I readed the news regarding EEV is luanching the foreclosure properties start from few days ago and I m wondering how safe is in there.
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I readed the news regarding EEV is luanching the foreclosure properties start from few days ago and I m wondering how safe is in there.
It's East English Village. I live here. It isn't as safe as most suburbs but is far safer than most of the city. Think living in a neighborhood in a normal urban area, as oppose to Detroit.
You're from Hong Kong. Are you an investor? May I say, we have enough "investors" in this neighborhood already. If you are planning on being an owner-occupant, I welcome you with open arms. If you are simply curious, I welcome your questions as well. If you are an investor - that is, seeking to purchase and rent out residential properties from a different continent - I will oppose your efforts.
I grew up in EEV, when my mom who owned there, started to fail we lived in her home for 7 years as caretakers. Great place, great neighborhood for HOMEOWNERS.
My sister lives there, my niece lives there, our youngest son lives there. All homeowners. Please do not speculate in a very sweet neighborhood.
I don't know what the defining edges of EEV are, but the area near Moross seems to have got worse. Apparently this area is called Cornerstone Village? Either way, I've noticed a lot more vacant and burnt out houses in this area and heading towards Kelly in the last couple of years. Really nice bungalows and cape-cod style homes in this area too. As far as crime, it could be a lot safer than it currently is, but it's not anywhere near as bad as other parts of the city. However, I really hope that the negativity doesn't creep into EEV. It's definitely a nice area.
Let's see, EEV Prep on Cadieux recently had a murder in it's parking lot.
Pft, cross Cadieux and you're in EEV.
Get facts right, not cornerstone its called four corners. It abuts to four other communities.
The people who live there seem to think it's Cornerstone Village
https://www.facebook.com/cornerstonevillagedetroit
http://cornerstonevillage.wordpress.com/
http://detroitone.org/organizations/...php?org_id=632
ok I'll stand corrected. I remember when we were NEAR, DEAR ,ONE, Neighbors United Etc. If they changed their name again no skin off my knees.
As mentioned I have many family members still there. I find it safe. It is a great community. It has nice houses and a great area. We do not live there anymore so I have no particular stakeholder position, it's just a nice place to live.
Look what happen to Steve Utash!
Look what happen to East English Village Prepatory Academy where there was a gang shooting, yes a gang shooting!
My cousin brought a two family flat on E. Outer Drive near Alter Rd. in 1990 in East English Village. At the time are neighborhood was nice and well kept up and 90% white all the way to Mack and Moross Rd. Now the area has some abandon buildings and crackheads, gangs and welfare and food stamp eaters ran amok in that area. The neighborhood looks nice and filled with trees from the main roads. But drive or walk deeper into those blocks. There are folks looking for trouble.
At the risk of looking stupid, which sometimes I do not mind. Outer Dr near Alter is Morning-side not EEV.
Kind of of think there are folks looking for trouble almost anywhere. I am saddened of course.
And it used to be Finney, which has always been a violent shithole in recent memory.
Disband DPS and execute all the administrators via firing squad and I think you've solved a lot of Detroit's problems right there.
DPS schools are like Mars to me. I don't go there, I don't have kids to go there, and when I do, they won't. The side streets of EEV are nice and quiet for the most part.
So what's the trend? Pertaining to safety.
I know it's hard for some here but please...Don't sugar coat it. :)
I got 1 more question is which streets I have to care not to go in EEV?
All of EEV is just fine. I like the area bounded by Cadieux, Warren, Mack and Outer drive best. Just saying. It is a great community over all.
Finney was not a shit hole when I was there. At that time it was a Jr and Senior High. It was seriously integrated, but no major worries. Just a nice school and place to be. I am sure the new academy is fine, remember shit does happen anywhere.
I liked and still do EEV. Just great people!
One interesting thing I've noticed in EEV is that people who are out for a walk tend to carry sticks or golf clubs when they walk. My guess is that this is to ward off strays but maybe it's to ward off people. Just wondering what's up with this.
Sticks, canes, clubs, bats are not enough to get so much notice that LEO are called.
But I bet the concealed stuff is back up. It's the concealed stuff that will get you in legal trouble and out of life ending trouble.
Curious that in Michigan, open carry is legal.
Oh, Dogs too...
Less than two weeks ago, two people were found shot to death in their apartment, which is located within that area. [source]
It seems like a ton of people are confusing Morningside, East English Village and Cornerstone Village. It can be pretty confusing for someone not from that part of Detroit. EEV is bounded by Cadieux, Harper, Mack and Outer. Morningside is bounded by Outer, Harper, Mack and Alter. Cornerstone Village is bounded by Harper, Moross, Mack, and Cadieux. There really are major differences between these communities, even if the housing styles aren't so different. I grew up in Morningside from my birth in 1945 to 1961 when I was a sophomore in high school. We moved to Harper Woods then. My parents moved into my grandparents house when they died in 1979 and then I moved into that house when my parents died in 1991. I lived in Morningside on Devonshire from 1991-1994. That was a rough time for the neighborhood. I remember it getting worse from year to year. I think EEV is great, though. If you are a property speculator, please move on! This neighborhood is one of my favorite things in Detroit, and it would be a great loss if it got ruined.
