Tea Party's a huge success accross the country

[4real]

Hundreds of thousands gather across the US in peaceful protests of our out of control government encroachment.
The quiet majority is finally waking up.

[Gannon]

4real, you don't want to be around when the 'quiet majority' really wakes up.

For real...

[rb336]

Hundreds of thousands gather across the US in peaceful protests of our out of control government encroachment.
The quiet majority is finally waking up.

Who is saying "hundreds of thousands?" Faux news? Beck? pajamas media released 60,000 nationwide, and they were one of the promoters

[Pam]

Party's


Try parties.

[ghettopalmetto]

Try parties.

See, now you're just throwing your elitist liberal education in 4real's face. Uncool.

[gnome]

Dear Friends,

For all those that think that the tax protesters were all disaffected Mccain/Bushies You might want to look at the attached web site.

What you will find that on September 16th 2008 the election was essentially a dead heat (46.3 obama to 45% mccain). The September 18th Wall Street collapse was the clear tipping point in the election. From the 16th forward, the voters turned enmass from the Republican candidate and embraced the promise of Change.

Those voters are now looking at the continued bailouts of Insurance Companies, Investment firms, Banks and Auto Companies with a jaundiced eye towards Change as they see the same continued policies of the Bush era.

Now, do partisan mouthpieces like Faux News, Rush Limbaugh and the rest have a small hand in the call to arms? A little. But it takes a lot more than Rush's jawing to get 4000 people to drive to Lansing and throw teabags around.

Cluck your tongues all you want, look down your noses at the protesters, but the fact of matter is is that more folks came out yesterday to protest taxes then ever protested the wars in Iraq or Afganistan.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html#chart

[ghettopalmetto]

More people show up to see the Lions lose every week than for all the teabagging parties combined.

[firstandten]

Hundreds of thousands gather across the US in peaceful protests of our out of control government encroachment.
The quiet majority is finally waking up.

The real reason for these bogus demonstrations is all about winning elections.
The right has to find something,anything they can use so they can start winning elections again. The 2006 and 2008 election cycles was brutal to them and it looks like the 2010 cycle will be the same if not worst.

They will manufacture anything to come up with something to regain political power.

The reason government is out of control is even with Republican tax cuts, spending was out of control on there watch. Now with Obama in office they can project that failure on him and he hasn't been in office 100 days yet.

Once the right comes up with some economic polities that makes sense and work they can have all the teaparties they want. Just make mine Earl Grey!

[gnome]

And more people show up for a NASCAR then go to all NFL games. More people vote for American Idol than in Presidential elections ... so what?

The point of the tax protestors is that the promised Change isn't happening. To dismiss the thousands of people around the country who wagged their teabags as solely disgruntled Bushies to put blinders on.

In fact to blind yourself to facts, is very Bushian.

[firstandten]

And more people show up for a NASCAR then go to all NFL games. More people vote for American Idol than in Presidential elections ... so what?

The point of the tax protestors is that the promised Change isn't happening. To dismiss the thousands of people around the country who wagged their teabags as solely disgruntled Bushies to put blinders on.

In fact to blind yourself to facts, is very Bushian.


Oh no, you're right there are more than just disgruntled Bushies, I mean you got your religious fundamentalist, your NRA types, your aryanization types and people who are just pissed that a black man is president. Oh yeah, don't forget the defense contractors and lobbyist to help keep us safe from ourselves.
a very eclectic group.

[ghettopalmetto]

The only reason any of this crap got media coverage was because Fox News promoted the hell out of it. Grassroots, for sure!

The protestors at Lafayette Square in DC didn't even dump their teabags, because they were informed that they did not have a permit to do so. One disgruntled teabagger decided instead to throw a box of tea bags over the fence onto the grounds of the White House, setting Secret Service into an immediate frenzy.

I'm not even sure what the message is supposed to be. Do they think their tax rates are too high? Or do they just not like the idea of taxation at all? I know the original Boston Tea Party had something to do with "taxation without representation".

Taxes are still far lower than they were under Reagan. But you wouldn't expect any of these zealots to know that. All they know is that when they receive a distribution from their trust fund, the government takes a healthy cut out of it first.

[MoparDan]

Interesting that none of these "teabaggers" were protesting how the government went deeper into hock over the past several years. The majority of the people that were shown here had more anti-Obama signs than anything dealing with taxation. And with the illustrious governor of my state giving a speech applauding these "patriots" only invalidates the "grassroots" movement claim even moreso.
The bottom line is they lost & have no solutions other than to continue the same policies that got us here in the first place.
A piece of advice for them: Quit yer bitchin' & get on with your lives.

[ghettopalmetto]

Seems to me that if you want more money in your pocket, you just work harder, right?

[cheddar bob]

Dear Friends,


What you will find that on September 16th 2008 the election was essentially a dead heat (46.3 obama to 45% mccain). The September 18th Wall Street collapse was the clear tipping point in the election.
Oh please, Gnome...That was right after the Republican National Convention. One would expect to see a spike for the Repubs at that time and that was the only time they made a dent in Obama's lead. Obama's lead quickly returned to previous levels and the elecetion was never in doubt IMO.

