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Wait what? You CAN'T actually believe that? Getting rich while in public office is self made?Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLemur
What you refer to as self made, the rest of the world knows as corruption.
And what does President' Trump's dad getting him his start in the building trade have to do with Biden's massive history of corruption?
How exactly did either "get rich" in public office by virtue of their public office?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdd
Most of Harris' wealth comes from her husband's role as a Partner in a large international law firm. And Biden's financial disclosures from when he was an elected official show that he was solidly upper-middle class throughout his political career, he didn't make any real money until after he left the White House in 2017 and signed a book deal and did speaking tours, which earned him several million dollars as a private citizen.
Meanwhile, Donald Trump literally steers MILLIONS in taxpayer dollars to his own properties and companies. THAT'S corruption.
But that's different for these idiots and their idiotic messiah.Quote:
Originally Posted by aj3647
As I predicted, they just can't help themselves, no matter how badly they are shooting themselves in the foot with female voters:
Eric Trump likes tweet calling Kamala Harris a whore.
Best of luck with your electoral chances in the suburbs come November, Republicans.
Kamala Harris grew up comfortably in Canada. Her mother was a surgeon and university instructor. Kamala's father's family included slaveowners. -"Kamala Harris – Tamil Indian or phony African?"Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLemur
Speaking of silver spoons, JFK and FDR were also born with silver spoons in their mouths. Are you denouncing every politician from a rich family or just attacking Trump?
At a time of the greatest income inequality in America, you can pick the man who inherited 1 Million cash and real estate from daddy. Or you can pick self made Joe Biden and the daughter of successful immigrants, Kamala Harris. Candidates who lived through hard work and the American dream. Or a guy who had big dollars and property handed to him and brags about his business success incessantly. Pick the people to fix our economic problems, not the ones responsible for them. ......now Trump's trying to stop people from voting by mail. Shameless. Everything that is wrong in American...shameless.
Trump was given $1 million [[$7 million by today's standards) by his father to invest in real estate when he graduated from college. This was on top of a trust fund that was established for him at age three, which also contained about a million dollars.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLemur
All told, he received just north of $410 MILLION from his father Fred Trump's real estate businesses and estate over the course of his lifetime. Interestingly enough, from what we do know of Trump's net worth, he'd be worth more today had he simply taken all the money Daddy gave him and conservatively invested it and sat back and let smarter men use his money to make money for him. He's only lost money over the course of his lifetime by trying to play Businessman.
You also have the choice between hyper-corrupt Socialists [[Harris is far left of Bernie, based on her voting in the Senate) who want to take down the USA and enrich themselves and their corporate and Wall Street backers,.. or the current president who works for free and LOOSES billions to make the USA better.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLemur
Poverty and crime,.. OR wealth. It's a choice. I prefer the latter myself.
Thanks for the clarification. His dad also co-signed his early real estate deals as well.
I never understood why Hillary didn't attack his bonifides as a businessman. He isn't a good businessman. He's mediocre.
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Originally Posted by aj3647
BigD,
I'm going to be completely honest with you. I've engaged with you Covid and you're a pretty smart guy, you know conservative details well and details to complex political topics. You've also shown some decency to fellow citizens.
To see you reduced to generic, vague political platitudes is sad. Things are not normal in 2020. There is a deep chaos to this country right now and it stems from Donald Trump, Covid-19, and misinformation online. The U.S.A is being taken down. Its voting systems, its intelligence agencies, its Western allies, its Governors in a pandemic, its former Oval Office leaders - all being attacked by this President. To see our institutions of trust, being attacked by Donald Trump right before our eyes and then....then hear you throw some canard at Kamala Harris is nothing short of fatuitous.
Now is the time to vote for moderate Democrat, Joe Biden and get the country back on stable footing. Our country is being taken down alright....time to get it back to people who care about it and its standards, not just themselves.
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Originally Posted by Bigdd
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Originally Posted by DeLemur
Just so I understand, you're asking people to give more power to the party tolerating rioting, burning, looting, breaking into gated communties, terrorizing public servants, demanding citizens give up their homes, demanding defunding our first line of defense, and putting infected patients in the same facilities as senior citizens, because that party is going to stabilize our country? Gotcha.
Are you possibly confusing BigD with Bigdd?
They are two separate entities on here.