Based on what happened to Morningside, the trajectory certainly isn't great for EEV.
Part of EEV's saving grace I think, thus far, has been its proximity to Grosse Pointe and how relatively valuable the architecture of the housing is. Despite Detroit's challenges, the residents of EEV are reluctant to give us on their homes they've invested a ton of money in, and the blow of residing in a Detroit zip code is softened by the fact that they're adjacent to what are still extremely wealthy and prestigious suburbs.
That said, unless the city of Detroit can provide enough evidence to the residents of EEV that it will make a strong enough effort to improve public lighting [[for example, I hear the Detroit side of Mack Avenue is pitch black at night), reduce petty crimes such as burglarly or property theft, and ensure that landlords maintain their properties in accordance with blight ordinances, I think EEV will soon go the way of Morningside and Regent Park/Mohican-Regent.
Once the homeowners lose faith in the neighborhood, renters who have no financial nor emotional stake in the neighborhood then move in. That's usually when it reaches the point of no-return, especially in a region that's shrinking and not creating high-paying jobs that would attract homeowners.
The thing is, these mass killings typically occur in places where the students are well-off [[such as the wealthy suburb of Colombine, CO). The students are so well taken care of, that they typically have the spare time and energy to meditate on and plan these mass killings you hear about [[and it's typically over stupid shit, such as the kids teased me because of my funny-looking glasses).
In a place like Detroit, the students are so busy simply trying not to get killed by the crazies in the streets or survive the abuse and neglect households they're raised in that committing mass killings of their classmates is the last thing on their minds.
Strange, do you live in Detroit? I know personally all our area children, their parents too. Many of our babies struggle but I have faith in them. We invest in them, My community invests in them. Our churches invest in them. Fun bashing Detroit, no doubt, but we have some of the best and brightest. We all make sure they get to/and come home safe from school. No guarantees to life but our kids are loved by a whole Village.
OOPs forgot, this is Detroit, those evil people!
EEV is a great community, I live in a great community.
So you are an investor, a speculator, from Red China, no less. Kindly go fuck yourself. Why don't you just go take a whiff of that delicious Beijing air until you cough up blood instead of speculating on the neighborhood and country that I call home? Try to speculate here and I'll ruin you.
Anyway, filth aside, 313 is right, somewhat. Property values have actually gone up in the past 2 years - I can now get nearly double what I paid for my house - WHICH I LIVE IN - but if investors like whoever that illiterate commie was prevail, this neighborhood is gone. Luckily, the trend has been to owner-occupants, and we aim to keep it that way.
Detroit PROPER as a whole is one hundred times more dangerous than Pleasanton, California [[based on www.crimemapping.com). A house left unoccupied will have squatters and scrappers dropping in and causing
massive damage within three months. This will be distressing to the outside
investor as well as the owner-occupants next door.
I would recommend to outside investors, if they wish to purchase a single house but leave it unoccupied in the Detroit area, to select a house in a lower crime area such as a suburb. I would suggest Farmington Hills. It will cost more but your chances of recouping your investment are so much better.
Owner-occupants are generally very welcome and needed in Detroit. You will want to check out your immediate neighbors by your prospective house. If you are a newbie pass up any house next door to drug dealers. Most houses
are next door to very nice people. Ask a few prospective neighbors with
nice houses and yards and they will be glad to give you suggestions and
describe any problems you might encounter [[with city services, crime, etc.).
One thing not mentioned is that EEV has a very strong community group with outstanding leadership.
Rationally speaking, without the pom-pom waving or fear mongering, on a scale of 1-100, 100 being warm and fuzzy, I'd give it 60-70. ANYplace you buy in Detroit, except for maybe Midtown or Downtown, where you'll pay through the nose for not-so-much, it'll take a consolidated effort on the part of the purchaser, and certain precautions, to live here. Lighting, an alarm, [[to alert your neighbors because DPD won't show up) locks, perhaps a weapon, and a general "awareness" of your surroundings. As far as shopping and retaurants, you're going to need a car, or a bike. Most "Detroiters" from that area, go into Grosse Pointe to shop for groceries and dry goods. You'll also have to drive to bigger "chain" stores for purchases. I don't know where you currently live, but I always encourage potential buyers to make numerous trips into the area, to "gas up" @ the corner station, have breakfast @ a local eatery, maybe do some shopping, and get a "real feel" for what you're getting into. There are people that will welcome you with open arms, and others, who'll see you as an intruder and potential victim.
