CC Bats - the Insurgent. Mister hit and run.

[1KielsonDrive]

That Bats (CC) is at it again. He's a real hit and run guy, making quick, hard hitting comments and cute remarks to every post on DY. CC must be superhuman, or maybe he's computer generated. The guy is prolific. I am AMAZED at his ability to read, critique and comment on every single issue of the day. CC, when are you starting your own website and blog? Man, am I ever looking forward to that.

[cheddar bob]

You know there's an ignore function, right? Works great except for when people quote him.

[reddog289]

I myself could never post enuff stuff that get people worked up as much as CC does.

[rb336]

not so much worked up as laughing hysterically

[Bigb23]

Cc who ? The man is a legend in his own mind.

[Bigb23]

This message is hidden because ccbatson is on your ignore list (http://www.detroityes.com/mb/profile.php?do=ignorelist). :D

[detmich]

What is wrong with you people? The guy just posts like everyone else. Get over it. This whole thread is a little immature.

[mjs]

I think he actually helps by assisting others to point out the specifics of whats wrong with many of the far right's arguments. A First Amendment basis is that if you allow everyone to speak, the wrong ideas will become obvious. Whereas silencing certain viewpoints removes the ability for people to learn just how wrong some ideas are. Its why talk show hosts on the right and left either don't ask the other side questions or interrupt their answers. If you want to learn something, watch the round table discussions.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "This whole thread is a little immature."

I'm starting to like you :D

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "I think he actually helps by assisting others to point"

I think he's legitimately more intelligent than the majority of you/us, and you can't deal with it. He doesn't bother me at all. On the contrary, his insights although seemingly skewed at times, are refreshing.

[mjs]

I'm saying he doesn't bother me and that he provides a counterpoint. He definently keeps the place interesting and most of my responses to him is to join in as part of the entertainment. Sometimes I think the majority of the stuff he says is just to entertain himself by watching everyone else's reaction.

I'd say Oladub provides the most amount of ideas that come from a new perspective and he provides alot more sources, but Batson is right in that this is a left leaning board. But hey, its a board about Detroit and Detroit hasn't even ran republicans in decades. I'd expect GrandRapidsYes would be fairly right leaning.

[WolverinesA2]

Sometimes I think the majority of the stuff he says is just to entertain himself by watching everyone else's reaction.


That's called "trolling." Ccbatson is a troll. Let's look at the facts:

He's got nearly 1500 posts already, more than almost any other person here. And almost ALL of them are in the "non-Detroit" forum. Why? This is DetroitYES, why doesn't he post more stuff in the main Detroit forum? Because he's here specifically to troll a "left-wing" forum and he can't do his political baiting in the main forum so he does it in this one.

Since he participates almost exclusively in political discussions in a forum that's about Detroit, I have to wonder, why post here at all? Why not post on a political forum? Answer: he's here to stir the pot. It's truly sad and pathetic actually, that a grown man gets his jollies by trolling people on an internet forum.

[Islandman]

Quote: "I think he actually helps by assisting others to point"

I think he's legitimately more intelligent than the majority of you/us, and you can't deal with it. He doesn't bother me at all. On the contrary, his insights although seemingly skewed at times, are refreshing.

Legitimately more intelligent huh? At first I wanted you to qualify that statement, but now, not so much. I think I can find you some pond water that is also quite refreshing if it's dumped over you, but you may not necessarily want to drink it.

[detmich]

Legitimately more intelligent huh? At first I wanted you to qualify that statement, but now, not so much. I think I can find you some pond water that is also quite refreshing if it's dumpled over you, but you may not necessarily want to drink it.

Damn islandman, did you just eat a shwarma? get some mints dude.

[1KielsonDrive]

Hey detmich, thanks for recognizing one of my finer qualities. In case you don't get it - it's immaturity. I've also been known to be humourous, sarcastic and facetious. Or is it facetiousity? Oh well, it's fun regardless.

[1KielsonDrive]

BTW, I'm not irritated nor am I really interested in CC Bats posts. I'm more curious about his/her/its rapid fire, glib delivery. Serious? Intelligent? You gotta be kidding.

[detmich]

Wait, 1keilsondrive and Islandman are the same person? Cool to know.

[1KielsonDrive]

detmich, you've only discovered one of my personalities.

[Sstashmoo]

""Wait, 1keilsondrive and Islandman are the same person?""

Yeah Oops!

[Islandman]

Damn islandman, did you just eat a shwarma? get some mints dude.

Detmich, I have no idea who 1KielsonDrive is, but I concur with him entirely.

People on this site have actually met me. :cool:

Back to your quote: Would you like it if I ate 2-3 of those delicious treats without wiping my hands or eating a mint, then ran around and shook hands and said hello to everyone in the room? The answer is no, yet that is what happens here on a daily basis.

