I hate to rain on your parade but you did not unnerve me. It is just that I do not suffer fools easily. And you, young man, are a fool.
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I see where you're coming from, but Chicago's GDP is 3x Detroit's. Evanston also has the benefit of being home to one of the wealthiest and most elite universities in the world, Northwestern. It's akin to moving UM to Grosse Pointe. UM makes Ann Arbor largely recession-proof.
The GP defenders sound EXACTLY like the Shaker Heights defenders on city-data forums. From claiming the naysayers are exaggerating to the "you just don't get [GP]." See:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...-question.html
http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...host-town.html
http://www.city-data.com/forum/cleve...r-heights.html
http://www.heightsobserver.org/read/...ter-of-decline
That said, your house is the most expensive investment most people ever make. And where you raise and you're sending your kids to school is the more precious thing in the world. So it's impossible to have a candid and transparent conversation with someone currently so invested in GP. The freshest and most honest take you'll get is from someone who just sold their GP house.
Did Thomas Guastello and Art Van Elslander get in trouble with the cops before moving to Birmingham and Bloomfield Twp, respectively? Were all the Pointers who dumped their underwater GP house from 2006-2012 to keep the vacation home in Florida [[the Hathaways were far from the only ones who pulled that stunt) in trouble with the cops?
Were the 6,000 white residents you lost between 2000 and 2010 in trouble with the cops?
http://datadrivendetroit.org/data-ma...ool_districts/
http://www.mlive.com/education/index...e_in_worl.html
"A decade ago, both cities had about 8 percent of their students living in rented housing. Now it’s 24 percent in Birmingham; 20 percent in Grosse Pointe."
"The district saw a 263 percent increase in African-American students between the 2000 and 2010 censuses."
Wide spread technology is already being used in London, New York, DC and Philly. Boston has now started to invest in it as well and Paris will soon join the list of new investors [[go figure). These systems are not based off of a movie but are being built right now in reality. A major part of the thought that goes into them is taking into account the simple fact the criminals use masks in major violent crime [[duh) and is designed to track movement, point of origins, contacts etc. A basic truth is that as when these systems start getting more wide spread in use is that stupid criminals and crime of opportunity committed on a whim will be the easiest to solve. When you're engineering in strategy to catch the people who are trying to cover their tracks the dumb ones will be like netting goldfish in a bowl. [[they sure aren't computer hackers, you get confused between movies and reality). Change is inevitable, everything always changes and the age of jumping in your car and shooting people with guns has seen its apex. Violent crimes will still exist its just that technology will force it onto a smaller and smaller piece of real estate.
No worries for you though Danny, people with low self esteem that have been preaching hate and fear since the dawn of civilization will continue to do so for a while because it makes them feel better about their own lack of accomplishments.
All year, but especially in the warmer months, there's extensive home remodeling/tear down/new construction going on in Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills. Are there tear downs and rebuilds happening in GP?
Why would you post outdated information without identifying it as such?
It does not matter that not all of the Fords live in the Pointe. While many Fords did indeed live here many do not. Who cares? It makes no difference to the fact that this community is far from ghetto and those that proclaim it as such either do not know the definition of the word or are out of touch with reality. Either way, most folks know that the originator of this post is trolling and this whole discussion is rubbish. I regret that I even stuck my toe in the cesspool that is this thread. Shalom!
Why does everyone care so much about GP on a Detroit forum? Many suburbs face similar issues in which part of the city starts to become cheaper and a 'less desirable' faction moves in. Take a look at Farmington Hills as but one example. I haven't seen thread with 10k views about FH going ghetto.
An early frontrunner for most elitist post of the year...
The problem with Metro Detroit is apparent in these discussions. We're arguing whose suburb is better when we need to be communicating and tackling problems together.
I, too, am not an eastsider. I grew up and still living along the Woodward corridor. I would love for you to tell a person from Beverly Hills that they "basically" live in Southfield. Please, go ahead.
ISIS unnerves me, am I supposed to pack up and move to the moon?