Toby:
It is a real dangerous area, there are 5 dope houses on my block and they sell dope right in front of one all day & night. There are abandoned houses on almost every block. Please stay in China or wherever you are.
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First, it is not Finney anymore. I could share many stories of what goes on in my city. Not naive! I don't feed trolls. I focus on what is good. So much is good.
This comes under the heading of learning something new every so often.
I can see why there are times when sumas is attacked here.
I find myself wanting to reply to some of the things sumas posts. But it feels like taking the bait. Clarification here; It's what I feel, not necessarily the intention of the writer.
I have made it a point to recognize the lure of the bait and not participate.
To take an analogy from the Wizard of OZ, I can see there are Good Trolls of the North as well as Wicked Trolls of the West.
But as an investor in real estate in detroit it's Caveat Emptor, do your Due Diligence and apply a discount to the view of those wearing rose colored blinders about Detroit.
I don't think sumas is a troll.
But like a few others here [[who I won't name), the permanence of their optimism can still sometimes come across as naivety [[even if it's not done intentionally) to some folks.
I can agree on your term of naivety. I find that I must refrain from responding to such extreme naivety or, [[love that phrase you put forth)
"the permanence of their optimism", in a paternalistic way.
It just becomes a bit disingenous when offered up as a disinterested factual description the OP is looking for. I for one would not want to base decisions of my personal and investment safety on such seemingly biased personal viewpoints.
Poobert, Got your reply.
First of all, remind your world.
You have to understand that the properties prices increased are not in my problems and all of those are original from the bankers making the troubles.
There have 1 way you could do is, order the US national bank stops the quantitative easing then you will get the properties for the wholes street by a dollar.
I have to ask you that when 8 years ago the inflation in Hong Kong is lower than US but now our properties prices are the highest in the world then should I ask every US tourist or resident in Hong Kong to go back to the states?
Even the Mainlander from China are coming to Hong Kong to pulled up the properties and for me I never blame them as like someone because I M A SURVIVOR.
Are you the only one is suffering? I have to tell you is, No- all the people even in the forum is in suffering, so do I.
Remember Socrates said Strong minds discuss idea, average mind discuss events, weak mind discuss person/ people.
Onces again, I say thank you for the surivior with strong mind but not to a loser, like you if you think you are.
Check the words I said, if you admit yourself is a loser in here keep using the dirties world then go for it, you just make dirty for this detroityes fourm and the people from Detroit to the world, and I just treat those dirty words as from a rubbish bin has opened the cover.
Sumas isn't a troll, she just doesn't like it when people contradict her and gets a little 'shirty" about it.
East English Village is well kept neighborhood in Detroit's East Side, but it lost a lot of diversity in the past 20 years. Yes there are some beautiful homes filled with tall trees and garden-like landscape, but looks can be deceiving. Please research about the demographics in that area before you move in. While grew up in Detroit [[which is 82 percent black) every hood in Detroit is a ghetto. I live in those hoods, I grew in those hoods, I go the school in those hoods, I shop in those hoods and even got robbed at gun point in those hoods. No neighborhoods is 100% safe. You're going have to depend on your own security before you can call police. Good luck buying or renting a home in Detroit. I hope you can stay longer and raise your kids there.
no FAITH IN DPS
Hey who called me a troll. I certainly have strong opinions but am open to contrary views.I love and invest in my city and no doubt I can be "shirty" but my husband still loves me after 42 yrs so I guess I am not so rotten. Oh forgot three dogs who adore me, two successful kids, neighborhood respect, sit on many area boards regarding Detroit and its advancement.
By the way, when I get "shirty" I always apologize. This is a big world and I do appreciate others opinions.
If you say so it must be true. Here is what I know. I am a Detroit resident. We/my husband and I have invested heavily in home improvements. Active in community, invest in area children, sending several to camp this summer. I can walk my neighborhood and I am greeted as Miss Su, I get hugs and kisses all the time. I know all my neighbors.
I am a realist, My house is lighted, armed and alarmed. My 3 dogs are pussy cats but would take you to pieces if you threatened me.
I get frustrated with city conditions. I share concerns on the board.
Yep, I am whatever you want to believe
^^^ HT, cut it out with these kind of comments. Do we need to go here? Sure, sometimes, we all joke and what not but to assume someone is on medication is a bit much. Cool it, please.
Regarding safety of the area, I think it is relative to what you're accustom to and the neighborhood you establish. I am not an east-sider and tend to feel more comfortable with the west side, mostly because I KNOW it well; know its better areas from the bad areas. I am aware of the buffer areas of the west side and where to go and not go. I am not so certain on the east side. So I'd not likely move there.