I know walls that listen better than some people on here. Posting inane, nonsensical shit is speech to some people, just like you can shit on a piece of cardboard and call it art.

To be honest thought, don't really care, it's just funny how some people defend him and don't see how fucking annoying he is to MOST people. Seems these are also the people that haven't had to listen to years of the same BS from him or people that (gasp!) agree with him.

But, as CheddarBob pointed out, the Ignore function does the trick, though the quoters kill it sometimes.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "some people defend him and don't see how fucking annoying he is to MOST people. "

Fuckinay dude, just ignore his posts. There is no rule here that says you must read every thread and post therein. There are entire threads I never read because they don't interest me.

[Islandman]

Quote: "some people defend him and don't see how fucking annoying he is to MOST people. "

Fuckinay dude, just ignore his posts. There is no rule here that says you must read every thread and post therein. There are entire threads I never read because they don't interest me.

I just said that is what I do. What you don't get is that there are interesting topics that get railroaded because of his obssesive compulsion, as well as superficial agenda. If you don't see how that is a detriment to this entire community, I guess you don't mind floating pieces of shit in a public pool either.

"Just swim over there!"

Good answer.

[Sstashmoo]

I have to admit, these are some of the worst analogies I've ever read. I thought mine sucked. oy

[detmich]

I just said that is what I do. What you don't get is that there are interesting topics that get railroaded because of his obssesive compulsion, as well as superficial agenda. If you don't see how that is a detriment to this entire community, I guess you don't mind floating pieces of shit in a public pool either.

"Just swim over there!"

Good answer.

IM, CC is far from the largest detrimental force in this "community". Sstashmoo is right, don't read his posts. It really is that simple.

[ejames01]

The problem with that is that it kills good discussions. I don't want to click on 15 threads to find 4 or 5 that would be worthwhile to read or continue.

Just take a look at the topics on this forum. I'm sure more than 80% of them have ccbatson as the author of the last post.


Quote: "some people defend him and don't see how ***** annoying he is to MOST people. "

****dude, just ignore his posts. There is no rule here that says you must read every thread and post therein. There are entire threads I never read because they don't interest me.

[ccbatson]

I think the truth of the content is what bothers people most.

[mjs]

It could be true that people are bothered that the truth of the content is so low.

[Islandman]

I have to admit, these are some of the worst analogies I've ever read. I thought mine sucked. oy

I'm not trying to win an Analogy Olympics with you, or anything else for that matter. Didn't expect you to agree with or get it based on some of your posts, so no surprises there.

Simply put, as the last poster said, he brings nothing to many INTERESTING discussions which have a chance of going somewhere until he decides to put his 20,000 cents on it.

And once again for the people in the back, he is on my Ignore list. I don't read any of his posts. It's the first thing I did after logginginto the new site. There are plenty of other people on here with differing viewpoints that actually have something to say.

Good to see you can still have cheerleaders even though you don't have a team. :rolleyes:

[ccbatson]

Case in point MJS...thanks for volunteering to demonstrate the cognitive dissonance.

[rb336]

if there is so much truth in what you say, why is it you have never, as in not even once, provided an iota of fact to back yourself up?

[mjs]

Double think?

[ccbatson]

Absolutes truths are self evident Rb...you should know that. A is A....existants exist.

[mjs]

Unless Rush or Bush says that three fingers are four or enhanced interrogation isn't torture or there's such a term as enemy combatants. I'm telling you, the master of double think.

[ccbatson]

Only the bizarre 3 to 4 finger example is a valid examples of false conclusions (and it is imaginary/arbitrary) The others are, in fact, valid conclusions, descriptive of the issues that they address.

[Pam]

Hey Sstash- see that little button that looks like a cartoon talk bubble on the tool bar? It's the quote button. Easy to use.

[cheddar bob]

I'm not trying to win an Analogy Olympics with you, or anything else for that matter. Didn't expect you to agree with or get it based on some of your posts, so no surprises there.

Don't try to win a Special Olympics with him, either. He's got you on experience.



Sstash- see that little button that looks like a cartoon talk bubble on the tool bar? It's the quote button. Easy to use.
Good luck, Pam. I tried explaining that one, but he pretty much said he wasn't smart enough to figure it out.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote "cartoon talk bubble"

Do you mean a "Cartoon Dialogue Balloon"? :) I know it's there, I don't like using it. My method is much neater and easier to read. If someone doesn't know what a quotation mark is, they probably shouldn't be reading this anyway. I actually put "Quote" in there just in case.

Bobby, nice try on the falsification and outright fabrication, you asked me this same question and got the very same reply just a few months ago. Got anything else you'd like to make up, while you're making shit up?

"Special Olympics"? On another thread, you made fun of someone's emotional affliction?

[Flanders]

Wow...yet another topic devoted to Bats??