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Originally Posted by DeLemur
Mediocre is a rather generous appraisal. After 6 [[or is it 7?) bankruptcies, including two for gambling ventures, no one would loan him one cent except for the money laundering Deutsch Bank, and then only after they were underwritten by Russian oligarchs.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLemur
Funny. The VAST majority of violence and burglaries at those BLM rallies were, if you would care to examine who was charged, were boogaloo boys or other white power assholes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honky Tonk
And yes, defund the police. The police do not prevent crime, they are there after the fact. Preventing crime requires investing in people and communities, reducing poverty, and making sure all have a stake in our society. A method that is proven around the world.
EDIT,.. holy cow I just typed a bunch. Sorry if you read it all, but thanks if you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLemur
Why thank you DeLemur, that was kind of you.
I guess it comes down to point of view. Those in here with a more liberal bent seem to view Pres Trump as divisive, but have a hard time explaining how so.
I view the media as being the ones creating the division [[which they've been doing a long time before Mr. Trump was elected).
The president says he want's a wall to keep out illegals [[which compete with the poor for jobs, and compete for our social assistance dollars, and to protect us from the massive drug war going on just across the way, etc,.. and the media frames it as racist. AS IF the only POSSIBLE reason a president might want to enforce the immigration laws and keep illegals out of their country is because of their skin pigment. In their view, there's not even a 1% chance his motives could have anything to do with drugs, terrorism, protecting the citizens that live near the boarder or protecting the job market for the low income earners, or protecting our schools or our social safety net. ONLY racism.
So we have to ask ourselves,.. do we lock our doors at night? Why? With 85% whatever percent of Detroiters being of color,... are we just all hyper-racists? How come we don't leave our cars and houses unlocked?
Building a wall is the EXACT same thing as living in a gated community, or locking your doors, or installing an alarm system. You do it to protect the things YOU have worked for, and prevent others from taking it away.
Illegial aliens cost this country an estimated $90 BILLION EVERY YEAR. Yet speaker Pelosi and Sen. Schumer tell us we can't possibly afford $8 billion for a wall? To me that sounds like the best ROI in history,.. even if it only slows the influx down by half.
Immigration is a good thing [[if they're good immigrants, and they go through the system, and get legal papers, so they can work above the table jobs, and pay taxes, etc), and the president has many times stated he likes legal immigration. And just as with our cars and homes,.. WE get to decide who we invite in. You get to choose who you invite over for dinner, and you're not likely to let in strangers off the street. Does that make us racist? Or, if we don't let in a stranger of our own skin color we're not racist,.. but if they happen to be of a different color we suddenly ARE racist? [[See how silly that gets?) Speaker Pelosi lives in a gated community and locks her doors, and has armed security. Is she racist?
To help the poor we need to make schools better [[even if that means charters, or vouchers or whatever we can find that actually works), and we need more dads in the home, and we need more jobs, etc, etc. Unchecked immigration, min wage hikes, poor schools, etc all run counter to this.
Sen Harris flip-flops all over the place,.. and her voting record in the senate is far to the left of Sen. Sanders. Add that to the fact that she did poorly in the primaries, and the fact that she can't bring Biden a state, because she's already from Cali which was already going to go for him, and it's realy odd that Biden would choose her. So when the president says he thinks she's a terrible pick,.. he must be racist and sexist right? Of course not. I mean perhaps he is,.. but nothing in such a statement would reveal that. But the media portrays it that way. So does that make the president the divisive one or the media?
You know what WOULD be racist? Stating that you're committed to picking a VP who is a woman of color. Not that you're going to pick the candidate that's the best candidate for the job,.. but one who is of color and female. Isn't THAT racism and sexism?
I personally believe the media is the one creating the division in this country. But I'm open to hearing rational arguments to the contrary. I just haven't heard one yet.
Now, I agree with you that Joe Biden IS moderate,.. in fact his voting record is right of center. I think that would surprise a lot of Dem voters to hear the things he's voted for. The 1994 crime Bill being just one of many.
Sen Harris locked up blacks like crazy as AG in Cali., but is WAY left in her senate voting. Far to the left of Sen Sanders in fact. And with Biden's age and obvious mental issues,.. this is more of a concern than with the average election.
I agree that the country is in chaos,.. but do not agree that it is Trump's doing. Covid yes,.. but that was China and Fauci.
