RACE CARD=Created By Whites

[dosee]

Why does the media always assume the Race Card is played by Blacks?? Clearly Black folks in our nation did not create, invent and invoke the race card like white folks...

From slavery to separate but equal to disparate treatment to profiling..I find it troubling how so many people ignore the orgins of the 'race card"

Why???

[Detroit Stylin]

Simple, because it is much easier to scape goat instead of accepting one's role in something negative. That's not to say that the current group of idiots on the council don't use it enough however...

[cheddar bob]

There's only so many defenses you can use for enslaving a whole group of people, building a whole nation on the backs of their free labor, and then treating them like second class people. Accusing them of using the race card is one.

[Big Dog]

I'm hoping that Obama's presidency will help change this race card crap.

[dosee]

I guess our AG Holder was correct we are a nation of racial cowards... I have recently moved to another Detroit Suburb and I am ovewhelmed sometimes at the level of contempt for Detroit and Black folks .

This region is truly wicked on this issue...Why??

[lilpup]

Slavery has existed forever and still does.

[Locke09]

There are people who actually do cry "racism" where none exists. They should stop.

Then there are those who are effectively (very effectively) using the "Race Card" accusation to keep people from complaining about racist attitudes where they do exist. They should stop too.

Maybe we should call this latter thing the "Race Card Card"?

[SideLion]

Because we are 145 years removed from slavery and 40 years removed from segregation. I had nothing to do with either, nor did my family, and for you to lump me in with people that did simply because of the color of my skin makes you as bad as the people responsible for those terrible times. In fact, it probably makes you worse because you have history to learn from and failed to take the lesson.
Expecting me to take the blame for another person's actions is out of line and not going to happen. There are nations with black armies that rape, murder and maime other black men, women, and children. Should I judge you by their actions because of the color of your skin and the title, "African-American", even though you have no relation to those responsible? Should I play the "rapist/murderer" card on you because you happen to be black like those people, or would you rather I judge on on YOUR actions?

[rb336]

IThis region is truly wicked on this issue...Why??

I suspect it has something to do with the fact that the factories brought huge numbers of African Americans to the area, while simultaneously bringing a huge number of poor European Americans from the deep south up here.

[alsodave]

A landmark bill was passed 40 years ago, but that didn't stop segregation.

All sides need to get together and have meaningful dialogue about the issue of race and ethnicity in America.

I don't believe meaningful dialogue will occur on an internet forum. At least, it didn't work on the last version of this board!

[d.mcc]

A landmark bill was passed 40 years ago, but that didn't stop segregation.

Just because a bill was passed, sadly doesn't have any effect on the mentality of people. Ironically enough, the south integrated much better than the north did.

[lilpup]

Just because a bill was passed, sadly doesn't have any effect on the mentality of people. Ironically enough, the south integrated much better than the north did.I'd be careful with statements like this. General surface appearances are sometimes deceiving.

[d.mcc]

I wasn't trying to start anything lp, could be completely off base though.

[dosee]

I always found it tragic that our nation required a civil rights act to compell white folks to be civil and humane towards it fellow americans....

[Jal1012]

Because we are 145 years removed from slavery and 40 years removed from segregation. I had nothing to do with either, nor did my family, and for you to lump me in with people that did simply because of the color of my skin makes you as bad as the people responsible for those terrible times. In fact, it probably makes you worse because you have history to learn from and failed to take the lesson.
Expecting me to take the blame for another person's actions is out of line and not going to happen. There are nations with black armies that rape, murder and maime other black men, women, and children. Should I judge you by their actions because of the color of your skin and the title, "African-American", even though you have no relation to those responsible? Should I play the "rapist/murderer" card on you because you happen to be black like those people, or would you rather I judge on on YOUR actions?

Great point. At the same time consider this point of view: Black men and Black women as a whole are demonized and marginalized because of poor media images that misrepresent the true collective nature of the Black American culture. People such as myself, educated, Christian, morally upright, career-minded, and most importantly, family-oriented, get lumped in with a minute minority of women within the Black female culture that choose not to better themselves, are morally and sexually loose, and have no standards/values. The same is true for educated, Christian, morally upright, career-minded, and family-oriented Black men. The guilt by association and the need for a superior-minded race (i. e. White race) to demonize, marginalize, and ostracize a culture of people so that they can maintain economic, social, and political control within the broader American society. White people have been very methodic in maintaining their economic, social, and political supremacy in the American society. It does not intimidate me. However, for some Blacks it is both intimidating and cripples their ability to fully participate in the greatness that does exist in America.