If the Wall Street problems were such a tipping point, why didn't it tip in favor of the republicans, a party that is more associated with financial rigidity?

[TKshreve]

Why is it so hard for people to understand that at one point, the upper echelon of society paid their dues for making top percentiles of money. And much of that money was given back to the Federal Government to help with other areas in need. Through the years, reduced tax rates have shifted so much money into so few peoples hands. In essence we have placed a brick of gold atop a house of cards.

Here is what baffles me the most. Why do people think that excessively taxing the rich is socialism? Can you not still make oodles of money in this country?

Like mentioned above, the harder you work - the more you make. That is the American Dream.



The United States boasted plenty of shared prosperity back in the 1950s and 1960s, years when high tax rates on high incomes discouraged speculation and nurtured a vibrant middle class economy. But those high tax rates on high incomes have disappeared over the past three decades, and the top-heavy economy that emerged from that disappearance has now gone and crashed.

----

n 1955, the first year April 15 marked the IRS filing deadline, America’s 400 richest taxpayers swallowed hard and did their civic duty. They paid their taxes. A good bit of taxes. On average, the 1955 top 400 paid 51.2 percent of their total incomes in federal income tax — and that was after making sure they were taking advantage of every deduction they had coming to them.

How much of top 400 income will go toward taxes by April 15 this year? Nothing close to 51.2 percent. Nothing even remotely close. In 2006, the most recent year with IRS stats available, our 400 most financially favored paid a mere 17.2 percent of their total incomes to Uncle Sam.

----

A half-century ago, the rich and powerful — the foremost beneficiaries of the bounty the American economy creates — made a substantial contribution to the fiscal resources the nation needed. They can certainly afford to make that contribution again.



http://www.toomuchonline.org/tmweekly.html

[Bigb23]

DetroitRoch (http://www.detroityes.com/mb/member.php?u=1111) - I only hope you are not from the town I grew up in. You have found a place to vehemently attack anybody else who opposes you're views. Congratulations, I hope you find an alternate understanding. We do discuss.


In my entire life(and its been pretty long) never have I witnessed a bunch of moronic zombie grunts as I have in todays liberal/democratic/socialist/communist/nazi party .


You people will stoop to any low to hurt others who disagree with you. You lie, cheat, brainwash kids through your bs media networks, lie about the opposition every waking breath.You have no morals whatsoever.
You are all brainwashed and you silly people blindly follow as if you are going to somehow benefit from all of this massive change.

[Bigb23]

Brutal ? :)

[cheddar bob]

These so called tea bag people are protesting the massive expansion of government. The massive waste that Bush and the democratic and republican congress started and Obama is gladly finishing.
The massive entitlement programs that are about to be instituted on the backs of hard working people while others sit all day on their rumps.
They are protesting America going from a social democracy staringt into oblivion and into complete socialism.
They are protesting what we all know is coming. The ridiculous tax increases across the board which only the working people will really suffer.
And you want to try and tie all of this into the republican party simply because Fox news commentators are with the program?
In my entire life(and its been pretty long) never have I witnessed a bunch of moronic zombie grunts as I have in todays liberal/democratic/socialist/communist/nazi party .
You people will stoop to any low to hurt others who disagree with you. You lie, cheat, brainwash kids through your bs media networks, lie about the opposition every waking breath.You have no morals whatsoever.
You are all brainwashed and you silly people blindly follow as if you are going to somehow benefit from all of this massive change.
Sorry, that is for the haves, not us have nots and especially not you have not grunts which do their dirty work.
At least with capatilism each and everyone of us have a chance to become somebody. With your agenda, it will only bring despair,more pverty,and in the end sure violence.
.
Sounds like someone's taxes are going back up.
627

[cheddar bob]

These so called tea bag people are protesting the massive expansion of government. The massive waste that Bush and the democratic and republican congress started and Obama is gladly finishing.
The massive entitlement programs that are about to be instituted on the backs of hard working people while others sit all day on their rumps.
They are protesting America going from a social democracy staringt into oblivion and into complete socialism.
They are protesting what we all know is coming. The ridiculous tax increases across the board which only the working people will really suffer.
And you want to try and tie all of this into the republican party simply because Fox news commentators are with the program?
In my entire life(and its been pretty long) never have I witnessed a bunch of moronic zombie grunts as I have in todays liberal/democratic/socialist/communist/nazi party .
You people will stoop to any low to hurt others who disagree with you. You lie, cheat, brainwash kids through your bs media networks, lie about the opposition every waking breath.You have no morals whatsoever.
You are all brainwashed and you silly people blindly follow as if you are going to somehow benefit from all of this massive change.
Sorry, that is for the haves, not us have nots and especially not you have not grunts which do their dirty work.
At least with capatilism each and everyone of us have a chance to become somebody. With your agenda, it will only bring despair,more pverty,and in the end sure violence.
.
Oh, and Chuck Adkins Or Not Chuck Adkins?

[rb336]

It just cracks me up whenever a new dittohead pops up here and we get to hear the same tired nonsense all over

[gnome]

Cheddar on your 72nd post..., the Repub convention was Sept 1-4 and McCain peaked on the 8th, when rumblings of the Wall Street collapse started to be heard By the 18th it was all over. Just look at the interactive chart I provided above.