Ccbatson as we all know all too well, is an objectivist, and he believes that his and ONLY his ideology is completely flawless, which exempts him from needing to back up his replies, especially to mere liberals, who accordingly would do well to learn and benefit from his compelling arguments and rational thought...:rolleyes:

Of course objectivists like Bats believe the US should become a completely unregulated capitalist nation, with all of it's assets, infrastructure, and resources being privately owned by individuals, businesses, and corporations, with the exception of the military and the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of federal, state, and local government, which would be led by conservatives, then it would quickly become prosperous. Regrettably, perhaps as much as a third of all US citizens not incarcerated, would be unable to share in its prosperity, once all socialist entitlements are justifiably and necessarily eliminated, due to their age, physical/mental disabilities/limitations, or due to their stubborn refusal to accept personal responsibility,by not taking advantage of all of the high paying jobs that would be created by eliminating all federal, state, and local taxes that are levied on the wealthy and businesses.

[Pam]

My method is much neater and easier to read

Not really, that's why I mentioned the button.

[LodgeDodger]

I think the truth of the content is what bothers people most.

*eye roll*

[Lorax]

Batts is just another mindless zombie of the repugnican reich.

Drank the KoolAid long ago, and has nothing of merit to offer.

His posts are pedantic, boorish, and predictable.

You might as well listen to Brush Lintball or Saracuda Failin', at least you will have a good laugh at the retarded fascism, rather than crying after Batts' posts. :(

[Big Dog]

Then why do you people respond to his posts? If no one did, he would dry up, like a pimple and be gone.

[jams]

Then why do you people respond to his posts? If no one did, he would dry up, like a pimple and be gone.
Simply,he pisses people off.

[Lorax]

Then why do you people respond to his posts? If no one did, he would dry up, like a pimple and be gone.

He's sort of like a train wreck in slow motion, irresistable to watch, and really amusing on top of it.

Like Saracuda without the dress, or maybe with it, who knows?

[cheddar bob]

Simply,he pisses people off.
Jams, if you put him on ignore he can't piss you off.

You just know that starting a thread about him gives him the attention he so desperately craves. It probably gives him a hard on about as much as naked chicks smoking cigarettes.

[cheddar bob]

And another observation...


On the old forum, Bats never started a thread. Nowadays he's regularly starting them, probably because so many people have him on ignore, he's not getting the attention he feels he deserves.

[d.mcc]

More importantly...What happened to the forum jump that was at the bottom of the page??? Now I have to scroll to the top everytime...

[Ravine]

I still do not, and will never, understand why folks allow themselves to get so worked up about Cc.
Try thinking of the whole matter this way:
Cc is like a little arsonist. He strolls into a thread, posts a one-or-two-sentence comment which he knows will start a tiny blaze going, and then sits back and watches while a whole bunch of you run up and, thanks to all of your hysterical huffing & puffing, blow a steady stream of air-gusts into the flames. In short order, the tiny blaze has grown into a raging inferno, and Cc gets to sit back, watch with amusement, and say to himself, "I did that." He steps back up, intermittently, to joust a bit with some of the crowd.
I no longer begrudge him for creating his own petty diversions. In fact, who among us can honestly say that he is not pretty good at it? Further, what is the harm? How much malice or animosity-- two emotions rather prevalent here in DY-- is expressed in his nattering little remarks?
Also, I am (once again) moved to point out that when a medical issue arises, if Cc believes that he can be of assistance or merely shed some light on the matter, he completely drops the Snarkosaurus Rex schtick and posts whatever information he has at his disposal, as well as offering suggestions and conveying his best wishes.
There are some total jackasses in this forum, but Cc is not one of them.
Ah, but I keep forgetting: This is America, so if I strongly disagree with you, it follows that you are a Bad Person.

[firstandten]

I still do not, and will never, understand why folks allow themselves to get so worked up about Cc.
Try thinking of the whole matter this way:
Cc is like a little arsonist. He strolls into a thread, posts a one-or-two-sentence comment which he knows will start a tiny blaze going, and then sits back and watches while a whole bunch of you run up and, thanks to all of your hysterical huffing & puffing, blow a steady stream of air-gusts into the flames. In short order, the tiny blaze has grown into a raging inferno, and Cc gets to sit back, watch with amusement, and say to himself, "I did that." He steps back up, intermittently, to joust a bit with some of the crowd.
I no longer begrudge him for creating his own petty diversions. In fact, who among us can honestly say that he is not pretty good at it? Further, what is the harm? How much malice or animosity-- two emotions rather prevalent here in DY-- is expressed in his nattering little remarks?
Also, I am (once again) moved to point out that when a medical issue arises, if Cc believes that he can be of assistance or merely shed some light on the matter, he completely drops the Snarkosaurus Rex schtick and posts whatever information he has at his disposal, as well as offering suggestions and conveying his best wishes.
There are some total jackasses in this forum, but Cc is not one of them.
Ah, but I keep forgetting: This is America, so if I strongly disagree with you, it follows that you are a Bad Person.
Great post ! I have notice that his posts have been getting a little lengthy lately

[Pam]

Further, what is the harm?

