Uh, I'm pretty sure that the Pointes are "us" too, and I'm the one asking you why you seem to have some weird fixataion on residents of the Pointes.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumas
The Pointes are diverse and quite welcoming in my experience, and are every bit as Detroit as anywhere else. For people living in the remaining stable areas of East Side of the city proper, it's absolutely essential that the Pointes remain desirable, or the East Side will be even more ruined.
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Originally Posted by sumas
He probably thinks you're part of the new world order...;)
They have both kinds of people: Doctors AND Lawyers!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bham1982
You can joke about half-century old sterotypes all you want; you know that the Pointes are easily more diverse than the East Side of Detroit. There are actual people of different races and different incomes and different lifestyles living together in a functioning community.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettopalmetto
I am a little sluggish this morning apparently. No clue what your post message was? You asked a Detroiter his/her opinion, so did you base that assumption on the fact that he/she was black? Perhaps you assumed he/she was so stupid he couldn't see you were white? I really have no clue what you were trying to convey in your post. Please explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
Read your initial post. You claimed that you were immune to the claimed [[and probably imaginary) bias in the Pointes because you were white [[obviously implying that the Pointes were biased against African Americans).Quote:
Originally Posted by sumas
Yet for some odd reason the Pointes have a fast growing African American community, while that of the East Side declines by the year. I wonder why?
this will teach those racist Grosse Pointers!!! Detroit can spend tons of money that they don't have to fight a legal battle that, even if they win, will only result in the richy richvillers picking up and moving their shed 100 yards.... at that point they will probably proceed to construct a 10 foot high cement wall and close off the alley access...
win win for Detroit!!! hoooray!!!!
Detroiters will cut their nose to spite their face
I'm not sure what's funnier, the arrogance or the incompetence of whomever managed to make this mess in the Pointes. The boundaries in the GPP charter are irrelevant to the legal issues. The city of Detroit's borders existed before GPP became a city.
The east side of Metro Detroit is just a dreary place. That's where the industry went, and now that American industry has significantly downsized, expect the situation to only get worse. Almost every community is declining to some degree, until you you get up to the half-built subdivisions in Macomb and Shelby Hellships.
And if you CAN get a job on the east side, now that the unions are basically busted -which I'm sure the haves cheered on - it's generally living hell. Employers know they've got you by the balls, so they pay you $10-$15 an hour, run skeleton crews, and demand at least 50-60 hours a week with no vacations and pathetic excuses for breaks. Everyone pretends to love making the money and has a "rah-rah" attitude [[though the pay still isn't enough to upkeep neighborhoods that were designed for well-paid union workers). Until, of course, they mysteriously quite in a few years. Or maybe a few months.
I know because I worked at a warehouse on the east side, witnessed it, and heard all the stories.
It's a sad situation and the attempts by GPP to block off Kercheval speak to the difficulty the GPs are having maintaining the illusion of living in prosperous area. In relative terms, even the GPs are declining when you consider what those cities once were.
Whenever I see Metro Detroiters take a blasé or defeatist attitude towards industry, it always blows my mind. To buy all those foreign products is so short-sighted. Why don't you just go down to the auto plants with sledgehammers while you're at it?
Well, if true, GPP would probably have to write a check.... which just might cover the legal fees.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goose
as an aside, the "after 6" event on the 12th was a blast. the farmers market is booming. some of you should put down your grinding axes and come out and see what the vision for this stretch of road is. the next after 6 is on 8/9
That made me laugh pretty damn hard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ghettopalmetto
It is unlikely Mayor Duggan will fight that battle. On the other hand wouldn't mind if we took back a third of the Windmill pointe park. That is our land which is leased but doubt leases have been paid for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goose
Does the fault... and there is fault if this is true....lie only with GPP? I mean this "highly controversial" matter has been going on for most of the summer [[and back into the winter)...and even before that in discussion. Where was Detroit in all this? Where was someone to say... um guys, you know that the border takes a bit of a jog there right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Novine
Heck, Detroit STILL isn't in this and is still "investigating". What the fuck [[again if true) is there to investigate? Should be a .4 second search of the tax rolls.
Mayor Duggan? Care to comment?
so...as per usual, you don't know, but you'll slander GP anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by sumas
Cheer up Nain I have experienced what you have but I never give up faith. despite our detractors Detroit will emerge leaner but effective in moving forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by nain rouge
I don't know, that whole "working on fixing Detroit" might be a priority to a sliver of land on the Detroit / GPP border, and it's pretty safe to assume that a city government would do due diligence to make sure that the structure they are erecting is legally within the bounds of the city. But, you know, let's just yell about how people think GPP is racist instead of the fact that GPP is coming across as Detroit-level incompetent with the PR skills of L Brooks Patterson.Quote:
Originally Posted by bailey
"working to fix detroit" hasn't stopped city council from weighing in on a whole host of ancillary matters, and specifically this issue. Clearly, no one on the Detroit side of the street thought to go check the boundary either.Quote:
Originally Posted by motz
Agreed, that this on GPPs part is either Detroit level incompetence or massive LBP type arrogance...or a little of both.
I think this is the first time I have said this since I started following city-level politics like, 8 years ago, but the city council seems to be focusing on what many of us, inside Detroit and out, view as relevant or important issues, rather than squabbling with GPP about their stupid barn they bought from Home Depot and put on the street.Quote:
Originally Posted by bailey
I'm sure we'll see Brenda Jones have everyone vote on a resolution that amounts to telling GPP "either knock that off, or work with us on some type of an agreement", but I doubt we will see a Monica Conyers or Joann Watson style week-long rant and rave session we would've seen even a year or two ago.
Bada boom Bada bing....Quote:
Originally Posted by Bham1982
Let's go tell Duggan to get folks in Richville to tear down so called demarcation outdoor market. And re-open Kercheval St. Those folks in Richville will have to deal the DEAD [[C) KRAK HEADS who are hanging in the corner As long that don't bother them.
Quote from Sumas
"I was accused on this forum of seeing racism in GPP. Look buddy I lived there. We were renters and had to prove each year to the schools, the parks, the libraries while we lived there. I was fine with that, we were renters. The schools were doing the same shit to black home owners. That created a ruckus, as it should have."
I'm curious, why would having to prove residency [[Black or white homeowners) to reap the benefits of ones community cause a ruckus??? My Mom and Dad [[lily white) moved to GPP from their Jeff/Chalmers neighborhood home back in 94 and have had to religiously present themselves to city officials to get their park passes/benefits etc and to also vote in elections...how is that racist for any resident? I don't remember reading about it in the papers..but did the black homeowners protest this overt racism? I would think they would be rather happy to live in a place where their hard earned tax dollars were finally producing above average city services. Just curious...
I find it doubtful that Detroit was ever notified by GPP of their intentions to build this thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bailey
Because to ask any question about residency is racist. End of story.Quote:
Originally Posted by EASTSIDE CAT 67-83
This has been a high profile controversy since the first proposals several years ago. The first proposals had a building spanning the street where the shed is. no one said boo about it being an encroachment.... just that all of GP is the new confederacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by iheartthed