The politicization of this virus is sickening. Biden's camp recently blamed Trump for tens of thousands of deaths for closing the boarders late. [[That if he had closed the boarders 1 week early 30,000 lives might have been saved, and 51,000 lives if 2 weeks earlier, etc). But at the time, the president went against the scientists who were telling him he DIDN'T need to close the boarders. He did anyway,.. and Biden criticized him at the time for being xenophobic and whatever. Then this week, Biden says he should have done it sooner. Huh?
The media hammers the president for not following the scientest. But they're often wrong,.. AND, the president has to factor in a lot of variables. He has fto factor in the economy, public safety, education, children getting lunches etc. There are A LOT of deaths caused by depression, not getting other medical treatments, long term poverty [[from fallingbehind in payments etc), and on and on. And the president has to factor all of this together,.. with a lot of unknowns,.. and steer the ship down the middle of all that. And that course is NOT going to exactly match what one doctor somewhere is suggesting. And when one virologists disagrees with the president,.. that doesn't make the pres wrong. The pres has to factor in thousands of other things.
The president is dammed if he does and damned if he doesn't. To my mind it's not fair to judge someone based on 20/20 hindsight,.. but it's beyond crazy to criticize him BOTH ways like Biden has..
Sen Harris is doing the same sort of thing. Criticizing the president for the economy, while also saying the lock-downs weren't enough. Yet most of the media doesn't seem to notice the conflict there.
It's a hot mess, and Nov 3rd can't come soon enough. Once that date passes,.. I suspect a lot of this will go away, no matter who wins the election.
What does this mean? It would seem to me the best way to judge someone is with clear vision...
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Originally Posted by Bigdd
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Originally Posted by jcole
Oops, I meant 20/20 "hindsight". LOL [[Lemme fix that)
I "wish" I had 20/20 vision. Heck, I'd take 20/200 at this point.
rb, In the past you have sided with antifa brownshirts. Now you are claiming that "The VAST majority of violence and burglaries at those BLM rallies were, if you would care to examine who was charged, were boogaloo boys or other white power assholes." That's one of the most preposterous things I've seen written here. Antifa brownshirts are mostly white but so far, I've only heard of a couple of arrests of right wingers trying to start a race war. That falls well short of "the VAST majority". Maybe you have some source for your claim? If most of these creeps were right wingers, why would Portland be letting such a high percentage of these vandals off? The governments of Portland, Minneapolis, and some of these other Democratic cities have tolerated a great deal of violence and destruction. They might as well be on the same side as antifa.Quote:
Originally Posted by rb336
Go tell the owners of 1,500 businesses in Minneapolis that were damaged or destroyed to defund the police. Business owners who have any sense will retire or resume operations in other places where their businesses won't be sacked by elements of the BLM/antifa crowd. Two of those businesses that were burned down in Minneapolis were U.S. Post Offices.
It IS A MESS with many black and minority business burned and destroyed.
Their stories are yet to be told. But doubtfully will be.
My question to Ms. Harris would be how will/ would she address this?
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Originally Posted by oladub
You seem to like facts sometimes and other times more than willing to throw them right out the window.Quote:
Originally Posted by oladub
Antifa is far from the biggest problems the next administration will face. There is a legitimate argument that if hate groups were not on the rise there would not be a Anti-Fascist movement. Antifa is just another example of this administration making mountains out of molehills to stir up division and make themselves appear to be some sort of cure. The real question is could they be creating the disease in the first place?
It is issues like this that confuse me about you oladub. You claim the most important issue for you going forward is to have zero involvement in foreign conflict yet you are more than willing to bite hard on this Antifa bullshit bait.