Your supposition is based on a "what if" or "why not" arguement, I'm just pointing to what actually happened.

Your premise that the Repub Convention giving a September bounce is the exact reason the fat cats chose September. It is not a question if this or that could have happened, because it didn't. The Wall Street situation stuck a pin in that thought balloon.

I seems that many here think that the tea parties started this year, not true. They have been growing in popularity for at least a decade. yesterday's event was just it's best promoted.

[TKshreve]

Yeah, like my father. He sits on his rump all day long. Probably because he is in his 80's and is retired after working hard all his life. Or my friend Billy. Billy never worked a day in his whole life and yet he gets checks from the government, can you believe that? They pay for his housing, his medical, everything! What a lazy bum! Of course, the fact that Billy has Down's Syndrome might explain why he hasn't been able to find work to support himself.
What a bunch of parasites!


Speramus....... I don't think DetroitRoch was referring to the elderly and the disabled. Granted those people deserve all the help that society has to offer. That type of compassion is what separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

Admit though that there are many, many more people out there who take advantage of the systems that have been put into place to help the impovershed and needy. One only needs to look at welfare to open that book of despair.

While I believe in helping the needy off their feet, I do not condone forever supporting them. There is a fine line there that needs to be interpretted and solved by out leaders.

[cheddar bob]

Your supposition is based on a "what if" or "why not" arguement, I'm just pointing to what actually happened.


We agree on what happened. The why it happened is where we differ.

After the RNC, it would take roughly until the following week for the people to gestate their opinions and then take polls on those preliminary numbers. The source you posted to the poll average even supports this.

On the last day of the convention, McCain was at 43%. Four days later (9/8/08), his numbers peaked at 48.3% but then quickly slid after that. By September 18, his numbers had already slipped to 45.2%. They were already going down and that downward trend would have continued regardless of what happened on Wall Street. Surely you would agree that McCain's numbers were on the way back down and would have continued had there not been issues on Wall Street.

[gibran]

ohhh....i thought that was the Glen Beck comedy tour....

[cheddar bob]

What you will find that on September 16th 2008 the election was essentially a dead heat (46.3 obama to 45% mccain). The September 18th Wall Street collapse was the clear tipping point in the election. From the 16th forward, the voters turned enmass from the Republican candidate and embraced the promise of Change.

To be totally clear, my contention is that "The September 18th Wall Street collapse" was not the tipping point. It was just a coincidence. On 9/16, McCain was already on the way back down from his convention bounce, something that would have happened anyway.

[gnome]

You're basing your opinion on a hypothetical, based on that one could suppose if the Wall Street collapse didn't happen, McCain could have won, put a cabash on the AIG bailout, the Auto Loans and everything else.

If you look at the numbers you can suppose anything, another terror attack? Could that have happened? yep, but it didn't. An assasination? sure, but it didn't happen.

The fact is that O&M where neck and neck on the 18th. That is not an opinion, not a what if or maybe that, a fact. Don't mean to sound harsh, it is just a fact. I wish the Bushies would look at the facts just as I wish the Obamammas would do the same.

But that's just my opinion, not fact.

[gibran]

I am so gald to see tha neocon agenda is trying to resurect itself with fear and labeling again...the more these guys speak the more transparent they are...and if they are intiminated by moderates who have a "bigger agenda for America" than running it into a corner ( yes, it was run onto a corner over the last eight years) then let them have their misguided and misinformed "tea parties" that is their right as Americans...and thank God Barak is in charge for if we had another eight years like the last ...the Big Governement they fear so much with Barak would be small in comparison to the Bigger "New World Order" that the neocons proposed....

[Bigb23]

While I believe in helping the needy off their feet, I do not condone forever supporting them. There is a fine line there that needs to be interpretted and solved by out leaders.

I agree too - but with the jobs to people ratio, we have a a ways to go yet.

And I'll bet S.E. Michigan is closer to 22 % off the books.


In February, Michigan again reported the highest jobless rate, 12.0
percent. The states with the next highest rates were South Carolina,
11.0 percent; Oregon, 10.8 percent; North Carolina, 10.7 percent; Cali-
fornia and Rhode Island, 10.5 percent each; and Nevada, 10.1 percent.

Unemployment rates were higher in February than a year earlier in all 372 metropolitan areas. Among the 310 metropolitan areas for which nonfarm payroll data were available, 270 areas recorded over-the-year employment decreases, 37 reported gains, and 3 had no change

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm

[Bearinabox]

He knows what I meant. He just felt the need to twist and spin just like the liberal media.
Capitalism takes care of its needy whereas this socialistic agenda they have planned will take care of the rest of the freeloaders that are not already cheating the system.

As far as me lumping democrats,socialists,nazis,communists and liberals all into one well, its because all of you are under the same deomcratic party flag and that is indisputable.
Hell, even your defacto leader Soros.is a Jewish Nazi. A jewish Nazi!!!! My gammy is turning over in her grave at the thought of any normal jewish person aligning themselves with this monster.

The rest of your comments are hogwash as were these two so there is no need to be dragged into your liberal propaganda bs
Can't argue with crazy...

