You followed that reasoning to a fork in the road and turned where it said, "do not enter".
That said, I agree with the idea that employees should be aware of the environments and conditions of their employment.
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There is absolutely no contradiction, aside from the conservative nanny-state ideas that have been floating around lately. Take some personal responsibility. If you want a union job, you need to join the union. You can't have it both ways. If you don't want to join the union, don't apply for the job. We don't need Republicans taking away personal accountability.
I strolled thru a few pages of this steaming pile...usual posts are....well usual posts.
Watching the "union debate" for decades has left me with one certain conclusion.
Those who harangue unions the worst, usually have a few cases of sour grapes lying about, or the green eyed monster, if you will.
And that's all I got to say about that! [[in my best Gump imitation)
If this is a workers "freedom bill" why do Republicans hate Police and Fire so much?
Police and Fire are people, too. If this is such a good thing, shouldn't they share in the "wealth", too?
Although this looks like a money grab to the left, the truth is that most Republicans believe in freedom -- and that freedome will be better for all -- including the Unions.
But they also realize that the Democrats would pounce all over fire and police. I can hear the screaming about how we'll all be overrun by thieves as our house burns to the ground because the firefighters are in the soup kitchen instead of the firehouse.
One can believe in something, but give in to political reality. Look at Obama. I think he believes in single-payer healthcare. But he got in bed with the insurance companies to get a deal done.
If the Dems said they'd accept RTW and get to work reforming Unions for everyone -- not just seniority members -- I'm sure the Repubs would have no trouble adding police and fire.
Here's the problem with Republicans pushing this stuff through...
They're idiotic enough to believe this is an issue:
http://www.salon.com/2012/12/12/mean...law/singleton/
I really don't care about unions one way or the other. The two issues I've had are work rules keeping me from doing my job - no, you can't carry that piece of equipment into the building, that's a loader's job, and the loader is at lunch, so you'll have to wait. That seriously pisses me off.
The second is, the one time I worked at a union workplace, engineers with seniority who could barely operate a paperclip were getting paid twice as much as the newer hires, some of whom were near geniuses [[not me :) This led to a high attrition rate from the new hires. Basically the senior engineers would make the freshmen do all the work until they burned out and quit. Keep in mind the senior engineers weren't managers, they were *supposed* to do their own work - they just became adept at pawning it off on others. The junior engineers would complain to the union, and the union would do nothing - the senior engineers get preferential treatment. This is my experience with unions "protecting the worker." I know it isn't a universal experience, but that's what I've seen.
This pretty much nails it for me as well. I could give two shits about union or non-union as well. I've never had a union and hopefully never will.
When I worked at EDS we would get in trouble if anyone in the union saw us carrying anything that required more than two hands. Instead of changing this idiotic rule, we would have to come in after hours [[after working all day) to move servers, etc.
One can go on all day about the benefits that unions have given all workers, that part is great, but don't try denying that unions also protect a lot of lazy people. It's not a myth, that is a fact.
Yeah, I remember a HiLo driver who was drunk most of the time. Ran into stuff, caused damage, almost hurt people. Union wouldn't let the company fire the guy even though he was putting other union guys at risk of injury.
The Union cannot stop the company from taking action. If the driver was dangerous, and this was documented fact -- not just opinion -- they should have immediately removed him from ability to endanger others. The Union has no power to compel anything. It can get really difficult. But if there's real risk of injury, the Company can prevail. But its a very tough road. I know. I've been there. Union pressure is no excuse to endanger workers.
I call BS on this one. This is just like the "welfare mom" canard. Everyone claims to "know someone" or "worked with someone" or "heard about someone".......As others have noted here, this worker would be handled by the company, regardless of what the Union has to say.
The libertarian view on RTW is that it is an infringement on the freedom of the company to create whatever kind of contract it wants to, or sees fit to. Closed shop contracts only happen with the company's consent. The company should be free to choose this route if it "wants" to.
But the libertarian view goes much farther and would not grant unions any legal status at all. They would just be a free association of people who want to speak as one with the employer. The employer is not obligated to listen to them, but will if they think it is necessary to hire the workers they want. Unfortunately, U. S. law has gone way beyond this in granting unions special status and forcing employers to deal with them, collect their dues, etc. Now some governments like Michigan think the balance has gone too far, so they add another layer of regulation like RTW. But balancing earlier restrictions on freedom with new ones is not the way to enhance freedom and choice. A better way is to reduce the role of government in employer-employee contracts. But this is too much to ask of our two parties.
My source was watching these lazy assholes sitting in their maintenance office screwing around all day, never fixing our AC, never helping fix lights, etc. in out area.
One day I'm moving a PC from one cubible to another, and I havd to go talk to two of my supervisors because these same assholes wrote up a grievance to the union. Apparently they had time to do that.
This was at EDS in the basement of the old GM building in 1999, not that I need to cite anything.
Another example was when I worked a summer job at the Marathon plant cutting grass and the pipefitters, making a shitload more than I did, would hide in the grass dykes surrounding the large tanks sleeping all day. And yes, I saw them because I was cutting the damn grass. This was in the summer of 1989.
I have had a long work history, but hopefully that should suffice.
Again, I'm not saying that EVERY union worker is lazy, but if you belive that it's an urban myth that some of them are, and are protected by unions from being fired on the spot, you need to put the crack pipe down.
Edit.: And if you don't believe me, I'm not going to cry about it. It happened, I saw it. I have no reason to make shit up.
The anecdotal "I know somebody..." or "I saw somebody..." doesn't hold much water.
Yep, it never happens. You guys are fucking hilarious. Really.
All good.