How the hell do you think we got involved in those stupid foreign wars in the first place? With administrations that were completely on board with peddling extremely exaggerated fear to the American public. Trump is more than willing to do that obviously. He does it often.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...eftwing-antifa
I disagree. Antifa acts like brownshirt fascists whatever it wants to call itself. If it is anti-fascistic, it is in the sense that Stalin considered everything in his way fascists. Millions of Kulaks died as a result of Marxism and the loss of their productivity meant hunger and starvation in much of the USSR. Antifa and antifa wannabees destroyed 1,500 businesses in Minneapolis in June. Some places in Minneapolis are now food deserts because local grocery stores were destroyed. Thats a mini version of the loss of productive kulaks. Blinding police with lasers, beating people unconscious [[Portland last night), destroying public and private property, blocking interstates, destroying 1,500 businesses in Minneapolis alone, having violent protests for over 70 days in a row in Portland, hospitalizing 17 police in Chicago, etc.. is, to me, more than "a molehill".Quote:
Originally Posted by ABetterDetroit
It isn't just antifa. Politicians and judges who tolerate and condone the violence and destruction are equally responsible. At least 29 people died in these protests, mostly by gun shot as of June 22. Homicide rates in Democratic cities have also increased since the BLM/antifa riots by 23% in NYC, 29% in Chicago, and by double digits in L.A.. This is largely the business of people who vote for Democrats. They can do to their cities what they want. However, Trump was right in trying to protect federal assets. In November, voters nationwide have the same choice to make.
The BLM/antifa movement has become something akin to the Cultural Revolution that set China back a few years by attacking merit and replacing it with ideology.
You mentioned wars. Wars are a huge drain on a country even if victorious. Hawks in China were pushing for the conquest of Taiwan while the U.S. was embroiled with Covid-19. If hundreds of sailors on U.S. aircraft carriers are sick, the U.S. is ill prepared to fight. I wonder what those same hawks will do if the U.S. is struggling with Covid while 1) antifa/Democrats are conducting their cultural revolution if Democrats win or 2) burning down cities if Trump wins again. Seeing the U.S. off balance might be irresistible to Chinese hawks bent on conquering Taiwan.
Trump has been better than previous presidents about not starting new wars. Bush promoted fears to pedal the Iraq war but Clinton and Obama just bombed the heck out of Serbia, Libya, and Syria without particularly stirring fears or even calling them wars. Meanwhile, neocons are gradually leaving the Republican Party disgusted with Trump and returning to the Democratic Party. Democrats should worry about this instead of endorsing the late John McCain and John Bolton. Think about it, brownshirt antifa attacking Democrats enemies in the cities and warmongers more and more at the helm of the Democratic Party.
^ Yeah, just weighing in on the BLM/ Antifa [[setting aside what they call themselves or rather fascism is only a right-wing construct - ya-dah). There has to be brought an end to this madness. I have family talking of relocating out of the insane zones. One was renting so that option is easier.
Ironically, for the sake of black people, the BLM blob as it's working out is rolling up over and dissolving black people. And anyone not towing their rhetoric, line-by-line as they add scriptures to their sacred tablets of demands, daily!
Food deserts as you mention, crime, theft, more lack of economic and generation wealth building, etc. I WANT the people in the community to stand up and speak out on this NOW. So long as push-back is reported and sold as only from the right [[ala Trump) the rioters will continue to destroy in Trumps name.
I don't want to get into this discussion, except to say that Oladub, you are incorrect in saying 1,500 buildings were destroyed in Minneapolis/St. Paul.
1,500 buildings were DAMAGED.... only 70 were actually destroyed...
https://www.startribune.com/minneapo...fire%20damage.
Not that any number is acceptable... but many buildings were just damaged.
That’s nice except he said businesses not buildings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gistok
“Antifa and antifa wannabees destroyed 1,500 businesses in Minneapolis in June.”
Well Wheels if you spent as much time with the "scroll" function on that page as you did with your reply... you will see AN ITEMIZED LIST... with the level of damage to each business address... and if you do decide to check it out.... you will see that most of those businesses are NOT destroyed... but have "minor property damage" listed. Granted some say "destroyed by fire", some say "property damage"... but the majority say "minor property damage"... which if these businesses are insured, should be covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wheels
For those who didn't bother to read the link... this is what it says....
"....causing millions in property damage to more than 1,500 locations. In their wake, vandals left a trail of smashed doors and windows, covered hundreds of boarded-up businesses with graffiti and set fire to nearly 150 buildings, with dozens burned to the ground. Pharmacies, groceries, liquor stores, tobacco shops and cell phone stores were ransacked, losing thousands of dollars in stolen merchandise. Many were looted repeatedly over consecutive nights."
That's not to say that any damage is excusable... because none of it is. And when you look at the map, it is appalling at how widely spread out the carnage was, over large parts of both Minneapolis and St. Paul.
But let's do some fact checking first... otherwise people start sounding like the shrill news media... :eek: