disbar the torture laywers

[barnesfoto]

...under the Bush administration, torture was authorized by George Bush and kept secret using classified designations. The White House requested legal memoranda to support its use of torture and it received those authored by a host of attorneys, including John Yoo, Jay Bybee, and Stephen Bradbury. Attorneys who advised, counseled, consulted and supported those memoranda included Alberto Gonzales, John Ashcroft, Michael Chertoff, Alice Fisher, William Haynes II, Douglas Feith, Michael Mukasey, Timothy Flanigan, and David Addington.

Several of these memoranda have recently been released, and clearly demonstrate that these attorneys conspired to violate laws against torture and that their actions resulted in torture and death. Accordingly, these attorneys must be held accountable. We have asked the respective state bars to revoke the licenses of the foregoing attorneys for moral turpitude. They failed to show “respect for and obedience to the law, and respect for the rights of others,” and intentionally or recklessly failed to act competently, all in violation of legal Rules of Professional Conduct. Several attorneys failed to adequately supervise the work of subordinate attorneys and forwarded shoddy legal memoranda regarding the definition of torture to the White House and Department of Defense. These lawyers further acted incompetently by advising superiors to approve interrogation techniques that were in violation of U.S. and international law. They failed to support or uphold the U.S. Constitution, and the laws of the United States, and to maintain the respect due to the courts of justice and judicial officers, all in violation state bar rules.

On Monday, May 18, 2009, a broad coalition of organizations dedicated to accountable government, and representing over one million members, filed disciplinary complaints with state bar licensing boards against the above named twelve attorneys for advocating the torture of detainees during the Bush Administration. These detailed complaints, with over 500 pages of supporting exhibits, have been filed with the state bars in the District of Columbia, New York, California, Texas and Pennsylvania, and they seek disciplinary action and disbarment. Copies of the complaints and exhibits are available below.

The individually tailored complaints allege that the named attorneys violated the rules of professional responsibility by advocating torture. The memos written and supported by these attorneys advocating torture have now been repudiated by the Department of Justice, the White House, the Department of Defense and other experts in the field. The recently released Senate and Red Cross reports on detainee treatment provide uncontroverted evidence that the torture techniques advocated by the attorneys were used on human beings over an extended period of time. We have also sent a letter to House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers, asking that he initiate impeachment proceeding against Jay Bybee, who is now a sitting federal judge. The evidence is clear that, during his confirmation hearings, Mr. Bybee misused the classified status of his torture memos to portray a false picture of his legal history.



more: http://www.velvetrevolution.us/torture_lawyers/index.php

[Lorax]

As long as we keep at it, the truth shall set us free.

The line has been drawn in the sand, and with tenacity, the rule of law will be re-established in this country.

The frauds, follies and felonies of the Bush Crime Family will be exposed, and even now define their legacy.

[ccbatson]

By all accounts...including Democrats in congress, enhanced interrogations are not torture, and are legal.

[Detroitej72]

As long as we keep at it, the truth shall set us free.

The line has been drawn in the sand, and with tenacity, the rule of law will be re-established in this country.

The frauds, follies and felonies of the Bush Crime Family will be exposed, and even now define their legacy.

I suspect this will end up being nothing more than a footnote in history, much like the Iran/Contra Scandal, quietly swept under the rug.

[jams]

By all accounts...including Democrats in congress, enhanced interrogations are not torture, and are legal.
Maybe in Batsonia...

[ccbatson]

A speaker of the house accusing the CIA of lying and getting rebuked by the Liberal chairman of the agency will be more than a footnote.

[Lorax]

This is more than any footnote, folks.

This issue DEFINES Tush/Cheney and their taint is a permanent stain on the presidency.

This is the worst case scenario for the fascist right. The constant drip, drip, drip of the news cycle brings out more and more aggregious criminal activity by the Bush Crime Family, and will end up not only defining the repugnicans, but may in all likelihood contribute to convictions as well. :)

[ccbatson]

Sigh...soon it will be clear to you that Bush and Cheney are not at issue here.

[Detroitej72]

Sigh...soon it will be clear to you that Bush and Cheney are not at issue here.

Since it was their people and policies that are to blame, I fail to see how they are not at issue here.

[Jimaz]

The world is watching.

So the issue is no longer "how this was ever allowed to be" but rather "how this will never again be allowed to be."

We're faced with the challange to make it impossible for torture to be ever again legitimized.

How do we do that ... with any credibility?!

[Lorax]

By prosecuting, convicting, and jailing the Bush Crime Family. End of story.

[rb336]

So Pelosi is now responsible for the war crimes that were committed? {spin, spin, spin}

not spin. spin is Cheney claiming it saved lives. Bats tortures facts to fit into his ectremely narrow world-view

[Gistok]

But Mr. CCBatson,,,,,,,,,Shhhhhhhhhh,Don't give up their secrets. If they say the word torture over and over on a continuous loop the zombobots will believe it.