Just my .02.

[Johnlodge]

Good points also Jal.

Unfortunately, over half of African-American children are raised in a single family home in this country.

http://datacenter.kidscount.org/data/acrossstates/Rankings.aspx?ind=107

This puts them at a significant disadvantage, and perpetuates a permanent underclass. Here in Michigan the numbers are even worse, with 70% of African American children having only one parent in the home. While not impossible to overcome, and certainly there are many very good single parents, it is another hurdle to success for an already burdened segment of society, and in this case it is not something society can easily remedy through policy.

[gibran]

generalization and sterotyping hurts all people and specificly thoes who do not see all as created equally...Social justice is where we should begin and the whole premise is that we RE-CREATE a system that ensure full participation for all...

That will need to have a willingness to understand eachother and show compassion and forgiveness..those who try to protect pwoer ultimately will lose..those that extend it to all will ultimately suceed.

MOP

[dosee]

I am so tired of the excuses from many white folks which is "i was not around 300 years ago yada,yada, yada..

I have a news flash nor was I around 300 years ago yet our nation made legal the ownership of certain property and other business opportunities just for white folks and as such these unearned benefits and privledges still have impact in 2009..

It amazes me how people will worship the sancity of the written words of our US Constitution which was composed centuries ago that still has impact in 2009 and yet out of the same mouth seek to distance the depravity and the impact of jim crow type laws and just bumps in the road ot our nation's twisted past....

Sorry but I am not buying that excuse, deflection or denial....

[detmsp]

I am so tired of the excuses from many white folks which is "i was not around 300 years ago yada,yada, yada..

I have a news flash nor was I around 300 years ago yet our nation made legal the ownership of certain property and other business opportunities just for white folks and as such these unearned benefits and privledges still have impact in 2009..

It amazes me how people will worship the sancity of the written words of our US Constitution which was composed centuries ago that still has impact in 2009 and yet out of the same mouth seek to distance the depravity and the impact of jim crow type laws and just bumps in the road ot our nation's twisted past....

Sorry but I am not buying that excuse, deflection or denial....
what's your point? i get that slavery, segregation, etc all still have an impact on society today, but i can't figure out what you're driving at here. is it that every white person today should feel personally responsible for these laws? is it that white people should be so guilt ridden that they can't say someone like MonCon is playing the race card?

[dosee]

I do not care about white guilt not the ignorance of white folks about our nation's depraved racial legacy..BTW I do not believe MC played the Race Card...The RACE CARD is a game created and invented by whites so I do not think Blacks play the race card..

[Johnlodge]

Let's see, dosee thinks the media is out to get the city council and is unfair in reporting their rampant corruption, and that only white people play the race card... Monica, that you?

[dosee]

Yes I think the media engages in playing the "RACE CARD" and yes I think this region's media in part becuase of the lack of diversity in its ranks does obessed over the shortcomings of those in the city and not other venues..

Yes I do support the notion that in our nation most Black people react to the cultural majority in a number of ways and such reaction is not playing the RACE CARD but instead it is a reaction often to white racism and often the reaction is defensive more than offensive..

Yes of course I do believe Black folks are racists and bigots and capable of the same level of depravity as any other human beings...

[lilpup]

Let's see, dosee thinks the media is out to get the city council and is unfair in reporting their rampant corruption, and that only white people play the race card... Monica, that you?Nah, I think it's one of Martha's people.

[detmsp]

I do not care about white guilt not the ignorance of white folks about our nation's depraved racial legacy..BTW I do not believe MC played the Race Card...The RACE CARD is a game created and invented by whites so I do not think Blacks play the race card..
if you don't care about white guilt or white people's ignorance of racial history, what were you posting about? I still have no idea what point your were trying to drive home?

And if black people can't play the race card, what would you call it if I (a black man) applied to be the new CEO of GM, and even though i am vastly unqualified with no experience, claimed it was because GM was being racist? would that not be a black person playing the race card?

[dosee]

detmsp,

What are you posting about?What does your post about some Black person applying for a GM CEO have to do with white folks inventing the 'RACE CARD"..BTW your shallow example referred to a Black applicant...