[Bigb23]

Hell, even your defacto leader Soros.is a Jewish Nazi. A jewish Nazi!!!! My gammy is turning over in her grave at the thought of any normal jewish person aligning themselves with this monster.


The man is just crazy. Meds please.

[rb336]

Capitalism takes care of its needy

How so? funny, I don't see slums in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, etc. ditto for NZ.

[gnome]

Oh, a coincidence is when two girls show up to the prom in identical dresses, or when you're thinking about your sister and she calls you on the phone. Two random events, connected by circumstance. Change the events of the girls going to different proms and there is no kwink-a-dink; if sis calls someone else, or you have your phone turned off, again, no coincidence.

A cause and effect is different.

If McCain or Obama's numbers had shown either a constant level or had started at one point and continued on a single path one could make assumptions based on their projected paths. However, both candidates rose and fell throughout the entire campaign.

Each of rises and fell were based on cause and effect. Hillary drops out, Obama goes up; McCain picks Phailin and his rise. Phailin is interviewed by Kathie Couric and McCain falls. Cause and Effect.

[cheddar bob]

You're basing your opinion on a hypothetical,
And you're supposing that the decline in McCain's numbers were caused by Wall Street. That's not a fact, it's a hypothetical on your part. It's a fact that his numbers declined after Wall Street's problems, but that doesn't mean that is why they declined. It's also a fact that McCain's numbers dropped after his convention bounce.

So why did they fall? Wall Street? Perhaps, but if you look at the graph you will see that McCain's numbers were generally around 42%-44% for the three months leading up to the convention. Right after the convention those numbers spiked at about 48% and within three weeks of the convention they had returned to the 42%-44% level. We know what happened but you say that it happened because of Wall Street and I'm showing you that the trends support the idea that levels would have dropped because the "statistical dead heat" was just an abberation based on outside factors (the convention).

[Flanders]

The man is just crazy. Meds please.

So this SN just suddenly appears on a political thread and plays judge and jury by attacking certain members who have been posting on the DYes website for years, w/o even a how do you do?

hmmm....color me suspicious.

;)

[cheddar bob]

So this SN just suddenly appears on a political thread and plays judge and jury by attacking certain members who have been posting on the DYes website for years, w/o even a how do you do?

hmmm....color me suspicious.

;)
Hence the "Chuck Adkins Or Not Chuck Adkins".

[gnome]

sure looks like an impasse to me

[Bigb23]

sure looks like an impasse to me

Not yet. :mad:

[Bigb23]

Another poster thought I was Jack Lessenberry. I took that as a big compliment.

No big deal, Jack. ;)

[cheddar bob]

Not Chuck Adkins. However, you DO know me Cheddar. Well, sort of. Let's just say that you complimented me once and leave it at that. ;)

Another poster thought I was Jack Lessenberry. I took that as a big compliment.
Not you, I was proprosing that DetroitRoch was Chuck Adkins. They seem to share the same wild, accusatory paranoia.

[cheddar bob]

sure looks like an impasse to me
Yep. But at least it's over something stupid like why McCain's numbers dropped and not over something important like why Obama lost an election.

[Jimaz]

630 (http://xahlee.org/p/alice/alice-ch07.html)

A Mad Tea-Party
(http://xahlee.org/p/alice/alice-ch07.html)
A bright idea came into Alice's head. "Is that the reason so many tea-things are put out here?" she asked.

"Yes, that's it," said the Hatter with a sigh: "it's always tea-time, and we've no time to wash the things between whiles."

"Then you keep moving round, I suppose?" said Alice.

"Exactly so," said the Hatter: "as the things get used up."

"But what happens when you come to the beginning again?" Alice ventured to ask.

"Suppose we change the subject," the March Hare interrupted, yawning. "I'm getting tired of this. I vote the young lady tells us a story."

[Flanders]

Well first off Im an atheist through and through who thinks jesus was probably just a cool hippy when hippys were people and not the pests that they have become but thats besides the point.

I dont want any of our welfare or any other programs cut. What I do not want is them to be expanded and abused even more than they are.

There are way too many cheaters in our system now and it needs to be cleaned, not cut.

I like the way our system is set up right now we just need to stop the greed.

What methods do you think would be successful in determining who is truly cheating the system, and of course you are aware that some if not many of those cheaters have innocent children who would be the ones who really suffer the consequences of "cleaning" their parent(s) out of the system.

As long as the system continues to make it more and more difficult for even those who sincerely wish to escape the grip of poverty, due to the rising and high cost of living, and the massive outsourcing and offshoring of jobs that could be or were performed by those with even above average intelligence, education, and skills, I don't see how the percentage of citizens that are permanently, temporarily, partially or completely dependent on government support to survive will be significantly reduced anytime soon. In fact it appears that the percentage is going to increase unabated.

When politicians state that new jobs will need to be created to supplant those unrecoverable jobs that are gone for good, it makes me laugh. As if many, if not most of those "new" jobs can't be exported as well. Maybe more than 2/3rds of the country will need to be publicly employed by government, by the middle of the century, in order to be employed at all.

[oladub]

This local Chicago reporter goes right to the guy with the most outragious sign, asserts her ignorance, and then cuts the guy off. The crowd doesn't like how the reporter slanted her report. One woman takes the reporter on. CNN chose not to play that part. I watched the national CNN coverage and thought it was fair and balanced. This was Chicago.