No harm if you like trolls. Most people don't.


How much malice or animosity-- two emotions rather prevalent here in DY-- is expressed in his nattering little remarks?

It's the arrogant smugness that sets people off, though the repeated implications that "libs" are all stupid and brainwashed isn't exactly warm and fuzzy.

[detmich]

Maybe CC just hits a nerve, sometimes the truth hurts.

[Lorax]

Maybe CC just hits a nerve, sometimes the truth hurts.

He certainly hits a nerve, my last good one.

However, the truth, as he sees it, has nothing to do with it.

It's just amazing given all the evidence that any and all things right wing are a failure, and doomed to the ash can of history, he keeps flogging the dead pony.

He fancies himself as another Don Quixote.

[Bigb23]

Boy - this is an interesting dialog. At least Cc has invoked a dynamic thread for better or worse.

[rb336]

from Merriam Webster online:

Delusion (http://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&ai=CFM6Dj30uSrWmCOWZngeNyoneBaKL-l2-_LKJBKSq2DMQASCS0qoGUJ37wewHYMn-rYmQpOgPyAEBqgQTT9AYhOp5zoKykBvl-zdKT1tjAg&num=1&sig=AGiWqtw5Wg1nK7o2PErvGX1Fztu7DOknMQ&q=http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/delusional-disorder%3Futm_medium%3Dgoogle%26utm_source%3Dz_ha llucinations-delusions%26utm_campaign%3Dgale%26utm_term%3Ddelus ion)



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from merriam-webster online medical:

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[detmich]

He fancies himself as another Don Quixote.

That is way emergent, so Escher- he fancies himself to be an imaginary guy that he is not who also fancies himself to be an imaginary guy that he is not. wild.

http://www.headwaysoftware.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/chris.headwaysoftware.com/photos/uncategorized/hands.jpg

[Ravine]

No harm if you like trolls. Most people don't.



It's the arrogant smugness that sets people off, though the repeated implications that "libs" are all stupid and brainwashed isn't exactly warm and fuzzy.

OK, I'll buy that. Nobody likes smugness. But, it runs through this forum like Woodward used to run through downtown, and it turns me off strongly enough that I don't come around here much, any more. But it doesn't hurt.
As for the latter matter, well, doesn't the "other side" freely & repeatedly imply that "cons" and "republicrites" are all full of hate, get all of their thoughts from right-wing radio hosts, and are just a hair's-breadth away from goose-stepping?
Of course, the fact that both sides behave that way doesn't make it OK that either side behaves that way. It's like, y'know, so third-grade.
But, that characteristic sure as hell doesn't make Cc stand out from this crowd.

[Bigb23]

How many of us on here considers themselves middle-of-the road ? It seems the most vocal posters are far to the right (or left), of center.

[firstandten]

How many of us on here considers themselves middle-of-the road ? It seems the most vocal posters are far to the right (or left), of center.
I think most of us are to the left or right of center. Also some libertarians on here as well. Those folks generally provide links to reputable sources to back there arguments. The RW generally don't provide links to anything worthwhile just repeat talking points and doctored and/or taken out of context you tube videos.

[rb336]

i'm a radical pragmatist -- if something works to benefit the larger number of people, good. if it benefits a small number at the expense of many, bad

[Flanders]

How many of us on here considers themselves middle-of-the road ? It seems the most vocal posters are far to the right (or left), of center.

The RW considers anyone who is opposed to free trade to be a liberal, (I support fair trade) Defense (I consider pre-emptive attacks, undeclared wars and occupations to be wrong) The war on terror (I consider Islamic extremists to have the same agenda as RW extremists, that being each others genocide) Unfettered capitalism (I consider monopolistic global corporate capitalism needing strict government regulation) Tax cuts for the wealthy and big business (I believe tax cuts no longer create jobs that will remain or even begin here in the US, due to the global economy, but am in favor of temporary tax cuts and incentives/support to small US based businesses) Abortion (I am opposed to abortion, but do not believe that I have the right to force my opposition to it upon anyone else) Entitlements (I believe that any able-bodied adult receiving welfare should be required to earn at least some of it through community service work, until they find employment, otherwise SS, SSD, SSI, Medicare, and Medicaid should be supported and continue) Health care ( I believe that affordable, quality health care is every US citizens' RIGHT, and not a privilege. Gay marriage (I am in favor of legal same sex unions)

If the above makes me a leftist socialist, then that is what I am.

[rb336]

There has never been an instance where tax cuts for the wealthiest can be tied to job growth. The opposite, however, can be seen just by looking at the US economy after Reagan's tax cuts

[ccbatson]

Flanders, all of your premises are wrong.

