Corona Virus Crisis News, Information, Advice & Help Thread

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Originally Posted by jcole

From what I gather, virii are smart and will mutate to a less deadly strain to allow themselves to spread more efficiently. If they kill the host they can't spread, so they "tone down" the fatalness of the strains so the host [[us) live to spread the disease.

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imagine that a deadly virus that has a will to live,hate to see what happens if it gets really pissed off.

Seems to me it was not that long ago when people made fun of those who said it will end up with symptoms like the common cold.

yet here we are ………

Its going to be a killjoy for some,can’t hardly take in 4 billion a year off of some wimpy little virus.

My guess it will come back strong after being modified and it origins will come out of Africa,it’s not like anybody is going to be rushing over there to check it out.

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Originally Posted by Richard

Its going to be a killjoy for some,can’t hardly take in 4 billion a year off of some wimpy little virus.

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A year? A quarter.

Sense our buddies north of us are included,here is a Canadian finance committee wanting to sign off on a 7 billion Covid relief fund.

10 witnesses from government agencies appear in order to show where the money was going to be spent,when the question was posed,where the money was going to come from,nobody could answer it.

Not picking on Canada because our politicians are no different.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PierrePoi...94502080237568

Not picking on Canada because our politicians are no different.

Sigh. Amen, Richard.

Yea like when they were questioning the head of the CDC

Is it true over 75% CDC workers are still working from home ?

I cannot answer that,I do not have that data.

When you look down the hallway from your office what percentage of the desks are empty ?

I do not have that data.

If teachers can go back to work,how come CDC employees that are vaccinated and with full PPE are not reporting back to the labs?

I do not have that data and we are following federal guidelines.

Only 70% of CDC employees are vaccinated

We are following the federal guidelines and trying to get everybody vaccinated.

You have evidence that shows those who have contracted the virus have a natural immunity for 9 months why is the shot required for employment if the person is naturally immune?

We are still studying that data and are following federal guidelines.

But the data already shows that immunity timeline,it has been studied.

We are studying that data and following federal guidelines.

Taking all that into account one has to wonder why the federal government is so keen on keeping pertinent information related to the virus from the public?

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Originally Posted by Richard

If teachers can go back to work,how come CDC employees that are vaccinated and with full PPE are not reporting back to the labs?

I do not have that data and we are following federal guidelines.

Only 70% of CDC employees are vaccinated

We are following the federal guidelines and trying to get everybody vaccinated.

Taking all that into account one has to wonder why the federal government is so keen on keeping pertinent information related to the virus from the public?

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...-live-updates/

The Washington Post had various recent reports putting the
likely compliance of CDC employees with President Biden's
executive branch vaccination mandate at somewhere between
90% and 95%. The 70% of CDC employees being vaccinated
was a true fact at some point earlier in the year.

According to the article in the Washington Post, White House
coordinator Jeff Zients will be putting out the vaccination
rates for Federal employees by department this week.
[Washington Post reporters naturally would get this in their
inboxes, DetroitYes posters will have to scrounge for it.]

No comment... except I've not heard of people get Covid a 2nd time...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/ho...gan/index.html

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Originally Posted by Gistok

No comment... except I've not heard of people get Covid a 2nd time...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/us/ho...gan/index.html

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They have been saying that ever sense this first started,it just switched from “those” people to the “un-vaccinated”.

You have not heard of people catching it twice because the time frame of the shots and when they first came available,the shots wear off and your risk becomes greater as each month goes by.

They have known that for some time now.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...infection.html

Just because you got a shot it does not mean your protected forever,more so you are more dependent on a regular shot because your body relies on the shot verses building its natural immunity.

They have been saying for awhile now,after 90 days the shots level of protection starts on its downward slide,not by large percentages and it seems like it varies as to who is reporting it,as low as 2% reduction per month and as high as 8%.

But they did say those who received the shot at the very beginning,are ready for another for maximum protection.

Speaking of the un-vaccinated and jumping across the water to parts of Australia that have used this to go full dictatorship.

They established Medi-hotels for the infected and un-vaccinated.

Test positive- shot or not - or un vaccinated - the police come to your door and “escort” to the quarentene medi - hotel where you will stay until until it is deemed that you can be released.

There are reports of sub par food being served and unsanitary conditions,like you store your trash bags in your quarters until it is collected a week later.

It appears to be a good way to also round up opposition.

South Australian Senator Alex Antic was taken into hotel quarantine under police escort in Adelaide on Thursday night. The senator who has been very vocal against vaccine mandates is now forced to quarantine for two weeks.
The bizarre incident comes after Prime Minister Scott Morrison insisted in an interview last Friday that the senator has received both doses of the COVID vaccine.

https://www.eutimes.net/2021/12/aust...-premeditated/

There are other reports of where he has not been vaccinated,but tested negative before being picked up.