LOL... Free ofAletall... maybe once you hit 50 posts... you'll see that the main continuous loop on this forum is "Mr. CCBatson" keep repeating the words "socialism" over and over and over and over again...

[Detroitej72]

If they say the word torture over and over on a continuous loop the zombobots will believe it.

I think the lunatic, fringe right has the zombies pretty much locked into their camp. How else can they proudly call themselves ditto heads, the very expression admits they cannot think for themselves.

The neo-cons strategy is:

1. Scream louder than the opposition.
2. Repeatedly and liberally toss around the word socialist.
3. When your boy Bush is under scrutiny, shift the focus to the house speaker, even though indicting her means your previous defense of Bush has now been contradicted.
4. Repeat 1 thru 3 in a continuous cycle in the hopes that the other side will grow tired, and cede the argument.

[ccbatson]

Nationalize GM (and Chrysler), socialized medicine, bailout and control banks, insurance companies, financial institutions, reinstitute welfare, "spread the wealth", paying more taxes is "neighborly and patriotic", albeit at the point of a gun (and unless you are an Obama appointee), spend the debt and deficit up by four fold in 3 months, and fund abortion with tax dollars.

Nahh, no socialism, fascism, or Marxism going on in the Obama administration.

[Lorax]

Well, Batts, seems an appropriate punishment for 8 years of death, destruction, & bankruptcy.

If the times we now find ourselves in are so objectionable to you, why isn't a repugnican in the White House?

You should have rallied the troops (we know how you love the use of war metaphors) and gotten the Values Voters to spread their vomit around and maybe you'd be able to steal another election.

Guess the MAJORITY decided enough was enough. :p

[Redford Kid]

One of the funniest things I read on here is when cbatson says "Rush who, oh I have not listened to him in a while". Ha ha.:eek:

[Lorax]

We refer to him as Batboy. :eek:

Remember the iconic National Enquirer front page?

With views like his, I doubt he looks like George Clooney.

[rb336]

Nationalize GM (and Chrysler), socialized medicine, bailout and control banks, insurance companies, financial institutions, reinstitute welfare, "spread the wealth", paying more taxes is "neighborly and patriotic", albeit at the point of a gun (and unless you are an Obama appointee), spend the debt and deficit up by four fold in 3 months, and fund abortion with tax dollars.

Nahh, no socialism, fascism, or Marxism going on in the Obama administration.

ok, piece by piece

GM & Chrysler are NOT nationalized, we don't have what we need as far as single-payer health and obama has proposed nothing like it, banks, insurance companies, etc certainly need to be controlled, esp. since it was them running amock with virtually no regulation that created the current mess, the past 30 years have seen the largest redistribution of wealth in human history -- from the working and middle classes to the entrenched elites Jefferson so rightly warned against. balanced budget under clinton, destroyed economy under dubya and the laissez fair corporatists (fascists, by definition) the highest growth in our national debt in history (your "spend the debt and deficit up by four fold in 3 months" is pure BS)

[Detroitej72]

, socialized medicine, bailout and control banks, insurance companies, financial institutions, reinstitute welfare, "spread the wealth", paying more taxes is "neighborly and patriotic", albeit at the point of a gun (and unless you are an Obama appointee), spend the debt and deficit up by four fold in 3 months, and fund abortion with tax dollars.

Nahh, no socialism, fascism, or Marxism going on in the Obama administration.

Allow me to shed some logic and educate you a bit.

1.Nationalize GM (and Chrysler) This is a flat out lie. Its the same as when the government loaned Chrysler money in the 70's.

2.bailout and control banks, insurance companies, financial institutions. Newsflash, this policy was started under conservative god Bush. Under Obama, he has actually held these institutions to some well needed rules if they are going to suck off the publics nipple. Of coarse, the same neo-cons who cheered Bush giving the banks billions of our dollars are the same ones complaining how Obama is making them jump through hoops the way they make any average person jump when they seek a loan from any lending institution.

3.re-institute welfare. Where did that come from? Do you mean providing unemployment benefits to all those who lost their jobs? I'm not sure if you realize this, but its payed for from an insurance fund that companies pay into.

4.paying more taxes is "neighborly and patriotic", albeit at the point of a gun. Not sure about you, but myself, as well as most Americans are paying less now under Obama. Those paying more are the same ones who, no doubt, have the most tax breaks out of anyone, and can afford to pay, unlike the poor shlub working a couple minimum wage jobs just to stay above water. As far as the gun crack, I guess you put that in for shock value, as the IRS doesn't have armed thugs knocking at your door.

5.spend the debt and deficit up by four fold in 3 months. Would you rather him take 8 years like your boy? In case you haven't heard, Obama plans to balance the budget, much like Clinton did, a novel concept, would you agree?

6.fund abortion with tax dollars. Is this something you pulled out of your hat, or something that neo-con talking heads have been serving you in your kool-aid?