Let me reiterate so you can post some better retorts or posts that have some degree of logic..

In our nation white americans created the "RACE CARD" from slavery to segregation, jim crow era laws to disparate treatment and racial profiling the very idea that now a sub group of america i.e minorities.ie, Black Folks now play the "RACE CARD " is nonsense and lacks any logical or historical basis..

Yes Black Americans are racist,,Yes Black Americans are prejudice..No from my perspective have Black Americans created or invented the 'RACE CARD'..

Not please try again performing the act of being a Black apologist with more substance....Please step up

[detmsp]

What am I posting about? I was just trying to figure out the point of your post (which i still can't figure out because it was all about white people's ignorance, but then in your next post say you don't care about that)

I'm not sure you and I are in agreement on the definition of the term "race card". you seem to be implying that playing the race card means doing something racially motivated (ie, creating jim crow laws).

My interpretation of playing the race card means incorrectly blaming an event or action on racism. So like in my example, I wasn't hired because I wasn't qualified, yet I "played the race card" by claiming I didn't get hired just because I'm black.

[d.mcc]

I love that in it's first day, we have already sunk to this.

[ccbatson]

Whoa? Detmsp seems to get it...conservative?

[Detroit Stylin]

Awww hell....I guess it's time for CC to "run" the boards now....

[ccbatson]

Meaning that I am here and active? So?

[det313grrl]

really love the ignore list, no retort...:D

[Johnlodge]

Hmm, does dosee's grayed out name mean he is the first casualty of the new DYes?

[det313grrl]

interesting.

[d.mcc]

Meaning that I am here and active? So?

Wrap it up buddy

[detmich]

detmsp,

What are you posting about?What does your post about some Black person applying for a GM CEO have to do with white folks inventing the 'RACE CARD"..BTW your shallow example referred to a Black applicant...

Let me reiterate so you can post some better retorts or posts that have some degree of logic..

In our nation white americans created the "RACE CARD" from slavery to segregation, jim crow era laws to disparate treatment and racial profiling the very idea that now a sub group of america i.e minorities.ie, Black Folks now play the "RACE CARD " is nonsense and lacks any logical or historical basis..

Yes Black Americans are racist,,Yes Black Americans are prejudice..No from my perspective have Black Americans created or invented the 'RACE CARD'..

Not please try again performing the act of being a Black apologist with more substance....Please step up

Sometimes when people can't compete they need to give themdelves a crutch to explain their failures.

[ccbatson]

Wrap what up?

[lilpup]

Hmm, does dosee's grayed out name mean he is the first casualty of the new DYes?

yup

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[Detroit Stylin]

Well well well...i see Dr,. Batson skipped sex ed while in school.....

[President Sekou]

Hey how do you go about getting one of those "race cards"? They sound useful, I looked on amazon and ebay and didn't see any listed. Is it like the AMEX black card that you can only get invited to have or is this thing purchasable?

[firstandten]

Because we are 145 years removed from slavery and 40 years removed from segregation. I had nothing to do with either, nor did my family, and for you to lump me in with people that did simply because of the color of my skin makes you as bad as the people responsible for those terrible times. In fact, it probably makes you worse because you have history to learn from and failed to take the lesson.
Expecting me to take the blame for another person's actions is out of line and not going to happen. There are nations with black armies that rape, murder and maime other black men, women, and children. Should I judge you by their actions because of the color of your skin and the title, "African-American", even though you have no relation to those responsible? Should I play the "rapist/murderer" card on you because you happen to be black like those people, or would you rather I judge on on YOUR actions?


In some cultures that believe in blood feuds 145 years means absolutely nothing, its like yesterday, so in some respects you are being held to a similar standard.

Race card , racism means nothing to me on a individual basis but it means everything to me on an institutional basis, and thats where whites has have there advantages in this society. Individual statements of bigotry should be ignored, but most cases of racism in America affect "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happyness" and thats where I have problems. Blacks in very few instances control the institutions that have such an affect on peoples lives that they could be termed racist. Until institutional racism changes you will keep hearing the words race card and racism.

[gibran]

My question is what we are doing as individuals to change the paradigm to bring people together...not continue to rationalize why we "haven't" responisibility...what kind of world do we want our children to inherit? I personally recognize the past sins of humanity ...and work to try not to perpetuate those sins...I feel that one is pervasive and the is prejudice...and it is one of the toughest to overcome..when you have been victimized or perpetuated it by denying it exhists...