And we are boycotting China for human rights issues,while doing the exact same thing in this country in some cities.

FEMA already built camps long ago,here is the senario.

Weather you have received the shot or not,you test positive while knowing full well the tests are not always accurate,because of that test,the police come to your house,pick you up while separating you from your family and place you in a camp until it is deemed safe for you to return home.

That time frame of determining of when it is safe? There is none.

Because you can test negative,go back home and then the next day test positive and be immediately returned back to the camp.

I know many in this country would also support and encourage the use of those methods,just keep in mind that you are also subject to the whims of a test that has been proven to show unreliable results and you would also be subjected to that ever so popular knock at the door come round up time.

Knowing this country,it would not be the police asking you to kindly step into the caged vehicle,it would be a full compliment of a team that is prepared for the worst,I doubt it will be local police or NG,the only way they would be able to do it is with homeland security swat teams.

What do people think is going to happen if they try and round up 100 million un vaccinated plus the vaccinated that may show a false positive,places like Australia is easy,they took their guns a long time ago.

Places like NYC get these bright ideas under the guise of public safety,without thinking of the ramifications,they do not have to though because they are in their protected little caçoons and as we have seen,exempt themselves of the requirements that they place on others.

OK... yes I got my booster shot. Check. I'll read the rest of you post when I have time tomorrow. I am exhausted by the discussion of Covid in general. I will continue to wear my mask when in public indoors, and get the recommended shots periodically.

~signed.... "Another brick in the wall" :eek:

^ you are just coming to the realization that I learned the hard way 40 plus years ago,try going into a village and tell people if they do not defend themselves they would all be dead by morning,men women and children,and they were.

Their destiny was already determined for them by outside forces,their religious beliefs taught them to do no harm to others,they believed in something so much,they would rather die then to break that belief.

Some people spend their entire lives under the realm of not allowing their destiny to be determined by outside forces as a matter of survival.

Simplist way of viewing it is with business,you cannot go into business if you allow others to control your destiny,as a rule.


Everybody’s mind is different,it is based on what one believes with determining factors,religion,past experience etc.,no matter what you do,you will not change that,even in the face of death.

People have endured months of extreme torture and harsh imprisonments because they would not give up a piece of information that would have ended it all,at best you can win hearts and minds,and that may work fit a small percentage,but you will never force thought on everybody.

Its not just in this country,it is being repeated in every country in the world.

You cannot change the world and you will fret yourself to death trying to,you are doing what you feel is best for you and taking the necessary steps that you deem are self preservation,that’s all you can really do.

Covid is Covid,if that is not front and center,something else will be,it always is,look at the bright side,we are steps away from a two front war with both China and Russia,with people already referencing nukes,if that happens Covid will be irrelevant.

Richard, I changed my mind... I just don't have time to read your responses. You just go off on one tangent after another... as many other forumers have told you... but you just keep posting away... Good Luck with that! :)

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Originally Posted by Gistok

Richard, I changed my mind... I just don't have time to read your responses. You just go off on one tangent after another... as many other forumers have told you... but you just keep posting away... Good Luck with that! :)

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Are you really expecting some kind of a reward for that post?

If you are not responding to content or debating that,nobody cares what you think about the post length or even that you choose to constantly complain about it,you are coming off as a crybaby.:rolleyes:

I get it you do not like my post lengths,they are not designed to appease you solely,as you and a couple others seem to think posters should adapt to you personally.

There are no rules about post length when you sign up,you should read them and see where you are borderline if not over flaunting the rules of posting.

But then again,some people are compulsive complainers and are never happy.

You did agree to the forum guidelines when you registered,maybe it is time to re-read them and stop mucking up the threads with your personal opinions about me that nobody cares about.

You could create your own forum and set your own guidelines and limit posting to a set amount of words,but Twitter already beat you to it,as far as I know you are not Admin,so why pretend you are?

Pay heed to this,you have never called out anybody else in the forums for post length,when others have posted lengthy posts,you have never called out anybody else in the forum for sentence structure,spelling or anything else for that matter but you constantly do with my posts.

It is all well documented,it does not bother me personally,outside of you constantly mucking up threads with the BS,you can play the stupid little veiled threats all you want, I have a leg to stand on when it comes to principles and I do stand by them.

The ball is in your court,the forum provides you with the opportunity to block me just as it clearly spells out how to behave with common respect to others.

If you persist with being in the wrong,that’s on you,good luck with that! :)

End of subject.

Hungry for details on Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine? Just file a Freedom of Information Act [[FOIA) request and wait until the U.S. tricentennial in 2076. That's the schedule the FDA proposed in documents filed in a U.S. District Court this week.