Note the sign shown at the 4:02 mark - "Republicans Suck too". The airhead reporter was stuck in her ditzy Republicans vs. Democrats paradyne.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd2tg8gxCDU&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edailypaul%2Ecom%2Fnode%2F9 0003&feature=player_embedded

[Bearinabox]

Hence the "Chuck Adkins Or Not Chuck Adkins".
Roch's profile says he's 35 and retired. Sure sounds like Chuck to me.

[gibran]

The tea party members don't listen to Fox
632

[Bigb23]

I'm still trying to find out where he's even coming from. He's like Mikey, he hates everything.

[Bigb23]

DetroitRoch - you just came on here pissin' for a fight. The rest of us read the posts and respond in a decent, yet informative manner. You're one of those guy's, (Ahem), that are going to hang out in one side of the forum to antagonize people. Well, state your case, but don't make everything seem like a hopeless mess.

[ghettopalmetto]

I did state my case regarding both parties and my utter dislike (and some likes)for both and yet, I was attacked . By the left no less. (go figure)

Now u wanna cry victim? Please Beave. I hear Whitey callin. Its time to play.

Well for one, Y-O-U can't spell the word "you", so Y-O-U already have that working against Y-O-U.

I guess I missed the part where we were supposed to be impressed with how cool you are, what with the casual slander and intentionally misspelled words. My apologies. I've been out of junior high for a while, so pardon me if I'm a bit rusty on this "credibility through coolness" stuff.

[cheddar bob]

Roch's profile says he's 35 and retired. Sure sounds like Chuck to me.
When you're too fat and lazy to work you can just call yourself retired? Sweet, pass the gravy.

[Detroitej72]

As I stated and proved time and time again, if you guys have no real argument, you resort to attacking people and trying to put thm down.
Aw, sorry lefty.

That post of yours sure sounds like you engage in a little attacking as well.

[ghettopalmetto]

Can someone tell me how the "ignore" function works?

[MoparDan]

John Stewart nails it perfectly.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2009/04/09/its-supposed-to-taste-like-a-shit-taco

[ccbatson]

This robust turnout is occurring before the Obama agenda goes into effect....just wait until people feel that pain. It will not be just conservatives demonstrating then.

[MoparDan]

Can someone tell me how the "ignore" function works?

These are the instructions I found although I haven't tried it.:
Dealing with Troublesome Users
Can I block posts, emails and messages from specific users?
If there are particular members that bother you and you do not want to see their posts or receive Private Messages and Emails from them, then you can add these members to your 'Ignore List'. There are several ways to do this:
Through your User Control Panel: User CP (http://www.detroityes.com/mb/usercp.php), Settings & Options, Edit Ignore List (http://www.detroityes.com/mb/profile.php?do=ignorelist). Then, type their name into the empty text box and click 'Okay'.

[Roq]

More people show up to see the Lions lose every week than for all the teabagging parties combined.

Spot on ghettopalmetto.

[Detroitej72]

They ought to protest this Republican Recession were in. Hopefully it wont become another Republican Depression.

[ccbatson]

Like I said, just the beginning.

[ccbatson]

Got to love Bob. More true today (by far) then when that movie was made.

[rb336]

This robust turnout is occurring before the Obama agenda goes into effect....just wait until people feel that pain. It will not be just conservatives demonstrating then.

you have an extremely broad definition of "robust"

[Stosh]

This whole crapfest reminded me of a quote from JFK's unspoken speech in the Trade Mart in Dallas the day he died. Paraphrased below, with references to the 60's omitted.

This link between leadership and learning is not only essential at the community level. It is even more indispensable in world affairs. Ignorance and misinformation can handicap the progress of a city or a company, but they can, if allowed to prevail in foreign policy, handicap this country's security. In a world of complex and continuing problems, in a world full of frustrations and irritations, America's
leadership must be guided by the lights of learning and reason or else those who confuse rhetoric with reality and the plausible with the possible will gain the popular ascendancy with their seemingly swift and simple solutions to every world problem.

There will always be dissident voices heard in the land, expressing opposition without alternatives, finding fault but never favor, perceiving gloom on every side and seeking influence without responsibility. Those voices are inevitable. But today other voices are heard in the land -- voices preaching doctrines wholly unrelated to reality, doctrines which apparently assume that words will suffice without weapons, that vituperation is as good as victory and that peace is a sign of weakness.

We cannot expect that everyone, to use the phrase of a decade ago, will "talk sense to the American people." But we can hope that fewer people will listen to nonsense.

[ccbatson]

Tens of thousands is robust by any standards. By liberal standards, it is unheard of. Can you imagine if ORF had 1/100th of that at one of her rallys?

[d.mcc]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=224275&title=nationwide-tax-protests

Tens of thousands is robust by any standards???

So...the 80,000 people in one location for an acceptance speech is what???

[firstandten]

After we go thru all the BS this is the real reason for the tea party


http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/cnns-susan-roesgen-teabagging-is-party.html


America takes one step forward then two steps back.

[oladub]

One of the background stories concerning the tea parties is that the Republican Party was watching carefully to see what was on the signs looking for an cue suggesting which way the Republican Party should go in order to survive.