1. True fair trade is free trade.
2. Pre-emptive attacks? We have made none. It happens that certain circumstances, ongoing nonmilitary attacks on our interests/freedom could warrant pre-emptive military attacks.
3. Desiring to defeat terrorists who commit acts of war against us (first) is not genocide.
4. True capitalism happily includes the possibility of monopolies based on superior performance, but always subject to competition at such time that a competitor can make a viable challenge. What is criminal is coercive government/state sponsored monopolies.
5. Tax cuts are only necessary when government over steps its' constitutional and democratically ratified boundaries. Taxes are supposed to be voluntary in exchange for services that only a government can provide.
6. Abortion is killing a potential human life (that is why you oppose it). Imposing your will? Than murder should also be legalized. It is a matter of legal deception whereby potential human life is relegated to the status of nonviable tissue masses (their words, not mine).
7. Able bodied adults do not need welfare. Providing it is a self fulfilling prophecy discouraging achievement.
8. Health care is no more a right that others should supply than is food or shelter. That said, we find a way to provide our own necessities when it is not provided for us. In the process of this market based approach, costs are controlled and quality is high.
9. Gay marriage is fine so long as it is not an expansion of entitlement benefits. What a person does in their private life, so long as it is legal (ie, doesn't harm, or infringe on anyone else's rights), is nobody else's business.

So, if you correct your premises, and then weigh in on the side of these liberal ideologies, also realizing that this is the road to collectivism/socialism/marxism....a miserable state of being, then yes, at that point, you would sadly be considered a leftist/socialist.

[Lorax]

That is way emergent, so Escher- he fancies himself to be an imaginary guy that he is not who also fancies himself to be an imaginary guy that he is not. wild.

http://www.headwaysoftware.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/chris.headwaysoftware.com/photos/uncategorized/hands.jpg

Just add a mirror, and stir.

[Lorax]

Flanders, all of your premises are wrong.

1. True fair trade is free trade.
2. Pre-emptive attacks? We have made none. It happens that certain circumstances, ongoing nonmilitary attacks on our interests/freedom could warrant pre-emptive military attacks.
3. Desiring to defeat terrorists who commit acts of war against us (first) is not genocide.
4. True capitalism happily includes the possibility of monopolies based on superior performance, but always subject to competition at such time that a competitor can make a viable challenge. What is criminal is coercive government/state sponsored monopolies.
5. Tax cuts are only necessary when government over steps its' constitutional and democratically ratified boundaries. Taxes are supposed to be voluntary in exchange for services that only a government can provide.
6. Abortion is killing a potential human life (that is why you oppose it). Imposing your will? Than murder should also be legalized. It is a matter of legal deception whereby potential human life is relegated to the status of nonviable tissue masses (their words, not mine).
7. Able bodied adults do not need welfare. Providing it is a self fulfilling prophecy discouraging achievement.
8. Health care is no more a right that others should supply than is food or shelter. That said, we find a way to provide our own necessities when it is not provided for us. In the process of this market based approach, costs are controlled and quality is high.
9. Gay marriage is fine so long as it is not an expansion of entitlement benefits. What a person does in their private life, so long as it is legal (ie, doesn't harm, or infringe on anyone else's rights), is nobody else's business.

So, if you correct your premises, and then weigh in on the side of these liberal ideologies, also realizing that this is the road to collectivism/socialism/marxism....a miserable state of being, then yes, at that point, you would sadly be considered a leftist/socialist.

Back at ya, Batts, wrong again on so many levels, where does one begin?

1. Free trade has NEVER been fair trade. Nafta and Cafta have been disasters for America. Tarrif based economies are best, and we should have preserved our manufacturing base by raising tarrifs on imports of all kinds which compete with American industry, as we had done for decades before Regan destroyed it.

2. Iraq was a pre-emptive war of choice, for oil. There is no further discussion on this.

3. It is genocide to kill any group of people without declaring war.
4. What is criminal, as we are living through now, is lack of government regulation on capital markets. What we get is the collapse of our economy, which is yet another topic where there is no further discussion.

5. Taxes are mandatory, last time I checked. What is criminal is corporate welfare, and the allowance by repugnican controlled congresses and white houses of off-shore tax evasion havens for American corporations wishing to not pay taxes.
6. Abortion is legal. It is medically necessary in nearly all cases to save the life of the mother. Late term abortions are never done lightly, and are almost always due to medical complications. No one is pro-abortion, only pro-abortion rights, this the right wing loves to stir the pot with heavy handed rhetoric, which has resulted in them losing this culture war. Why, tell me, with a republican christian fundamentalist in the white house, and a majority republican congress and majority right wing supreme court wasn't Roe v. Wade overturned in six years? They don't want to because having Roe out there as a boogey man gets more votes than not having it. It's the gift that keeps on giving, which only proves Repugnicans are hypocrites, if they so strongly believed in overturning Roe, they would have done it by now.