The FDA's request comes about a month after the plaintiffs, comprising more than 30 professors and scientists from some of the country's top schools, filed suit [[PDF) to expedite their FOIA request. The group originally asked for documentation after the vaccine's approval in August, but the FDA has yet to turn anything over.

The plaintiffs' lawyers say the FDA needs to fork over the information to "settle the ongoing public debate" around the agency's review process as well as to confirm its conclusion that the Pfizer vaccine is safe, effective and worthy of the public's trust.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/...vid-19-vaccine

So we are going to mandate a shot that you have to wait 55 years to actually find all the information on.

U.S. District Judge Mark Pittman has set a scheduling conference for Dec. 14, 2021, to weigh the timeline for the plaintiffs' request, Reuters reported Friday.

Well I went and scrounged for it! Jeff Zients has a web page
intended for information for the press, but it wasn't useful for
what I was looking for, which was a percent vaccination breakdown
for the Federal government, department by department.

Here it is.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/brief...ral-employees/

The CDC is part of the Department of Health and Human Services.

Note that employees probably could obtain exemptions from
being vaccinated and then be included in the compliance
figure. Note that some branches of the federal government
are exempt from the vaccination mandate.

However, though it would take dedicated research and reporting
in order to verify this, the true number of vaccinated CDC
employees is probably at 85% or higher as of December 2021.
It is stated that close to 92% have received at least one
COVID-19 vaccine dose.

All that said, yes, the vaccine goalposts are
certainly going to move.

The medical centers are seeing some COVID-19 deaths of
people who have received two doses of the Pfizer Biontech
vaccine series in particular but not yet their booster shot.
When I received my second Pfizer shot in May, the medical
assistant said to be sure to keep the vaccine card in a safe
place and to bring it back for the booster shot. Booster
shots weren't in existence at that time. The staff just knew
that they would be needed so I just knew it too! :)

The Pfizer vaccine contained less mRNA than the Moderna
vaccine did. This fact is before the upswing of omicron
variant has made itself felt.

And yes, probably the federal vaccination requirement
goalposts will move right along with this as well.

And if that's the case, the percent regarded as vaccinated
among the federal employees might roll back to 70% or
some other number based on the morbidity and mortality
numbers being seen at that time.

So if someone would like to stick with a 70% vaccination
figure for the CDC and feel right about it that's their privilege! :)

[I currently have two Pfizer shots plus the booster plus
wear two masks indoors unless alone or eating - a cloth
mask over a workplace issued kn-95 mask. About half of
shoppers yesterday at the big box store in Livonia
were wearing a single mask, typically a surgical mask,
sometimes a decorative cloth mask.
I'm old enough and fat enough that I would clog up
an emergency room if I didn't do stuff like this.]

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Originally Posted by Dumpling

Well I went and scrounged for it! Jeff Zients has a web page
intended for information for the press, but it wasn't useful for
what I was looking for, which was a percent vaccination breakdown
for the Federal government, department by department.

Here it is.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/brief...ral-employees/

The CDC is part of the Department of Health and Human Services.

Note that employees probably could obtain exemptions from
being vaccinated and then be included in the compliance
figure. Note that some branches of the federal government
are exempt from the vaccination mandate.

However, though it would take dedicated research and reporting
in order to verify this, the true number of vaccinated CDC
employees is probably at 85% or higher as of December 2021.
It is stated that close to 92% have received at least one
COVID-19 vaccine dose.

All that said, yes, the vaccine goalposts are
certainly going to move.

The medical centers are seeing some COVID-19 deaths of
people who have received two doses of the Pfizer Biontech
vaccine series in particular but not yet their booster shot.
When I received my second Pfizer shot in May, the medical
assistant said to be sure to keep the vaccine card in a safe
place and to bring it back for the booster shot. Booster
shots weren't in existence at that time. The staff just knew
that they would be needed so I just knew it too! :)

The Pfizer vaccine contained less mRNA than the Moderna
vaccine did. This fact is before the upswing of omicron
variant has made itself felt.

And yes, probably the federal vaccination requirement
goalposts will move right along with this as well.

And if that's the case, the percent regarded as vaccinated
among the federal employees might roll back to 70% or
some other number based on the morbidity and mortality
numbers being seen at that time.

So if someone would like to stick with a 70% vaccination
figure for the CDC and feel right about it that's their privilege! :)

[I currently have two Pfizer shots plus the booster plus
wear two masks indoors unless alone or eating - a cloth
mask over a workplace issued kn-95 mask. About half of
shoppers yesterday at the big box store in Livonia
were wearing a single mask, typically a surgical mask,
sometimes a decorative cloth mask.
I'm old enough and fat enough that I would clog up
an emergency room if I didn't do stuff like this.]