^^^ For certain. It can't be good to live near the incinerator.
^^^ My comment was in regards to her saying she uses an inhaler for asthma. Not her living near the incinerator.
I live in Islandview Village, a community I love. No one exactly knows why so Detroiters suffer asthma.
I know what Zacha means about familiarity. I am a life long eastsider. I know my way around, where to go and not go. I like the westside and frankly folks there have more fashion sense. I like southwest Detroit the best. My husband was westside, Junction near livernois, what used to be heavily Polish. Met in the middle at WSU. But I am shirty and we stayed eastside to be close to my family.
Shirty, I just love that made up word. Too fun, swearing without swearing. We dedicated 7 yrs of our lives to care for my mother who passed at age 91. But I am an evil bitch apparently. She lived in EEV. So I do have current knowledge of the community. I have written and published a hard covered book of history regarding the east side but I am told I make no sense. We do tours and lectures, always sold out, but this board has decreed I am an idiot. I got a creepy letter sent to my home where my crabby posts got culled and published on ........ so I am cyber stalked and they made sure I knew it. Now I am called bipolar. Wow!
EEV is a great place to live but don't believe me.
Shirty is not a made up word:
Quote:
English definition of “shirty”
shirty
annoyed or angry, especially in a rude way:Don't get shirty with me - this is your fault, not mine.adjective UK informal
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[[Definition of shirty adjective from the Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary & Thesaurus © Cambridge University Press)
Dont worry Sumas!
Your posts make sense to me. Your humanity but also your reason shows through. I can easily imagine how much of your daily worries and joys can jar some and how it can be a balancing act for you to judge the tough love aspects of Detroit. Keep on informing us and inspiring us. Honky Tonk is a great contributor, he also feels for the city and its plight; and he is more questioning than I am from afar I guess...
I think 6 posts out of 81 in this thread were actually about East English Village.
Yes but around 70 of the posts on this thread were Honky Tonk making fun of sumas' prescriptions or some bullshit.Let's be fair to HT, who appears to valiantly try to stay on topic. HT never talked about his kids, his sister his inhalers, his Mother, his alma mater, his charming neighbors - not once.
I did a little survey and count that HT posted 10 times on this thread. In contrast, Sumas posted 22 times.
Sometimes its just not worth it after derail-ers get on. Some people are always worried about "trolls," and they should be worried about whether they are making substantive contributions or just rattling on about their personal lives.
But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe discussion threads aren’t supposed to be about issues and topics.
Maybe the fact is she is close to the area, and cares about it more than many here helps to understand.
She is an older person as she often likes to remind us... for a reason.
I think talking about a neighborhood is a lot like talking about ourselves isnt it?
I also like that sumas isnt a 100% positive, but that she isnt submerged by the negative apsects of life in a tough nut like Detroit.
Sumas, I enjoy your posts.
Thank you I enjoy this forum. Maybe I will just start a thread on connections take pot shots at Sumas. Maybe then people will stay focused on threads.
I grew up in EEV, originally DEAR and saw how it evolved. I saw what went right and what went wrong. It is just plain and simple a nice community. Detroit is not for everyone as I have said many times. Where ever we have lived we find goodness and kindness. We stay involved. I am Detroit for better or worse. Guess I am being shirty again.
Sumas, I also enjoy reading your posts,, please dont quietly go away,,,
What I have noticed as a long time poster on this as well as a long time resident of the city of Detroit [[ 1992), is the decline of the type of dialogue and the vocabulary used by many on here anymore,, It seems many on here like to talk to each other on here with little or no respect and profanity abounding.. I mean, really,, as I mentioned before , do you really talk in person like that to people in ones life.. Just not used to it in my own life.. we talk and treat others with respect, even if we dont agree.. Conversations on here were much more civil years before,, but anymore, not so..oh well guess thats the direction many are taking anymore,, anyway, just stay who you are,, your fine.
Besides, what is the point of reading and writing about a neighborhood, a city, a street; if it doesnt contain anecdotal evidence. I dont mind this, I relish it in fact. I mean really, let's not mistake these threads for Rocket Surgery.
I think it's pretty simple. If personal safety and the safety of your family and home is of prime importance you probably shouldn't move to EEV or any neighborhood in Detroit except for Palmer Woods MAYBE.
If you want good city services and decent public schools for you property tax dollars you probably should buy elsewhere.
I like that sentiment. :) Buy in Detroit! Buy in east side neighborhoods like EEV! Good, neighborly homeowners wanted!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=y...&v=5IAEcrfn7J8
One thing I noticed in the video was how low the arches in two of the houses were where the guy and girl were standing underneath them.
Either they were both very tall or else the ceilings and doorways pretty low, which is it?
No house for a Piston that's for damn sure.
Cute little homes though.