7. And who determines who's able bodied? Able minded? What if you were able to work, but had to care for elderly parents, because your crappy private health insurance wouldn't pay for home health care? Or a nursing home? Get a grip.

8. Health in a civilized society is a birthright. That is the case in all industrialized nations except America. Cradle to grave health care, quality care, is the norm for Europe, and in many parts of the far east, and South America. If you don't have a healthy workforce, you have less capitalism. Why wouldn't such red-blooded capitalists be in favor of the government providing health care? They would lose their argument that legacy costs were killing their productivity, that's why. Without the boogey man of built-in health care and retiree costs, corporations would have to go searching for another excuse to crap on their workers.

9. Gay marriage- here we have some agreement. Constitutionally there is no argument against it. Legally there is no argument against it. As long as all legal rights bestowed a straight married couple are extended to gay couples, then we have a level playing field. And they have to be recognized as having equal rights in all states as well. Wills, taxation, tax benefits, inheritance, medical decisions, all inclusive.

You say your screed emphasizes "liberal" ideals- what kind of joke is that? Nothing you mentioned could be termed liberal. You need a crash course in humanism.

[Sstashmoo]

""2. Iraq was a pre-emptive war of choice, for oil. There is no further discussion on this.
Please quote some legit sources for this.""

That's just the problem, there are no credible sources for any truthful information regarding our invasion of Iraq. Cite one, and please no lies from the Bush administration. We're there, 100k have died and nobody knows why. Inexcusable.

[1KielsonDrive]

Has anyone ever met the real Cc Bats? I think of Cc as a he/she/it thingy out there in the ethernet just grinning away and shining people on. We've never seen or met he/she/it, correct? Please don't let me down and say that Cc is for real.

[Sstashmoo]

Quote: "You have no proof "

The truth will eventually come out though. 6 Year military operation, A few trillion wasted, the reason will eventually surface.

[Flanders]

Has anyone ever met the real Cc Bats? I think of Cc as a he/she/it thingy out there in the ethernet just grinning away and shining people on. We've never seen or met he/she/it, correct? Please don't let me down and say that Cc is for real.

His profile had his picture on it for a day or two before he made it private.

Sorry for letting you down, 1KD...;)

[rb336]

Like it or not you have no proof besides far left talkers and conspiracy experts. Stop being a left wing sheep and look at both sides. Besides the state that you live in has its senate controlled by the right. Like it or not.

there is plenty of proof that the war in Iraq was a war of choice, and a pre-emptive war as well. Hell, even the bushies actually acknowledged that from the start

[ccbatson]

I never had my picture up....remember, others were playing with things when my identity was stolen.

Anyway...yea, I am real, and I am a very straight talker...what you see is what you get.

[Detroitej72]

You prove my point. Stop acting like a left wing sheep and blaming things on Oil and other random BS people like Ed Schultz spew. You have no proof so don't try to use something like this as leverage.

How is that any different than ditto heads parroting BS talking points from Rush, Hannity, Ingrim, and the rest of the right?

[Lorax]

Geez, what short memories the fascist right has, here's some proof that Iraq was a war for oil.

What are the only stable, protected areas in Iraq?

The oil fields.

Who's protecting them? We are.

The organization of Bush cronies who are in control of oil refining, shipping and distribution, namely Halliburton and Bechtel, and with assistance from oil companies such as BP, Shell, Exxon, Unocal etc, purposely saw to it that the oil and natural gas pipelines being built through Afghanistan were disrupted long enough to start this war in Iraq.

Big oil prefers shipping from Iraq, and saw an opportunity in chaos created by the invasion to steal the oil.

www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp (http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp)

It'a amazing to me when the evidence is all around you, many still don't want to believe oil had something to do with our invasion of Iraq. There was no other reason. Period.

Not national security, not WMD, not bringing "democracy" to Iraq, not because terrorists flooded into Iraq only after we invaded, and not because Saddam was a bad guy.

All of these revolving reasons were smokescreen, and not very convincing smokescreen to confuse the American electorate into believing a lie.

Seemingly only the KoolAid drinking right wingnuts were eating up the lies offered by the Tushies.

If you care to do the research, I remember seeing Bush on the TV mentioning how we'll benefit from lower oil prices as a result of getting control of the oil fields in Iraq.

Cheney was former head of Halliburton, which received the no-bid contracts to pump, refine, and ship the oil. Already a violation of war profiteering laws. But, as we know, the Tushies never let a law get in the way of a good rape or pillage.

Halliburton eventually moved it's HQ from Texas to Dubai to avoid having to pay US taxes, and to avoid any lawsuits that may result from 8 years of sucking dry the oil fields of Iraq on behalf of the Bush Administration.

They are now an entity of the UAE, and are immune from prosecution, it's executives immune to prosecution in US courts.