The following two videos offer a contrast. The first speech is by Rep. Barrett (R) in Greenville, S. Carolina. Rep. Barrett voted for Bush's bailout. The crowd did not forgive him and about bood him off the stage. He tried to rally the crowd by impuning Obama but the crowd would have none of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QsY2r7HbTM

If anyone needs an antidote to the MSM coverage and ridicule, here is an unknown speaker, Mark Eggleston, at the Albany, NY tea party. This guy is not mainstream Republican, maybe not even Republican, but the crowd is totally behind him.

part1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l83npMGm8Is
part2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IFt8nbrALk

Republicans, pay attention. Note which message sells.

[Big Dog]

I think the message that will sell and is being bought, is the one expounded by Rush Limbo, who is the real RNC, not Steele.

[ejames01]

What mass media empire? What makes him a Nazi? What makes him a socialist?

[oldredfordette]

Tell me something Batson. Did you attend any of the teabaggings? Did you finally shut off your computer and go do something?

I have respect for anybody who stands by their beliefs. Those people left their houses to make their point. I disagreed with about 95% of the attendees, however many there were, but there were nuggets of intelligence out there. Besides, we ignore the other viewpoint at our peril.

However, to call them the Quiet Majority is laughable. The majority spoke in November. There was nothing quiet about it.

[Bigb23]

DetroitRoch - did you migrate over from the Craigslist Rants and Raves ? You make Cc look pretty good about now. :mad:

[Bigb23]

DetroitRoch - did you migrate over from the Craigslist Rants and Raves ? You make Cc look pretty good about now. :mad:


If you wanna know what the anti-christ is, just look at any zombie liberal.

Now we know what you wear on your sleeves.

[Pam]

Speaker booed at tea bag thing in Fla.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkOwsIIIe5I

[ccbatson]

I didn't know that Sorros was a German national socialist...is this true?

[oldredfordette]

As much as I hate to interrupt your hate filled misinformation with a little fact:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200702050005

In his column for the February 12 edition of The New Republic, editor-in-chief Martin Peretz cut out a key portion of a transcript in attacking billionaire philanthropist and progressive financier George Soros for his January 27 comment at the World Economic Forum that the United States has "to go through a certain de-Nazification process." Peretz claimed that Soros' comment was "twisted" because Soros "himself experienced something of Nazism," adding that Soros was "a young cog in the Hitlerite wheel."

Peretz's smear of Soros (a Hungarian-born Jew who survived the Holocaust) echoed the factually dubious accusations leveled against Soros by right-wing pundits David Horowitz and Richard Poe in their discredited book, The Shadow Party: How George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and Sixties Radicals Seized Control of the Democratic Party (Nelson Current, 2006). Like Horowitz and Poe, who claimed that Soros "survived [the Holocaust] by assimilating to Nazism," Peretz pointed to Soros' experience as a 14-year-old boy in Nazi-controlled Hungary to suggest that he collaborated with the Nazis.

As explained in Michael T. Kaufman's biography of Soros, Soros: The Life and Times of a Messianic Billionaire (Knopf, 2002), Soros' father attempted to protect his family from Nazi persecution by paying an employee of Hungary's Ministry of Agriculture named Baumbach to take in Soros, "ostensibly as his godson." Soros accompanied his "godfather" as he went to oversee the confiscation of property from Hungarian Jews. Peretz, however, cropped out a key portion from the transcript of a December 20, 1998, 60 Minutes segment in which interviewer Steve Kroft asked Soros about those activities. While Kroft noted that Soros "went out with this protector of yours," Peretz left that out of the transcript, suggesting that Soros, at the age of 14, went out on his own and, in Kroft's words, "helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

[oldredfordette]

Except you didn't hear it on 60 minutes yourself. Try again!

[oldredfordette]

If you could figure, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Flanders]

Ok, Its time to go out and besides, I can't feed the trolls anymore.

Have a blessed day!:rolleyes:


84 posts in <5 days since registering?

If that isn't trolling, then I don't know what is.

Ccbatson has some new competition for total post counts.

...btw, your logged on indicator is still glowing red.

[firstandten]

84 posts in <5 days since registering?

If that isn't trolling, then I don't know what is.

Ccbatson has some new competition for total post counts.

...btw, your logged on indicator is still glowing red.


Like I told Cc - " Oh BTW if you can ever figure out a way to make money on inflated post counts
I'll do your infomercials, we'll be millionaires and can both bitch about that socialist Obama's 39% tax rate"

Flanders, I think we have a ground floor opportunity here, you write the copy , I'll do the ShamWow message and we can both go riding off into the sunset.

[ccbatson]

Interesting, just like with spelling obsessions, when the subject confounds liberals, they resort to trivial distractions (like post counts).

Anyway, to get back on track, we are discussing the success of the conservative protests on this thread, and I contend that this is a very early effort that will likely blossom tremendously over the next few years.

In addition, the benefits of returning to smaller government and strengthened individual liberty (property rights) will benefit every single US citizen, even the liberals who have been conned into believing in a socialist utopia. How is that for reaching across the aisle?