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Good info and good writing too. Sitting here LMAO.

To keep things to their proportion:

Four deceased in Oxford school shooting

More than fifty deceased in recent tornado and high wind events
[rightfully states of emergency]

About 130 in Arkansas; about 330 in Tennessee; about 450
in Kentucky; and about 800 in Michigan deceased due
to COVID-19 just in the last week in the current delta
wave of the pandemic [rightfully a state of emergency]

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/michigan

you can back out of that page to check any other state

The posts can be pretty silly! :)

Dumpling, Thank you for your ongoing informative and consistent posts about COVID.

You're welcome. I'm about to take a vacation so thanks to
all the rest of the posters and hope everyone has a nice holiday
season!

Here we go...[let the fear, selective control - begin] as our borders remain open.

...32,000 Americans 'who think they'll be alive to celebrate Christmas and New Years' will be DEAD by year's end

"The single best thing you can do would be to get a booster," said Mayo's top epidemiologist Dr. Gregory Poland.

Someone should have told all the concert goes [90k] that attended the Drake/ Kanye concert...:rolleyes:.... [maskless mind you].

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Originally Posted by Zacha341

Here we go...[let the fear, selective control - begin] as our borders remain open.

...32,000 Americans 'who think they'll be alive to celebrate Christmas and New Years' will be DEAD by year's end

"The single best thing you can do would be to get a booster," said Mayo's top epidemiologist Dr. Gregory Poland.

Someone should have told all the concert goes [90k] that attended the Drake/ Kanye concert...:rolleyes:.... [maskless mind you].

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Concert goers were vaccinated, were they not? The risk of death for vaccinated young people is pretty slim. If you're older and immuno compromised and feel the need to attend a rap concert then good luck.

Oh, I'm not 'tripping' about it. I only point it out to show how some things are and can be micromanaged, and how an event like this IS not.

And who knows WHO was vaxxed? If you're vaxxed [yourself] that should be of most paramount importance -- priority-wise, IMO.

In October, I too attended a very large gathering [well it was not a concert] and masks were sparse. No one was asking attendees to present their 'papers'.

It happens, or should I say in my case, happened before this recent spike.

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Originally Posted by 401don

Concert goers were vaccinated, were they not? The risk of death for vaccinated young people is pretty slim. If you're older and immuno compromised and feel the need to attend a rap concert then good luck.

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It's official. There have been just as many COVID deaths under Biden as under Trump; 400,000 each. That's 800,000 deaths. Detroit's population is 675,000 for comparison. Add St. Clair Shores and Pontiac's populations to Detroit's and there would still be fewer residents than the number of COVID dead.

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Originally Posted by oladub

It's official. There have been just as many COVID deaths under Biden as under Trump; 400,000 each. That's 800,000 deaths. Detroit's population is 675,000 for comparison. Add St. Clair Shores and Pontiac's populations to Detroit's and there would still be fewer residents than the number of COVID dead.

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Under Trump [mainly before the vaccine] there was no protection for those who caught it, and many were dying. Now under Biden the vast majority of deaths are the unvaccinated. Wonder what the count would be with the more dangerous Delta variant, if there were no vaccination. :eek:

Still amazed Michigan's vaccination rate is so low. Ontario is down to about 7 deaths per day with our 88% fully vaccinated over age 11.

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Originally Posted by Gistok

Under Trump [mainly before the vaccine] there was no protection for those who caught it, and many were dying. Now under Biden the vast majority of deaths are the unvaccinated. Wonder what the count would be with the more dangerous Delta variant, if there were no vaccination. :eek:

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People are still dying. That's the point. Candidate Biden said, when 200,000 people had died during Trump's presidency, that the death of 200,000 people under Trump was a good reason not to vote for Trump. Now 400,000 people have died under Biden. It is ironic though that under Trump, Democratic governors were sticking COVID patients into nursing homes resulting in the highest state levels of COVID infections, Now, under Biden, the highest levels tend to be in Republican areas where people are less likely to be vaccinated. Does President Biden's guidance to fire Trump for 200,000 cases apply to firing Biden for exceeding Trump's eventual 400,000 cases or is Biden's failure to mitigate the pandemic different because he is a Democrat? I have, for the record, even received my booster.

I'll credit Biden for reducing flights from S. Africa after calling Trump "xenophobic" for reducing flights from China after COVID broke out in China. That's a turnaround. But Biden decried Sturgis as a super spreading event but encouraged thousands of BLM protests. Neither turned out to be super spreader events but there was that inconsistency now found in ignoring the new numbers. Trump should get credit for his ramming through the rapid creation and deployment of Covid vaccines too.