And this is OK with conservatives who are about as unAmerican as it gets.

[ccbatson]

I, for one, never denied that oil is critical to our interests in the Middle East. Why? Umm, because it is??

[Lorax]

I, for one, never denied that oil is critical to our interests in the Middle East. Why? Umm, because it is??

I'm proud of you- finally, an admission of truth.

[ccbatson]

Finally? How about always?

[Lorax]

Finally? How about always?

How about rarely.

You're stepping way up in class.

[ccbatson]

Check my posts on that subject....in every instance, I have clearly pointed out that oil is/was a vital interest of ours and crucial to our decisions as to what actions to take and when.

[Lorax]

Check my posts on that subject....in every instance, I have clearly pointed out that oil is/was a vital interest of ours and crucial to our decisions as to what actions to take and when.

Gotta love the proverbial backpedal.

Is it difficult to do a drive-by in reverse?

[mjs]

I have to protect ccbatson on this one. The guy always admits his underlying belief that supporting US corporate interest will result in what is best for the country. Because he also believes that there were terrorist bases in Iraq, doesn't mean he disclaims the first claim.

Some argue that if the Middle East didn't have oil, we wouldn't be there and as a result, there would be no islamic terrorists. I believe a more realistic scenario would be that there would be plenty of terrorists, but since the victims aren't American, as usual, we wouldn't give a crap. You know, Somalia, Rwanda, and Afghanistan from the fall of the USSR until 9/11.

All atrocities for the UN to handle. I wish we handled less on our own and more through the UN. Especially if we made a veto power require the vote of two permanent UN nations rather than one. Then when other countries complain about an international situation and say America should do more, we can point out they have less GDP going to the UN and less manpower as a percent of population and legitimately tell them to go fuck off.

[Bigb23]

I wish the previous administration didn't tell the UN to go take a hike so we wouldn't be in the Federal financial straits we're in now.


The case examines the decision that led to President Bush's historic speech to the United Nations Security Council on September 12, 2002, challenging members to act decisively with the United States to end Iraq's weapons of mass destruction threat. The case brings into focus many of the central foreign policy issues and debates surrounding the march to war against Iraq, as well as far broader questions concerning U.S. foreign policy and international relations. The decision reflected the interplay of many different personal, political, and international pressures, including the president's own strong predispositions, ideological wars between Americanists and the old guard foreign policy elite, bureaucratic infighting, and the powerful domestic imperatives of Tony Blair—a trusted friend of the president and the United States' closest ally on the Iraq question. The A case will concentrate on the events of the six weeks leading up to the President's decisive meeting with Prime Minister Blair just prior to the UN address. Relevant historical and other backgound will be included. The B case will reveal the president's decision as it was manifest in the September 12 speech, and will lay out the consequences of that decision as they have played out through the end of the war on Iraq. A teaching note will provide a teaching plan as and suggested discussion questions and analysis of the decision. The case is rich in insights at the individual, unit and international levels of IR theory.



http://www.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/0/7/2/2/6/p72260_index.html

[mjs]

Oh, I hear ya.

[Lorax]

I have to protect ccbatson on this one. The guy always admits his underlying belief that supporting US corporate interest will result in what is best for the country. Because he also believes that there were terrorist bases in Iraq, doesn't mean he disclaims the first claim.

Some argue that if the Middle East didn't have oil, we wouldn't be there and as a result, there would be no islamic terrorists. I believe a more realistic scenario would be that there would be plenty of terrorists, but since the victims aren't American, as usual, we wouldn't give a crap. You know, Somalia, Rwanda, and Afghanistan from the fall of the USSR until 9/11.

All atrocities for the UN to handle. I wish we handled less on our own and more through the UN. Especially if we made a veto power require the vote of two permanent UN nations rather than one. Then when other countries complain about an international situation and say America should do more, we can point out they have less GDP going to the UN and less manpower as a percent of population and legitimately tell them to go fuck off.

All true, but as an aside, we would have little or no interest in the middle east without the oil. It would have about as much strategic interest to us as Tahiti does.

In any event, the UN situation you got right on all levels.

[ccbatson]

Backpedaling to point out that 100 percent of the time and on numerous occasions I have expressed this position?

[Lorax]

Backpedaling to point out that 100 percent of the time and on numerous occasions I have expressed this position?

It must be so thrilling to have your own thread!

If this were a Progressive Insurance ad, you'd have your own aisle- the Batboy Aisle. :eek:

Not to worry, no one's interested in shopping in your aisle.

[ccbatson]

And who started said thread? Not I.

[Lorax]

True, but it's all about you! Thrilling!

[East Detroit]

Not to worry, no one's interested in shopping in your aisle.

You seem pretty interested.

[ccbatson]

Another admission of error from Lorax? There may be hope for him yet.

[Lorax]

Another admission of error from Lorax? There may be hope for him yet.