[firstandten]

Interesting, just like with spelling obsessions, when the subject confounds liberals, they resort to trivial distractions (like post counts).

Cc its not too much you can say on here that would confound any body, I just want to become a capitalist like you and complain about Obama raising my taxes


Anyway, to get back on track, we are discussing the success of the conservative protests on this thread, and I contend that this is a very early effort that will likely blossom tremendously over the next few years.).

The convservative republican is one or two election cycles away from being irrevelent, you need to come up with something that makes sense to the american people fast, and I don't think throwing the socialism word around is going to get you there



In addition, the benefits of returning to smaller government and strengthened individual liberty (property rights) will benefit every single US citizen, even the liberals who have been conned into believing in a socialist utopia. How is that for reaching across the aisle?

Serious question bats... which would you rather have smaller government or government that works ? And just remember just because government is small it doesn't necessary means that it works.. In his own way thats what Obama is trying to say.
Anyway, bravo to you for reaching across the aisle, there may be hope for you yet.

[oladub]

firstandten asked, "which would you rather have smaller government or government that works ?"

Both. Napoleon and some other...ummm...leaders have developed great bureaucracies that made government work especially for the leaders. Some other governments have accomplished a lot by borrowing from future generations or inflating their money supply. A better trick would be to accomplish more with less government. Government could, for instance, focus on securing our personal liberties instead of giving huge wads of our children's money to rich bankers and bureaucrats like Obama and Bush have.

[ghettopalmetto]

Both. Napoleon and some other...ummm...leaders have developed great bureaucracies that made government work especially for the leaders. Some other governments have accomplished a lot by borrowing from future generations or inflating their money supply. A better trick would be to accomplish more with less government. Government could, for instance, focus on securing our personal liberties instead of giving huge wads of our children's money to rich bankers and bureaucrats like Obama and Bush have.

Sure, why not? Who needs a financial system? Just let the whole banking sector collapse, our money becomes worthless, and we get Argentinian-style inflation. But at least we'll have less government.

[firstandten]

Both. Napoleon and some other...ummm...leaders have developed great bureaucracies that made government work especially for the leaders. Some other governments have accomplished a lot by borrowing from future generations or inflating their money supply. A better trick would be to accomplish more with less government. Government could, for instance, focus on securing our personal liberties instead of giving huge wads of our children's money to rich bankers and bureaucrats like Obama and Bush have.

Oladub I know that is the idea outcome but too many people have framed this debate as

Large government = bad
Small government = good

Personally, I want a government that works for especially the people of "main street" The wall street types will get over no matter what.

If government was small and was working for me I would have no beef , the republicans and Clinton had over 20 years to prove this point.

At this point I want something that works and I don't want to frame my options as big or small.

[ccbatson]

Firstandten....you can find what you are apparently looking for in Canada, Europe, or even Russia. Big government is contrary to what sets (or, had set) the US apart (and above) every other social system in history.

[firstandten]

Firstandten....you can find what you are apparently looking for in Canada, Europe, or even Russia. Big government is contrary to what sets (or, had set) the US apart (and above) every other social system in history.

What you will find in those areas with the exeception of Russia is a better social safety net for its citizens. Also I don't know if the US has ever had small government. Don't confuse lassez-faire capitalism with small goverment there's no correlation.

[ghettopalmetto]

Firstandten....you can find what you are apparently looking for in Canada, Europe, or even Russia. Big government is contrary to what sets (or, had set) the US apart (and above) every other social system in history.

With a straight face, you can classify the largest organization in the world as historically synonymous with "small government"? Hah!

[rb336]

What you will find in those areas with the exeception of Russia is a better social safety net for its citizens. Also I don't know if the US has ever had small government. Don't confuse lassez-faire capitalism with small goverment there's no correlation.

exactly. actually, from a historic standpoint, bigger government in the US has been a boon to businesses of all sizes

[oladub]

exactly. actually, from a historic standpoint, bigger government in the US has been a boon to businesses of all sizes

What's your basis for saying that? I realize that big government likes to work hand in hand with large corporations. They often together drown small businesses with paperwork and regulations that large businesses can more easily handle. How, for instance, does big government help Amish farmers as much as Monsanto?

[ccbatson]

Relative to capitalistic policies and tendencies...historically, the US has been the least socialistic power. Still true today, but rapidly becoming less so, to our eventual great misfortune.

[rb336]

What's your basis for saying that? I realize that big government likes to work hand in hand with large corporations. They often together drown small businesses with paperwork and regulations that large businesses can more easily handle. How, for instance, does big government help Amish farmers as much as Monsanto?

Simple. Back in the days of the 50s and 60s, virtually every sector of the economy prospered, and the top marginal rates were from 70% to 85%. Growth in constant dollars was the largest we have seen, and it was spread across the economic spectrum. middle class grew, small businesses flourished, etc. Why? massive infrastructure development, for one thing

[ghettopalmetto]

Simple. Back in the days of the 50s and 60s, virtually every sector of the economy prospered, and the top marginal rates were from 70% to 85%. Growth in constant dollars was the largest we have seen, and it was spread across the economic spectrum. middle class grew, small businesses flourished, etc. Why? massive infrastructure development, for one thing

And it should go without saying that China's enormous economic expansion has coincided with massively increased investment in its own infrastructure, as well as its flirtation with capitalism.