[mjs]

Detroitej72, your response on taxes by gun point actually reminded me of this Daily Show episode on the Tea Parties where John Oliver asks a guy to compare Obama to 1773 British government and retorts "Oh please, thats a metaphorical thumb screw, we actually took thumbs and screwed them!"


http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=224276&title=tea-party-tyranny

[Detroitej72]

Too funny!

[ccbatson]

1. Time will tell...I hope you are right...but doubt it. They didn't fire the CEO of Chrysler at the governments insistence in the 70s (remember this).

2. Yes, and one of the most valid criticisms of Bush. he did do it "holding his nose" whereas Obama needs a drool cup to cope with the sheer joy that nationalizing our economy holds for this radical Marxist.

3. Welfare on many levels...increasing make work jobs, yes, ridiculous unemployment benefits that give disincentives to getting a job, tax cuts for those that do not pay taxes=welfare.

4. He has fooled you into believing that...it is simply not true, and he hasn't even gotten started. Even if what you say were true..."squeezing" (Obama's words, not time) the produces is to kill incentive for prosperity and the American dream for all of us.

5. 4 fold for starters in the first 4 months...much more to come. The inflation that MUST follow this behavior will be more painful than the current recession.

6. Check your facts on this one...it is in the works courtesy of the Obama administration.

[mjs]

2. Yes, and one of the most valid criticisms of Bush. (Bank Bailouts) He did do it "holding his nose" whereas Obama needs a drool cup to cope with the sheer joy that nationalizing our economy holds for this radical Marxist.

Regardless, the results are the same. Politicians should be judged on their actions; not their claimed intentions. The reason the Republicans are eroding in popularity is because Bush made them look like half ass Democrats. The Democrats are supposed to be the ones that increase government spending, promise unsustainable tax cuts, get us involved in military actions that last longer than a few weeks because they ignore their generals and go in weak, reinterpret the Constitution, subsidize the bottom performers, act weak on criminals, and create new systems of welfare. At least the Democrat welfare means the down and out get bread; the Republican welfare means the most ruthless get more steak and lobster. A real conservative would have put Bank of America's $90,000 chairs up their asses.

[ccbatson]

Not at all the case....in time Obama will do far more economic damage...a huge difference. Not to excuse the error made by GWB in this regard, but as a matter of degree....not even close.

[mjs]

far more economic damage? a huge difference? as a matter of degree, not even close?

We spent over a trillion dollars already, the Dow dipped over 15%, and Michigan hit 12% unemployment. What are you predicting? $10 trillion in further debt, 1000 point Dow, and 50% unemployment?

Marxist? Come on. I've had to look up other political terms you've used; I know you have to know what a Marxist actually believes in. And the Academy for Best Drama goes to . . .

[ccbatson]

Well..4 trillion in 10 years conservatively based on Obama's proposals, 10 trillion is not an absurd number in that context.

The Dow is likely to be more resilient than that (we pray).

20 percent unemployment is not impossible (50 probabaly is).

Read Obama's book "Audacity of hope" if you doubt his affinity for socialism and Marxism. Typical modern day Marxists (like Obama) admire the "social experiment that was Communism and Socialism. They bitterly lament the failure of past attempts, but somehow believe that they can "do it right" despite the overwhelming lessons of history showing utter failure of the experiment in 100 percent of the trials.

[mjs]

Ok, I think I will. Will you?

Have you watched the Frontline special on Pakistan yet? We will have to make further decisons on it someday and I want you to know what you're talking about when you comment on what we decide.

[rb336]

Read Obama's book "Audacity of hope" if you doubt his affinity for socialism and Marxism.

like anyone here would believe YOU read it. you are merely, as usual, parroting the limbaugh/hannity BS


but somehow believe that they can "do it right" despite the overwhelming lessons of history showing utter failure of the experiment in 100 percent of the trials

sounds just like you when you talk about a totally unfetterd market

[mjs]

Typical modern day Marxists (like Obama) admire the "social experiment that was Communism and Socialism. They bitterly lament the failure of past attempts, but somehow believe that they can "do it right" despite the overwhelming lessons of history showing utter failure of the experiment in 100 percent of the trials.

Come on, I know you understand political terms. Communism and Socialism are not an experiment. Being two different things, they are experiments. What has Beck and company told you to say in response to Stewart's clips on Sweden? Please cite who you are paraphrasing when you answer.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=225113&title=the-stockholm-syndrome
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=225126&title=the-stockholm-syndrome-pt.-2

[Detroitej72]

Lets have you quote chapter and verse where Obama says he wants to transform the U.S. into a socialist nation.

I second the view that you are just repeating what your right wing idols have told you.

[ccbatson]

Who? Beck? Stewart?

Want chapter and verse? Reread Obama's books, compare and contrast to Olinsky's writings in "Rules for Radicals".

[rb336]

no one here believes yoou have ever even glanced at one of your books, and your rants sound like nothing but parrotting of those reactionary radio morons