[ccbatson]

Check out true conservatives...race is not an issue in their ideology. Makes you wonder about your beloved liberals, doesn't it?

[ccbatson]

Reagan...Romney is closest today.

[oladub]

Mitt seems to hang around in the same circle of friends as Bush, Dodd, Obama, and McCain. Birds of a feather flock together. Guess we know how Mitt would have voted on bankers' bailouts.-

Goldman Sachs $234,275
Citigroup Inc $178,200
Merrill Lynch $173,025
Morgan Stanley $170,350
Lehman Brothers $152,000
UBS AG $123,350
Bain Capital $123,150
Bain & Co $121,475
Marriott International $121,150
Kirkland & Ellis $109,400
Compuware Corp $103,550
Credit Suisse Group $102,600
Huron Consulting Group $102,050
The Villages $102,000
PricewaterhouseCoopers $92,250
Affiliated Managers Group $82,112
JPMorgan Chase & Co $79,700
Cerberus Capital Management $78,950
American Financial Group $78,350
HIG Capital $71,675

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/co...&cid=N00000286 (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00000286)

[ccbatson]

He is "born again", and we don't have a clue how he would have voted on anything unless we ask him.

[ccbatson]

Remember too that Reagan (a former Democrat) was also "born again".

Anyone have a problem with somebody getting wise?

[4real]

Why does the media always assume the Race Card is played by Blacks??
Why???

Can you point out an example of a major media always blaming blacks for throwing out the race card.

I usually see media NOT publishing the whole truth about all sorts of ilk.

[ccbatson]

"Reagan revolution" one man a revolution made. Exceptional leadership and clarity as well as strong basic principles and ideology are the key ingredients.

Goldwater was another example. Other current examples? Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, Thompson, Jindahl......buhbye crickets.

[ccbatson]

Agreed, true conservative politicians are rare...but not extinct.

Fred Thompson, Giulliani (closer now than a few years ago), Jeb Bush, Alan Keyes.

[Gistok]

I don't think that we're likely to see another Bush in the White House, no matter if he is the best of the litter...

As for expecting a reply from the original poster of this thread, 4real... I wouldn't hold my breath. He's likely had his posting priveliges revoked (he must not have read the rules).

[Omaha]

Sorry that I don't have more time to drop in to DetroitYES more often. And I hope this post doesn't bother anyone by attempting to return to the issue of race and the "race card" topic heading.



First, let me say I’m glad to see this dialog/discussion/rant on the forum. Racism and racial justice are rarely framed in terms that don't inspire agitation and anger...and that is very understandable.



The issue of race in the U.S. has gotten more complicated and nuanced for all sides since the election of President Obama.

There is at least one on this forum who would argue that racism no longer matters because if one black person can become President, no person of color faces any real barriers limiting the achievement of anything he or she wants. That is to say this particular poster is sure that in this great nation the only real limits are our own intelligence, diligence, and dedication to success. I had this very discussion on the old forum with a frequent forum poster who's a conservative Ayn Rand devotee :)



I choose to disagree with that analysis.


BTW, in my humble opinion, racism just doesn’t apply to white/black issues...nor to just Americans. I’d argue that it was there in some capacity when Portuguese brought Africans back to Europe as slaves in the 1400s. It was there when Columbus, sailing on behalf of the Spanish, decided that Spaniards and all Europeans were superior to those inhabiting the islands that he “discovered.” Europeans have been playing the race card for quite a while.



I believe, racism, most obviously applies to clashes between “whites” and “people of color” where prejudice and power combine to deny humanity and opportunity. Historically, in the U.S., it’s the WASP who has had the power to control the opportunity dispensing institutions of our nation.

Regarding black/white issues, in the U.S., how much has changed in the last 41 years when the National Advisory Commission on Civil Disorders made, what is in my mind, this irrefutable observation?

“What white Americans have never fully understood but what the Negro can never forget—is that white society is deeply implicated in the ghetto. White institutions created it, white institutions maintain it, and white society condones it.”

I’d argue, not enough.

[ccbatson]

Good points. Systemically, it makes sense to support the ideology which holds individual rights (regardless of race/creed/color) as sacred. Namely, conservatism (or, perhaps more purely of late...libertarianism, capitalism, and objectivism).