But, you know, what could we possibly learn from a bunch of communists?

[oladub]

Simple. Back in the days of the 50s and 60s, virtually every sector of the economy prospered, and the top marginal rates were from 70% to 85%. Growth in constant dollars was the largest we have seen, and it was spread across the economic spectrum. middle class grew, small businesses flourished, etc. Why? massive infrastructure development, for one thing

Then, following your logic that federal spending brings prosperity, the middle class should be doing even better after Bush and with Obama. Massive infrastructure development is one thing. Other things might be that there was less regulation of small businesses, fewer illegal aliens to undercut middle class wages, jobs hadn't been sent overseas, government had less interest to pay on its debt, the US was still resupplying war ravished countries in the 50's, and the Vietnam war put a lot of people to work in the late 60's


But, you know, what could we possibly learn from a bunch of communists?

After killing 35,000,000 Chinese citizens and some other mishaps, the Communist leadership started experimenting with free market capitalism and did something right. Suddenly, China had a surplus of food and a positive balance of trade. Just prior ro submitting his Porkulus spending bill, President Obama's bill had only 12% of its spending designated for infrastructure. Are you criticizing his plan and saying that China's plan, which is almost solid infrastructure spending, is better?

[rb336]

No, because the reps have focused spending on non-infrastructure projects, and the corporatists from reagan on down have actively demolished labor by: a) promoting, via tax incentives, the movement of manufacturing jobs to other countries; b) shifting the burdon of taxes from the wealthy to the middle class and labor; c) promoted the creation of megacorporations via mergers, etc. thus creating entities answerable to no one

[oladub]

No, because the reps have focused spending on non-infrastructure projects, and the corporatists from reagan on down have actively demolished labor by: a) promoting, via tax incentives, the movement of manufacturing jobs to other countries; b) shifting the burdon of taxes from the wealthy to the middle class and labor; c) promoted the creation of megacorporations via mergers, etc. thus creating entities answerable to no one

Oh, Rb, I just knew you would come around once you understood that the bailout, particularly the Bush Wall Street bailout, that Senator Obama voted for, shifted money from the middle class and labor and into pockets on Wall Street and favored the megacorporation banks thus creating entities answerable to no one. In fact, Paulson's Treasury department didn't have to answer to Congress. Speaking of corporatism, you forgot to mention that the privately owned Federal Reserve also is exempt from Congressional audits.

How exactly is all the ditsy non-infrastructure spending in Porkulus going to more effectively turn around the economy than the infra-structure packed stimulus package that the Chinese government came up with?

[rb336]

Oh, Rb, I just knew you would come around once you understood that the bailout, particularly the Bush Wall Street bailout, that Senator Obama voted for, shifted money from the middle class and labor and into pockets on Wall Street and favored the megacorporation banks thus creating entities answerable to no one. In fact, Paulson's Treasury department didn't have to answer to Congress. Speaking of corporatism, you forgot to mention that the privately owned Federal Reserve also is exempt from Congressional audits.

How exactly is all the ditsy non-infrastructure spending in Porkulus going to more effectively turn around the economy than the infra-structure packed stimulus package that the Chinese government came up with?

I never approved of the bailout the way it was constructed. The stimulus bill is HEAVY on infrastructure, but i do wish there was more

[ccbatson]

Careful what you wish for Rb.

[Detroitej72]

No, because the reps have focused spending on non-infrastructure projects, and the corporatists from reagan on down have actively demolished labor by: a) promoting, via tax incentives, the movement of manufacturing jobs to other countries; b) shifting the burdon of taxes from the wealthy to the middle class and labor; c) promoted the creation of megacorporations via mergers, etc. thus creating entities answerable to no one

Well stated Rb.

[ccbatson]

Gallows humor between Rb and Detroitej72?

[maxx]

"... Fox's record ratings during the beginning of Obama's presidency quickly put an end to Ailes's fears that he would be bad for business. The network's audience hit stratospheric levels as the tea party rebellion provided a powerful story line that ran through Fox's coverage.Sometimes Fox personalities took an active role in building the movement, something that Ailes was careful to check if it became too overt....'There would not have been a tea party without Fox,' Sal Russo, a former Reagan gubernatorial aide and the founder of the national Tea Party Express tour, told me...'

From "Fox News made a circus out of the Republican Party. And boy, does Roger Ailes regret it now" by Gabriel Sherman, New York magazine, May 30, 2011.

[The power of the media to make or break a political movement.]

[Jimaz]

The Elephant in the Green Room (http://nymag.com/news/media/roger-ailes-fox-news-2011-5/)

[maxx]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/house-republicans-food-assistance-families-azaleas_n_876568.html?ref=fb&src=sp

House Republicans Cut Food Assistance For Low-Income Families While Protecting Azaleas (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/14/house-republicans-food-assistance-families-azaleas_n_876568.html?ref=fb&src=sp)

[maxx]

The Elephant in the Green Room (http://nymag.com/news/media/roger-ailes-fox-news-2011-5/)
That's the article. My friend is going to be upset that she could have read this online for free. But she probably subscribes to New York magazine for the NYC news too.