What admission? Hello? Anyone home? Guess not.

Yes, folks, the Batts' left the belfry. :eek:

[1KielsonDrive]

Ignore him/her/it if you like. Respond to him/her/it if you like. Comment if you like. Whatever. I don't pay attention to him/her/it about 99.99% of the time. I get a kick out of how he/she/it get's all riled up and manic when he/she/it's name is mentioned. Boom, boom, boom - posting frenzy.

[Omaha]

I hate to add to this thread, thereby stoking Cc’s ego, but here’s my two cents worth.

Gee, the thought that Cc is a self-absorbed, delusional, troll/arsonist appears to be a strongly held position by some DY posters. :mad: I’ll just bet if you keep your descriptive analysis up, one of two things will happen: either Cc will wilt under the pressure of carefully targeted criticism and re-evaluate his world view thereby depriving DY forum readers of his “wit and wisdom,” OR he will view the negative feedback as ego-stroking which will stimulate him to continue dropping his pearls of wisdom extolling free market solutions to social and economic problems of every stripe and color.

He has a strong belief that if everyone just engaged in a “me-first” self-directed form of engaging the world, all would be well because “markets are self-correcting.” So don’t let his distaste for all things liberal (as he defines the term) get under your skin. It won’t do your blood pressure any good (Lorax). Sure you may get mad at him as you would an unruly child who just believes that NIN is the best musical group ever, and who wants to convince everyone else of that truth. :p But he is no more than that…an unruly child with access to the internet. :)

So everyone take a chill pill. Don’t let his rantings get to you. Do what I do…when I read his pearls of wisdom, I become amused by how like the NIN fan I mentioned above he is, and his words are magically turned into “blah, blah, blah.” Oh sure, I occasionally respond to a post of his, but I do it with the kind of ironic insight that baffles readers of the right and left alike.

So ignore Cc or don’t. Either way, it won’t change what he posts. But carefully scrutinize mine. Why? Because I am not a devoted follower of false profits like Ayn Rand, rather, I am a devotee of the great and powerful Stephen Colbert. :D

[Detroitej72]

Omaha, your posts are truly refreshing, keep them coming.:)

Bats has some good points, many way out of right field, but he is entertaining, to say the least. His opinions are a good counter balance to the non Detroit board and I, for one, would feel a void if he ever stopped posting here.

[gnome]

total thread jack alert

"palin/mcain ... the morning after"

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[alsodave]

http://www.blurb.com/books/407054

Thanks for sharing!

Back to the thread (or not...)

[ccbatson]

NIN? I am not sure I know which songs are theirs, let alone whether I am a fan. I know that I haven't purchased any of their stuff (but that doesn't mean that I dislike them, they just haven't come up on my radar).

Anyway, intended or not, the attention given to me here is flattering, sometimes in a twisted way, and thanks anyway.

[LodgeDodger]

My question for Bats is, how are your interpersonal relationships at work? Do you get along with others? How about in your personal life? Of course, you could tell me to f*** off, but that wouldn't be any fun.

I work with a guy with your similar views.

[rb336]

watch his posting habits. every other weekend, he seems to barely post at all, then the next it's all over the place

[jams]

Anyway, intended or not, the attention given to me here is flattering, sometimes in a twisted way, and thanks anyway.

While, I do respond to him on a few threads, for the most part, I've come to ignore most of his tripe and predictible responses to anything other than his own view.

Count it as a win, if you wish, Cc, but you've just become tedious.

[ccbatson]

A few? how many of your 174?

[Bigb23]

Count it as a win, if you wish, Cc, but you've just become tedious.

Damn jams, you made me open up another of his redundant replies. (Same ol' same ol').

[jams]

A few? how many of your 174?
Amuse yourself, count them and get back to me with the results.

[ccbatson]

I count what I consider to be more than a few...ignore feature not quite up to scratch for you I see.

[jams]

I count what I consider to be more than a few...ignore feature not quite up to scratch for you I see.

Simple, do the math 1700 posts for you, 178 for me, 90% of the time you offer nothing to respond to, except your ego. I do not use the ignore feaure, I just ignore your simple-minded responses to complex questions.

Find gardening tedious, do you? At least, the posters there enjoy sharing real information that is of value.

Collect your "win", move on and try to understand most of the world is not unilateral.

[ccbatson]

Of the 178, more than a few are dedicated to engaging me...that was your, and my (in response), point, wasn't it?

[ccbatson]

Oops, you just added 2 more (soon to be 3, I reckon)

[jams]

Not getting enough attention?

[ccbatson]

Bingo...there is the 3rd. Too predictable.

[jams]

Whoohooo, one of the few times you were right, ....err, I mean correct.

[ccbatson]

OK, one last time for fun...I count 2 more, for a total of 5 now. Point made, no need to keep a running count anymore and moving on.