loud, hobbie-horse causes [[that have no direct prescriptive) like anti-abortionism [[as much as I don't care for abortion) that will never have a true resolve. It just makes one look pious, build up support, power, and funds, yet, no one involved would like to see a quick resolve to the matter if the processes involved are best serving them. I mean this to serve as a model analogy to draw towards...
Likewise, I always hated being around self-procalimed "activists" who pedastal themselves with rights for arts, marijuana-smoking, or other forms of hedonism for the affluent [[with their creative signs and effigies and slogans and stickers), while not seeing the priorities that need to be directed at helping the poor, ending war, quelling genocide, preserving worker's rights, defending our rights as citizens free from corporate encroachment [[pollution, etc.), police brutality, or government intrusion into our privacy or freedoms, and so on. So, how is the creative "hipster" benefiting us?
Now, I'm talking about "hep", attractive types who muster the admiration of others with their TEDX talks [[remember, the folks who say we shouldn't question Monsanto?) and amass big bike rallies and look like Adonises that are benefiting the city, when no one would ever suspect that they're the type of D-bags to ditch girls they humiliated in a relationship or shoot off guns in the Detroit night air every New Years Eve [[yeah, I have a few personalities in mind). They are technocratic, materialist jerks who set harsh standards for who is "in" and who is "out" [[and enforce these with the bullying manner of their aggressive cyber networking). All the while, they turn a blind eye to the very ugly elements [[cocaine, date rape drugs, human trafficking, etc) destroying Detroit that come from other equally "hep" personalities in society's underbelly [[be they in nightclubs, afterhours, or where ever) that they are "thick as thieves" with.
In short, art is nice, but it doesn't feed the masses. The real effective work never gets done. It's a constant maintaining. And yes, it is rolling up one's sleeves mowing and cleaning up desolate lots or feeding the very angry folks who may not like that they have to come to you for help. It's thankless, unpopular, unattractive work that doesn't earn one media coverage or an over-sized check. For a long and silent time, I've seen far too many of the wrong personalities getting prominence and admiration in Detroit, when I know far too much about their ugly backgrounds [[and have remained silent). We, in Detroit, do not need anymore like that, no matter how much they are movers and shakers.
Um-yeah, "hipsters". Chances are you are an defensive apologist for them or living a cushy non-Wayne County resident lifestyle if you doubt such a sad conformist stereotype [[not guided by race, creed, or religion, mind you) exists unchecked and deserves to be taken down a notch. It's a "creeping meatball" [[to crib a line from Jean Shepherd-one of the few guys from the "beat" scene I respect) of homogenous gizmo-gawkers in pea-coats I saw in Boston, and I feel a lot like Iktomi trying to warn folks it's coming this way.
Who are you to judge to begin with? Most "hipsters" as you like to refer to them do not partake in graffiti or street art. Before you over generalize I think you should you research the typical make-up of a graffiti artist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
And while we are on the subject, who cares who is coming to the bars and restaurants. Would you rather not see anyone coming to the bars/restaurants, etc? At the end of the day a dollar is a dollar. You are clearly no better than the folks in Indiana, I welcome outsiders into the city, especially those who are at least attempting to try to make Detroit fun and interesting.
Easy Tiger! The video is amusing because of people they interviewed and their comments. Don't read into my post and suggest that you know what I'm thinking or feeling [[other than amused).Quote:
Originally Posted by warsaw7
Yeah because you nailed it, that was my rationale for responding. And please don't tell me what to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by AGinthe313