I can’t find a single source that puts Grosse Pointe public schools among the creme de la creme. Even if we isolate the “premier” Grosse Pointe South High, it is merely #25 in the state. Michigan as a whole is fairly depressed when it comes to public schools, ranking in the bottom half of the country; so on a national scale, #25 is pretty unfortunate for a town full of cosmopolitans with prestigious aspirations. Nobody is claiming it's going to be Detroit by the end of 2015, but it seems quite obvious the district’s best days are long behind. Glancing at this list, it's pretty clear in or near Ann Arbor, Northville, eastern Grand Rapids burbs, Bhills/Bham, and Rochester/Oakland Twp are much wiser real estate investments.
1-3 International Academies of Macomb, Bloomfield Hills, Washtenaw
4 City High, Grand Rapids
5 Seaholm, Birmingham
6 Saginaw Arts & Sciences
7 Okemos
8 Community, Ann Arbor
9 Adams, Rochester
10 East Grand Rapids
11 Northville
12 Troy
13 Forest Hills Central
13 Saline
15 Chelsea
16 Pioneer, Ann Arbor
17 Washtenaw Tech
18 Skyline, Ann Arbor
19 Athens, Troy
19 Novi
21 Houghton Central
22 Stoney Creek, Rochester
23 Black River [[Public Charter), Holland
23 Harbor Springs
25 Forest Hills East
25 Grosse Pointe South
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86 Grosse Pointe North
http://www.schooldigger.com/go/MI/districtrank.aspx
And still, none of this matters. The Pointes are still affluent, desirable, and the schools and neighborhoods are overall safe and respectable. No one in their right mind would say anything to the contrary. We are all biased against our communities, true, but we need to be objective. End of story.
Out of 2,875 public high schools in the state of Michigan thats in the in the top 1 percentile and 4th respectively. The pointes are just fine, 96% of the high schools in the state wish they did as good as the pointes worst.
http://high-schools.com/directory/mi/
Sy, I have no beef with you... my comment was geared to DetroitBoy who has repeatedly been making a meal out of a morsel over the fact that GP is going ghetto over the fact that William Clay Ford Jr. moved to the Ann Arbor area.... you and I are basically on the same page.... it DOESN'T matter where the family members live....
99% of Michigan is largely irrelevant, either ghetto or farmville [[and I bet a rather significant % of that 2,875 are alternative and early college "high schools"). Either way, for GP to fall from top 3 to top 30 is significant decline. And I guess you believe the drop has stopped? Most logical people safely infer GP's publics will continue to fall. Of course the GP resident talking points will remain the same, e.g., everyone is exaggerating, our architecture can't be beat, you just don't get the Pointes, the Pointes have always had crime, we don't run away from diversity.
Coyotitaville!
'going'? Alfred R. Glancy's home invasion was 42 years ago...died in Haper Hospital 7 months later http://www.leagle.com/decision/19757...0v.%20WILLIAMS
Flying: I think that your example would be germane to this discussion if you could say that the assailant of Mr. Glance was one of his neighbors in Grosse Pointe, but you do not assert that.
What is being dicussed here is whether the bucolic norm of Grosse Pointe is being harmed by a new class of residents who may or may not be homeowners and who appear to be forcing a lowering of previously high school standards and neighborhood peace standards.
if Mr. Glancy's assailant were to have come to Grosse Ponte from, say the east side of Detroit, to do the crime- that would actually support the OP's quiery.
And I just looked up a Grosse Pointe News archive about Mr. Glancy's death and, indeed, the burglars who killed him were both from Detroit.
agian, no one doubts that three has always been crime in Grosse Pointe. It wasn't home-grown previously, tho. This discussion is about whether that has changed with new residents.
It really depends on what you're comparing them to. Their stability most certainly warrants a level of uncertainty. If you buy a million dollar house in Barton Hills, Ann Arbor are you concerned it will be worth $600K in five or ten years? No. Can you say the same for a similar house in the Pointes?
I wonder what % of the real money in GP even lives there full time. It wouldn't surprise me to learn most of the wealth is 65+, retired and living in Florida half the year. Who replaces those old timers when they pass away and/or move to Florida full time at a rapid clip?
Gisty: Please understand, F*** the Fords. I don't give a damn where they live. They are not needed to validate the worth of the city of my residence. The Pointe is a wonderful place to live despite the dearth of Fords and in spite of the lunatic ramblings of the internet troll known as Detroitboy.
Those of us who have lived here for decades know the truth. We will be just fine regardless of online nonsense as spread by the likes of mentally deficient fools like the original poster on this thread.